CHEMTRAILS..... Fact or Fiction?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-12/nsw-hunger-striker-peter-spencer-12-06-14/5518916

And what does that have to do with Chemtrails and UN Agenda 21?  Nothing.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 11, 2014, 04:25:42 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-12/nsw-hunger-striker-peter-spencer-12-06-14/5518916

And what does that have to do with chemtrails and UN Agenda 21?  Nothing.

I agree... Absolutely nothing.  Zero.  Zilch.  Nada.  It's a feeble distraction; nothing more LOL.

Poor old Charles is simply trying to divert attention from his inability to quote any citations to his loony tunes notions about 70% depopulation and "exclusion zones" by posting totally irrelevant links intended to derail the thread and/or create a smoke screen.

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 11, 2014, 10:12:59 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 11, 2014, 04:25:42 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-12/nsw-hunger-striker-peter-spencer-12-06-14/5518916

And what does that have to do with chemtrails and UN Agenda 21?  Nothing.

I agree... Absolutely nothing.  Zero.  Zilch.  Nada.  It's a feeble distraction; nothing more LOL.

Poor old Charles is simply trying to divert attention from his inability to quote any citations to his loony tunes notions about 70% depopulation and "exclusion zones" by posting totally irrelevant links intended to derail the thread and/or create a smoke screen.

That's how you scum work. By claiming anything that implicates you in wrong doing, is nothing more then a conspiracy theory. But then you can expect nothing less from lying sacks of shit.
The UN agenda 21 & the ICLEI implantation consists of removing farmers rights to farm on THEIR land. Are you denning this is not taking place by an unlawful sly stealth back door approach Geoff. Are you denying legislating via Unlawful planning scheme overlays is not taking place Geoff . Are you going to deny UN Agenda 21 isan't  to control all resources of water  land & sea. Turning vast areas of farm land in to national parks & reserves. Vast fishing areas in to national park no fishing zones. Where is the food supply to feed the population going to come from Geoff ?
GM food ? You really dont understand how dangerous to ones health consuming the wrong forms of proteins can be.
The fact is .If you can control weather pattens,rain fall,amount of sun light & UV for synthesis of carbon to carbohydrate for plant growth & the food resource for animals .You can control viability & the worth of the land. Making selected vast areas of land use commercial worthless, for the period of time you wanted it to be & control share & trade  markets.
Why should anyone take the word of those who are engaged in systematically undermining their constitutional laws their lawful rights & sovereignty of their country. Why would any one put  faith in what anyone associated with the implantation of  UN Agenda 21 & ICLEI  had to say about anything. Why should they  not  trust what their own eyes see taking place in the sky's above them. Why should they not believe what they feel is taking place when the technology exists to do so & has since the 1940s. A treaty of UN signatory's to out law it. The same UN that's implementing an Agenda to undermine, countries sovereignty & remove the sovereign peoples lawful constitutional rights & take control of the land . My advise to any one asking if they are condensation trails or chem trails, to trust their eyes & gut instinct. Before placing any dependable faith what so ever, in what a group had to say when they are lying sly treasonous conniving untrustworthy bastards.                         
         
   

Paranoia.

Charlie boy it should be a bit obvious to anyone that there are too many people on this planet. The rich pigs who run the show know it too. Fucking obvious. when a dog gets too many fleas it tries to kick them off. you may have something in your theory but us little people cant do a lot about it. Stop stressing and grab a long neck, you are in Aus, shut up and be happy, you could be back where you come from.

That's how you scum work.

And precisely which "scum" would that be Charles?  The government, the scientific fraternity, university educators, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, the CSIRO, the Australian Federal Police, the Army and Navy and Air Force, the Bureau of Meteorology, the EPA, private pilots and merchant sea captains, paleontologists, aeronautical engineers, climatologists, geophysicists... you know, all those people and organisations that you believe are involved with their opposite numbers in every other country in the world?

By claiming anything that implicates you in wrong doing, is nothing more then a conspiracy theory.

Ah yes.  I knew the good old, tried and trusted "conspiracy theory" would rear its tired old head again.  We thank you for this Charles.  A truly convincing argument.   

But then you can expect nothing less from lying sacks of shit.

Gee whiz... with such a thorough debunking as that, it's hard not to believe all of Charles's contrary theories.  I mean... we all know for a fact that those "sacks of shit" inevitably fail to tell the truth.  Spot on again Charles.  Well done mate.

Before placing any dependable faith what so ever, in what a group had to say when they are lying sly treasonous conniving untrustworthy bastards.

Uh... can you tell us what you really think of these government conspirators Charles?                         
         
