What do TFES think of this video?

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What do TFES think of this video?
« on: June 22, 2014, 10:00:58 AM »
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Ignoring number one of course, we know that number one has already been answered by you guys.



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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 01:55:21 PM »
Those answers are feeble.

2. Time zones aren't a circle or even an ellipse of light. See my avatar for the areas that are sunlit some time in May/June.

3. The Coriolis effect is used even by amateur marksmen to make accurate shots past about 800m. Not to mention it's an uncontentious part of any and all calculations in professions which deal with ballistics or very precise measurements of any forces. Unless they're all in on The Conspiracy, of course.

4. Triangles aren't only conjecture, clearly:

if Aberdeen is due north of Almeria and Aalborg is due north of Tunis, the way all maps, compasses and journeys agree they are then there's got to be some reason that the north pair are 700km apart and the south pair 1100km. Either, the earth is flat and the only route people have ever taken between them is curved and nobody has ever realised that there's a shorter one, or the earth is a sphere.

6. How would a flat disc ever let you see one half of a rotating sphere from the centre, the bottom half directly overhead no matter where you are on the rim and a corresponding part of the self same unchanging sphere depending on where you're stood anywhere else?

I'm out of time and I'm losing the will to live but suffice to say that while the FE enthusiasts are happy to ignore all those problems, they remain problems. If you want to discuss any of them in particular, I'd start a thread for it and keep it focused. If you pile a bunch of serious problems in at once, people will find the easiest one to rationalise, rationalise it to their own satisfaction and bail on the whole thread.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 11:42:52 AM »

No. 7 is gonna be the most difficult (if not impossible) for the flat earthers to dispute.  A triangle with three 90º vertices.  It's impossible to construct this figure on a flat plane, but this video shows it on a sphere—right before our eyes.

Go for it flat earthers.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 11:49:01 AM »
A triangle with three 90º vertices.  It's impossible to construct this figure on a flat plane, but this video shows it on a sphere—right before our eyes.
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 11:56:49 AM »
Ultimately it all falls under maps in general. We have maps and they don't work on a flat earth. The reasons are many but the fact is the angles and distances are right for a round earth but they won't add up if they're on a plane.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 12:00:21 PM »
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?

Uh... you don't actually "construct" it physically on the surface of the earth.  You fly due south from the north pole to the equator, take a 90º to the right, keep flying west along the equator for 10,019km, then take a 90º to the right again, keep flying north, and you'll end up back where you started—at the north pole.



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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 12:08:44 PM »
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?

Uh... you don't actually "construct" it physically on the surface of the earth.  You fly due south from the north pole to the equator, take a 90º to the right, keep flying west along the equator for 10,019km, then take a 90º to the right again, keep flying north, and you'll end up back where you started—at the north pole.

Still, this has never been tried, nor is it likely to. Even if it had, an FE'er will just roll his eyes and say "were you there?". Not that that's anything like a real refutation, but it's good enough for them. Curiously, it's the same kind of  BS that Ken Ham teaches his creationist followers.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 01:10:17 PM »
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?

Uh... you don't actually "construct" it physically on the surface of the earth.  You fly due south from the north pole to the equator, take a 90º to the right, keep flying west along the equator for 10,019km, then take a 90º to the right again, keep flying north, and you'll end up back where you started—at the north pole.




This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 01:45:19 PM »
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?

Uh... you don't actually "construct" it physically on the surface of the earth.  You fly due south from the north pole to the equator, take a 90º to the right, keep flying west along the equator for 10,019km, then take a 90º to the right again, keep flying north, and you'll end up back where you started—at the north pole.




This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.
Indeed. Perhaps one of you round Earthers can try it, to find yourselves 10,019 km from your starting point.


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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 03:49:26 PM »
To see and recognize that she's flat..   ;D

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 05:27:33 PM »
To be fair, it's pretty tough to construct a triangle that large on a round earth as well.  After all, do you have a ball of string that will reach from the north pole to the equator?

Uh... you don't actually "construct" it physically on the surface of the earth.  You fly due south from the north pole to the equator, take a 90º to the right, keep flying west along the equator for 10,019km, then take a 90º to the right again, keep flying north, and you'll end up back where you started—at the north pole.




This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.

Interesting that you say that when Rowbotham addresses it as real phenomenon in EnaG, as spherical excess. He says that triangles with vertices that indicate spherical geometry at work can be observed through regular surveying techniques and tries to dismiss it as a collimation error. You can find a robust rebuttal of this view by Kendricks on this site.

