NASA to launch a telescope made out of lego's.

I don't think Rottingroom can be trusted from now on. He clearly put up a topic claiming NASA are to launch a telescope made of lego, now he's making out it was a joke.

It's clearly a joke but NASA does this kind of thing on a regular basis. It's no different to the inflatable segments they claim are going to add to the ISS. lol

Don;t be at all surprised if they really do tell us that they created a lego telescope, because they are so blatant now, it's almost like they want to see how far they can go with the sheep, who will, (as per normal) stand back in amazement. 

I cannot be trusted in conspiracy topics. I think they are ridiculous. So I have no problem making a mockery of them.  The premise of them is a claim that everything is doctored and manipulated to such an extent that even though nobody can detect or prove that they are, it can't be proven because of the conspiracy is so deviously sophisticated. How is there supposed to be any discourse in a topic where the premise is that evidence itself is ruled out?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 22, 2014, 04:50:43 AM

I don't think Rottingroom can be trusted from now on. He clearly put up a topic claiming NASA are to launch a telescope made of lego, now he's making out it was a joke.

It's clearly a joke but NASA does this kind of thing on a regular basis. It's no different to the inflatable segments they claim are going to add to the ISS. lol

Don;t be at all surprised if they really do tell us that they created a lego telescope, because they are so blatant now, it's almost like they want to see how far they can go with the sheep, who will, (as per normal) stand back in amazement. 

I cannot be trusted in conspiracy topics. I think they are ridiculous. The premise of them is a claim that everything is doctored and manipulated to such an extent that even though nobody can detect or prove that they are, it can't be proven because of the conspiracy is so deviously sophisticated. How is there supposed to be any discourse in a topic where the premise is that evidence itself is ruled out?

The evidence of a lot of the blatant hoaxing is constantly punching you in the stomach and smacking you in the face with boxer like precision.
The problem is, when you are numb from the head down, it's only natural that you are not going to feel any of this, so there's no problems as far as you're concerned, it's all above board. Everything is in our best interests and we are never, ever duped or lied to.

Personally I'd like to say I don't believe a word that you miss every single piece of evidence...but to be fair, I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people that display the very same thoughts as you. Not because they know what the truth is, it's because they simply say, " why would they do that?"
When asked how they know everything is above board, they say, " well it's been on the news, it's in the papers and it's documented in videos as well as documentaries."

What chance do these people have of waking up? I'd say a small chance, maybe no chance. The thing is, I can accept the average Joe just going with the flow, because they haven't took the time to look at stuff with a critical eye.
I can excuse those who don't want to look foolish among their peers.
I can excuse those who don't want to admit to anything being out of hand because they simply don't want to be labelled as a conspiracy theorist, because that implies a person is mentally disturbed by the wider public, who are conditioned to believe that.

You can carry on being in denial of what's in your face in many issues and it's fine. Whether you believe what you're saying is another matter. i can only guess that you maybe don't but will never admit it for reasons known to yourself. Job maybe.

The thing is, you came to a flat Earth forum to simply scream that the Earth is a ball. Why?
You also pipe in against people who see things wrong with a whole host of stuff that's told to us. Why?

If your life is so good and everything is run how they tell you, then why aren't you just enjoying it and keeping away from sites like this, because they are all conspiracy sites to the wider publics' perception.

If I thought like you I would be nowhere near any site like this. I certainly wouldn't sign up to one. I may read it for a chuckle, so what's your reasons for it?

Quote from: rottingroom on June 22, 2014, 05:49:55 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 22, 2014, 04:50:43 AM

I don't think Rottingroom can be trusted from now on. He clearly put up a topic claiming NASA are to launch a telescope made of lego, now he's making out it was a joke.

It's clearly a joke but NASA does this kind of thing on a regular basis. It's no different to the inflatable segments they claim are going to add to the ISS. lol

Don;t be at all surprised if they really do tell us that they created a lego telescope, because they are so blatant now, it's almost like they want to see how far they can go with the sheep, who will, (as per normal) stand back in amazement. 

I cannot be trusted in conspiracy topics. I think they are ridiculous. The premise of them is a claim that everything is doctored and manipulated to such an extent that even though nobody can detect or prove that they are, it can't be proven because of the conspiracy is so deviously sophisticated. How is there supposed to be any discourse in a topic where the premise is that evidence itself is ruled out?

The evidence of a lot of the blatant hoaxing is constantly punching you in the stomach and smacking you in the face with boxer like precision.
The problem is, when you are numb from the head down, it's only natural that you are not going to feel any of this, so there's no problems as far as you're concerned, it's all above board. Everything is in our best interests and we are never, ever duped or lied to.

Personally I'd like to say I don't believe a word that you miss every single piece of evidence...but to be fair, I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people that display the very same thoughts as you. Not because they know what the truth is, it's because they simply say, " why would they do that?"
When asked how they know everything is above board, they say, " well it's been on the news, it's in the papers and it's documented in videos as well as documentaries."