BTW, you still haven't provided the citation that supports your Agenda 21 claim that it proposes to depopulate the world by 70% and create human exclusion zones.  Can you please do so?

Charles is not 8 years old boy. This thing is a professional idiot. He need our sympathy and emergency psychiatric help.

Charles is not 8 years old boy. This thing is a professional idiot. He need our sympathy and emergency psychiatric help.

A you dont know much about Trusts  trusties & beneficiaries .A countries constitution is a Trust document a contract with terms & conditions set out. The people of the sovereign country are the share holders & beneficiaries of the trust. The politicians are only the administrators. Who's job is to administer the trust in accordance with the lawful terms & conditions of the trust. The administrators can not lawful operate out side the provisions laid down in that Trust. The administrates cant transfer control of that Trust when the provisions are not in that trust to do so. with out the majority  consent of the share holders & beneficiaries. The administrators can not appoint them self holder of the trust, administrates & sole beneficiaries. That is breach of Trust and an indictable crime. That is treason & fraud.
Removing the rights of the share holders &  beneficiaries of a Trust. When there are no provisions to do so contained in that Trust document (contract). Is an indictable crime.       
             

Maybe Geoff would like to explain. How a Country's constitution (Trust) which is indissoluble, with the only terms & provisions for changing that indissoluble Trust (contract) is  by the provisions contained in it. Which requires the Governor general & administrators of the Trust document (parliamentary politicians) to call a  referendum. (Share holders beneficiary vote). Maybe Geoff would like to explain. Under what lawful authority are the administrators (parliamentary politicians) signing theses treatises. When the trust document does not give them lawful authority & empowerment to sign treaties, with out first satisfying the terms of the Trust. That term & provision requires referendum (Share holders beneficiary vote) & Royal assent. That has never been obtained to sign UN Agenda 21 documents for participation.                   

Charles, in your mind is all this blather about constitutions and referendums and agendas somehow evidence that dangerous chemicals are deliberately dumped out of conmercial jets under the guise of normal contrails? Why don't you connect the dots for those of us who don't know the finer points of the Australian parlimentary system?

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If chemtrails are so natural, why did they add chemtrails to an old movie. I'm sorry if this has been gone over already.

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If chemtrails are so natural, why did they add chemtrails to an old movie. I'm sorry if this has been gone over already.

Oh dear.  You've missed the whole point of the ad LOL.

Every shot is meant to show an incongruity of its time.  That's the only reason the contrail (not chemtrail) has been added to the 2005 version.

They could've just as easily added the image of a wind turbine, a helicopter, a satellite dish, or the Empire State Building in the background.

You're really grasping at straws with this "evidence" as proof for the existence of so-called chemtrails.  Too many flat earthers are relying too often on alleged evidence for their claims by posting bizarre, pseudo-scientific YouTube clips made by people with no scientific background.

This is a blatantly obvious and well established fact with tons of evidence. Even the government agencies now admit it openly (research on: geoengineering project)

It is indeed a litmus test. In my view whoever denies it:
1- either hasn't done his due diligence,
2- or was unable to process the info properly to find the truth,
3- or... is a) an ignorant person b) troll c) disinfo agent etc.

This is a blatantly obvious and well established fact with tons of evidence. Even the government agencies now admit it openly (research on: geoengineering project)

It is indeed a litmus test. In my view whoever denies it:
1- either hasn't done his due diligence,
2- or was unable to process the info properly to find the truth,
3- or... is a) an ignorant person b) troll c) disinfo agent etc.

I choose option #4-Is sane.

This is a blatantly obvious and well established fact with tons of evidence.

Nope.  Sorry.  The existence of so-called "chemtrails" is not "blatant".  Blatant means undeniable, and everyone—other than conspiracy nutters—deny their existence, based on simple science.

There are no "well established facts".  What you're referring to are known in the science world as factoids; something fictitious or unsubstantiated that is presented as fact.

The only "tons" of "evidence" point directly at the existence of contrails only.  There is no evidence for the made-up notion of "chemtrails" other than in the conspirators' tiny brains.

Chemtrails are a fact.  Look into the people that you are following.  If they are trying to leave you with this situation saying that they are really "contrails", then they are a shill.  Plain and simple.  At least chemtrails is good for that.  People don't really know that Alex Jones, Abby Martin, Joe Rogan, and many other people that we see in media are shills.  It's bad enough the main news organizations give us fake news, but the "alternative" media is just simply controlled opposition.  Learn about the Jesuit order, because they are the ones that own you and who are destroying your futures.