It would seem that peers on both sides of the question disagree with you.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 07:32:50 PM »
So Parallax accepted that you could make accurate measurements of stuff? I guess people always think that humanity will eventually find whatever it is they believe in, I mean: it's true! How could we not find it? It's only when we look and it turns out not to be there that they decide the fault must be with the instruments.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 09:48:41 PM »

This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.

Firstly jroa, you cannot say that it's never been done.  You don't know.  Again, you're only guessing.

If you're unable to visualise the extremely simple geometry involved with this conceptualisation of mine at a real-earth scale, then I can only assume your knowledge of mathematics is fairly basic.  Even high-school kids can grasp the concept.

At least you've admitted that were the earth a big ball, then this would be possible.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 06:23:06 AM »

This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.

Firstly jroa, you cannot say that it's never been done.  You don't know.  Again, you're only guessing.

If you're unable to visualise the extremely simple geometry involved with this conceptualisation of mine at a real-earth scale, then I can only assume your knowledge of mathematics is fairly basic.  Even high-school kids can grasp the concept.

At least you've admitted that were the earth a big ball, then this would be possible.


If this experiment has been done, then please provide us some credible evidence.  Otherwise, please admit that this is just a thought experiment. 

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 06:30:53 AM »
The experiment isn't a single huge practical event with protractors and a lot of taut string. It's the fact that in the simplest example possible: the shortest distance between two points on the equator is to follow the equator, whereas on a flat earth you could cut across in a straight line to the north.

In a general sense, the world is mapped and that map is a sphere. It isn't possible to make that mistake by accident, nor to sustain it as a lie while people are using your maps.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 07:36:20 AM »

This is a hypothetical situation.  It has never been done, and is only a thought experiment.  Yes, if the Earth was a big ball, then this would be possible, but it has never been done.

Firstly jroa, you cannot say that it's never been done.  You don't know.  Again, you're only guessing.

If you're unable to visualise the extremely simple geometry involved with this conceptualisation of mine at a real-earth scale, then I can only assume your knowledge of mathematics is fairly basic.  Even high-school kids can grasp the concept.

At least you've admitted that were the earth a big ball, then this would be possible.


If this experiment has been done, then please provide us some credible evidence.  Otherwise, please admit that this is just a thought experiment.

Jroa, according to the FE champion S. Rowbotham, spherical excess, as he called it, was a common phenomenon measured by English surveyors using a theodolite.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 06:08:21 PM »
 I have seen the triangle drawn on a big white ball at Perth Scitec.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 06:19:41 PM »
I have seen the triangle drawn on a big white ball at Perth Scitec.
Your point is...?


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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2014, 01:01:12 AM »
I have seen the triangle drawn on a big white ball at Perth Scitec.
Your point is...?

The "point" is that it doesn't matter whether you draw this Riemannian triangle on a golf ball, or a soccer ball, the moon, or the earth—they all confirm the fact that one can construct a triangle with 3x 90º vertices.

Although I'm beginning to wonder if some flat earthers actually believe a soccer "ball" is in reality shaped more like a Frisbee...   ;D


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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2014, 11:42:19 AM »
I have seen the triangle drawn on a big white ball at Perth Scitec.
Your point is...?

The "point" is that it doesn't matter whether you draw this Riemannian triangle on a golf ball, or a soccer ball, the moon, or the earth—they all confirm the fact that one can construct a triangle with 3x 90º vertices.

Although I'm beginning to wonder if some flat earthers actually believe a soccer "ball" is in reality shaped more like a Frisbee...   ;D
I mean what's the point relative to the Earth's supposed roundness?
As in, what was this meant to illustrate or prove?
I can draw three 90 degree angles on a Frisbee, but it won't be a triangle...
So the Earth is flat, right?


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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2014, 12:38:58 PM »
You are not even making sense anymore.  You used to be a much more substantial troll.  This is a sad day.
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2014, 06:34:26 PM »
You are not even making sense anymore.  You used to be a much more substantial troll.  This is a sad day.
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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2014, 07:49:02 PM »
I'm not a troll.
Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2014, 10:17:02 PM »
I'm not a troll.
Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?
Look in the mirror.


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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2014, 02:33:39 AM »
You are not even making sense anymore.  You used to be a much more substantial troll.  This is a sad day.

It's all about trolling.  FE'ers do not truly believe the earth is flat.  They just have nothing better to do than to argue about it all day and all night.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2014, 03:23:39 AM »
Are you saying that you have nothing better to do than argue the shape of the Earth?

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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2014, 03:45:50 AM »
Are you saying that you have nothing better to do than argue the shape of the Earth?

Yes.

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Re: What do TFES think of this video?
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 06:42:23 AM »
Are you saying that you have nothing better to do than argue the shape of the Earth?
I suppose that would depend on your definition of "argue".
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