What chance do these people have of waking up? I'd say a small chance, maybe no chance. The thing is, I can accept the average Joe just going with the flow, because they haven't took the time to look at stuff with a critical eye.
I can excuse those who don't want to look foolish among their peers.
I can excuse those who don't want to admit to anything being out of hand because they simply don't want to be labelled as a conspiracy theorist, because that implies a person is mentally disturbed by the wider public, who are conditioned to believe that.

You can carry on being in denial of what's in your face in many issues and it's fine. Whether you believe what you're saying is another matter. i can only guess that you maybe don't but will never admit it for reasons known to yourself. Job maybe.

The thing is, you came to a flat Earth forum to simply scream that the Earth is a ball. Why?
You also pipe in against people who see things wrong with a whole host of stuff that's told to us. Why?

If your life is so good and everything is run how they tell you, then why aren't you just enjoying it and keeping away from sites like this, because they are all conspiracy sites to the wider publics' perception.

If I thought like you I would be nowhere near any site like this. I certainly wouldn't sign up to one. I may read it for a chuckle, so what's your reasons for it?

My reason for being on this site is that it is entertaining. I have told you this before. I have lot of time to kill at work, especially when I have to work on weekends.

Anyways, I wasn't saying that there is or isn't a conspiracy (although there isn't, so now I'm saying it). My point was that threads about it are pointless. You don't care about evidence and since that it is the case, you should know that NASA is in fact making a lego satellite.

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

Not at all.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 22, 2014, 06:22:35 AM

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

Not at all.

So you believe there are and has been conspiracies?

Quote from: rottingroom on June 22, 2014, 06:37:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 22, 2014, 06:22:35 AM

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

Not at all.

So you believe there are and has been conspiracies?

Of course. Conspiracies have been confirmed to happen and I would also say that conspiracies exist that we don't know about.

A conspiracy about the earths shape though? A space travel conspiracy?

I don't think so. These things can be verified independently in more ways than any sophisticated conspiracy can account for.

Yeah, real conspiracies tend to be secrets first then fall apart when they're known. Two people planning a crime is a conspiracy but one that conspiracy doesn't do too well when a hundred people witness the crime and experts get to pick over the crime scene.

People lie all the time, of course they do. People usually lie in their own interests or perhaps in the interest of people close to them or an ideology, a cause. Those lies have to be about something that other people can't check though. Classical secret societies and guilds and mystery cults all kept secrets by making it in the recruits interest to keep the secret once it had been revealed to them. Profit, peer pressure or whatever motive was appropriate.

Those secrets were usually bunk about religious matters or sometimes history, but occasionally they were something real: trade secrets. Particularly profitable methods of metalworking, glassmaking, architecture and so on. Keeping those secrets only worked because the transmission of ideas was so slow and the state of education so poor. Ie. It would be rare for anyone to independently discover these secrets the way the guild did in the first place. When they did, perhaps they were in another country, perhaps the guild found out and forced them to join. Eventually as people moved around more and communications got better, it was impossible to keep basic science a secret. That expanded until it was no longer really attempted to keep primary science secret at all. Then eventually, the idea of intellectual property and patents had to come about to allow the original creator of a work to profit from it at all, as it was now disseminated to others so quickly that it was almost worthless to the discoverer/inventor.

Trade secrets are very closely guarded today and companies put a lot of effort into the integrity of their intellectual property and the laws which protect it. And yet, they barely stay secrets at all, and in truth it's mostly the complexity of the "ideas" these days that causes such a lead-time, difficulty in acquiring expertise, cost of retooling and so on that lets the originator profit.

The idea that some vast, monolithic world-spanning group of -at least- millions of people could keep reality itself a secret through generation after generation is one of the least plausible things I can imagine.

-The sheer number of people alone who must be learning the secret on their way "in" and the number keeping it to their grave on their way "out" must be hundreds per day.
-What they're lying about is right there to check for yourself any time you like. Or for anyone anywhere to study and exploit for their own gain.
-The profit involved must be trifling between that many people, anyway. At this point, revealing the secret would be the most profitable thing to do with it. Yet nobody has...

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

If there were none there would be no need for the word.  Stop trying to twist the discussion.

And it's not 'lego's', it's 'Lego'.

Of course. Conspiracies have been confirmed to happen and I would also say that conspiracies exist that we don't know about.

So, to think like that. It makes you a conspiracy theorist. You may not be totally sceptical about too much but you know we aren't told the truth in some or even many cases, whatever the scenario, right?
Of course, we can argue percentages of how many percent of official lines does it take a person to question for them to be labelled a total crank or mentally unstable, against someone who maybe sees some stuff that needs questioning, who is termed rational enough to do that.
The point is, one persons inquisitive mind may surpass another persons, where trust is concerned. You know, you can get one person who delves deeper whilst another person will simply accept that one or two things seem dodgy, yet no need to go into detail about any other stuff.

If we can be lied to, we can be LIED to on many many issues. Finding out the real full on lies with many things is beyond most people's capabilities, physically and I'm sure you know this.
Mentally, they have many questions. Those questions can be answered by asking anyone who believes the stories that are told. The problem is, it's only a regurgitation of the info that is being questioned in the first place, told by those who bought into the info through basic third party chit chat/reading, etc.

If a stranger walked up to you and said, " your neighbour is a burglar and sells drugs" and you and your other neighbours all saw him/her as a model citizen or a pillar of society, helpful and courteous, who was giving, etc, etc, etc...you know the drill. Your reaction would be to either politely bid the gossip monger farewell or call that gossip a crank or trouble.
You may tell all your neighbours what you were told. Even telling the one accused, yet you would not think for one minute about questioning the accused, right?

Imagine 10 years down the line, you find that what the person said was absolutely true. You'd be in shock, right?
Now I'm not saying you have a neighbour like that but you know what I'm talking about. I bet you have witnessed the scenario I'm giving out, as well as many on this site will have.
Hidden in plain sight and plausible enough to carry it off.

A conspiracy about the earths shape though? A space travel conspiracy?

I don't think so. These things can be verified independently in more ways than any sophisticated conspiracy can account for.

Seriously, what can be verified? Forget about old books and what was told from times past. What can be independently verified without having the info given to you?
All you can do, is base what you know on the trust of what you are told about how things work.

If you can personally verify stuff, physically then what can you verify?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 22, 2014, 06:22:35 AM

Are you saying there is no conspiracies and never has been?

If there were none there would be no need for the word.  Stop trying to twist the discussion.

And it's not 'lego's', it's 'Lego'.

No twisting of any discussion. The fact is very simple. If you believe there are conspiracies from official lines, then it makes you a conspiracy theorist, otherwise you would not accept any theory as a conspiracy. Are you one person that sees no conspiracies in the world?

Oh and I didn't put lego's. Put your specs on.

Dude your annoying.

A conspiracy theorist is someone who makes conspiracy claims. I don't waste my time with that unless I have evidence to support the assertion.

Also, everything can be verified. How many experiments have you been shown that you haven't bothered to perform? How much math have you been shown that you refuse to even attempt to understand? You just don't want to know the truth.

If someone told me that about my neighbour, I'd ask why they thought it. If they had seen something. If they had any evidence. Could they demonstrate the fact adequately enough to involve the police. I'd wonder whether they had a personal grudge or other bias.

The choice isn't "accept what you're told without question" vs "deny everything you're told without question", the adult response is to figure out what you're being told is worth. Maybe it's worth something, maybe nothing. There are a million ways to figure out what it's worth and none of them are "call everyone in authority a liar" or "make shit up".

Dude your annoying.

A conspiracy theorist is someone who makes conspiracy claims. I don't waste my time with that unless I have evidence to support the assertion.

Also, everything can be verified. How many experiments have you been shown that you haven't bothered to perform? How much math have you been shown that you refuse to even attempt to understand? You just don't want to know the truth.

Argue it all you want. The crux of the matter is simple. If you even think there's a conspiracy, you're a conspiracy theorist. It's ok to admit it because deep down, most people are, in some way.
A conspiracy theory only requires a small inconsistency to become so. More evidence makes it a probability from a possibility.
Once you rule out coincidence, that's whan it can spiral into those two things, until it eventually becomes a conspiracy fact.

There's a reason why there's good detectives and not so good, to people who simply don't have the inquisitive mind and skills to piece together snippets of info, no matter how outlandish it may appear.
This isn't an argument between us. It's a simple fact.

The ego is a fascinating monster,,

When people operate from their ego, their behavior tends to be based on fear rather than trust.

When people behave out of fear, they have a high need to control others and their environment and they have a win-lose orientation toward everything. 

Even when discussing the weather they want to make sure you know that they know more about weather than you do.

They broadcast a philosophy about life that states “I’m okay, you’re not.”

Could it be,, that nobody knows jack shit about what is going on,,,,

well this is obviously a PR stunt. Anyone ever built a large model out of lego? it gets heavy. when rocket launches are about being as light as possible you'd be better off building your telescope out of composits.   More NASA nonsense

well this is obviously a PR stunt. Anyone ever built a large model out of lego? it gets heavy. when rocket launches are about being as light as possible you'd be better off building your telescope out of composits.   More NASA nonsense

Nonsense about what?

I don't think Rottingroom can be trusted from now on. He clearly put up a topic claiming NASA are to launch a telescope made of Lego, now he's making out it was a joke.

It's clearly a joke but NASA does this kind of thing on a regular basis. It's no different to the inflatable segments they claim are going to add to the ISS. lol

It's only ill-informed people such as yourself sceptimatic that would even think for a nanosecond that the topic header was NOT a joke.  The images originated from the LEGO company itself of course, and I'm sure that NASA originally knew nothing of this great model.  And—contrary to your typically unfounded claim—NASA does not do "this kind of thing" on a "regular" basis.

I'm really astounded that you're still continuing to show both your gullibility and your ignorance of science in nearly every comment you post.  Well done LOL.