Chemtrails are a fact.
 

I have no qualms with you holding that personal opinion... Voltaire and all that stuff.

But contemporary science effectively proves it to be erroneous due to a total lack of any contradictory evidence supporting the obvious contrail mechanism.  Unless you can post the results of an accredited examination of the molecular structure of your purported "chemtrails" you're simply guessing—in line with all the other conspiracy nutters out there.

Any/all jet contrails are simply composed of ice crystals—hydrogen and oxygen.  Nothing more; nothing less.  End of story.

Chemtrails are a fact.  Look into the people that you are following.  If they are trying to leave you with this situation saying that they are really "contrails", then they are a shill.  Plain and simple.  At least chemtrails is good for that.  People don't really know that Alex Jones, Abby Martin, Joe Rogan, and many other people that we see in media are shills.  It's bad enough the main news organizations give us fake news, but the "alternative" media is just simply controlled opposition.  Learn about the Jesuit order, because they are the ones that own you and who are destroying your futures.

Wait, so let me get this right, the main stream media are paid shills for the conspiracy^TM and the alternative media are controlled by the conspiracy^TM also?

Chemtrails are a fact.  Look into the people that you are following.  If they are trying to leave you with this situation saying that they are really "contrails", then they are a shill.  Plain and simple.  At least chemtrails is good for that.  People don't really know that Alex Jones, Abby Martin, Joe Rogan, and many other people that we see in media are shills.  It's bad enough the main news organizations give us fake news, but the "alternative" media is just simply controlled opposition.  Learn about the Jesuit order, because they are the ones that own you and who are destroying your futures.

I'm sorry.
This is just much too ridiculous to argue about. You honestly are crazy enough to think that all of us are blatently hiding the truth of chemtrails to throw others off the trail?
I mean, come on. Really.
This should not even be anywhere on these forums.
Read about contrails. I promise you that that is a solution to the problem you're having that doesn't break Occam's razor.
It makes a whole mess of sense as an explanation.

QUESTION: If there have existed chemtrails as long as there has existed planes - WHY AREN'T WE ALL DEAD FROM ALL THE POISON?
If you think these "chemtrails" are new, please look at some old videos of planes zipping around forming these trails.

This image dates to c. 1949...


It clearly shows the six contrails from each of the engines on a Convair B-36 "Peacemaker" which first flew in 1946, and was built then at a unit cost of $4.1 million.  Would any flat earther care to tell us exactly how "they" introduced the toxic chemicals to the contrails?  Or why "they" would use such a large, easily identifiable and super expensive aircraft to allegedly dust the skies?

So... no flat earther's prepared to address a pretty simple, legitimate question about contrails—or purported "chemtrails"?

Why is it that whenever a round earther poses a question that the flat earthers can't answer, they just disappear—and hope the thread does too?

Anyway... the "chemtrail" conspiracy was only started in 1996 by a US talk-show host Arthur Bell—who believes in time-travellers, ghosts and psychics—so how can it be that this post-WWII plane is showing what the flat earthers describe as "chemtrails" rather than what they are; contrails?  Or would they agree that the image in fact shows contrails.  And if that's the case, how then do the flat earthers differentiate between "chemtrails" and contrails?

Or are they unable to?

Contrails disappear quickly, a few minutes. Chemtrails stay above for hours and often spread into a general haze in the sky.

Contrails disappear quickly, a few minutes. Chemtrails stay above for hours and often spread into a general haze in the sky.

Nope, and nope.  Please check out THIS site for a rebuttal.




   

Chemtrails are a fact.  They are so obvious that sometimes even the shills have to give in to that they might actually be being sprayed.  There are some things however that the shills will never talk about.  The space/universe fraud and nuclear weapons being all lies.  I have been looking at evidence for over a year now.  I have two 15 minute videos here that I put together that are damning for this global control and lies that we are told.  Please take the time to watch and share the information.  You have my permission to download and use these in any way possible.  The world needs to wake up to what's going on, our rights are being destroyed.  Our futures are being destroyed.
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Stop watching television, it is controlled.  Learn about Freemasons, and more importantly, learn of the Jesuit order.

Chemtrails are a fact.  They are so obvious that sometimes even the shills have to give in to that they might actually be being sprayed.  There are some things however that the shills will never talk about.  The space/universe fraud and nuclear weapons being all lies.  I have been looking at evidence for over a year now.  I have two 15 minute videos here that I put together that are damning for this global control and lies that we are told.  Please take the time to watch and share the information.  You have my permission to download and use these in any way possible.  The world needs to wake up to what's going on, our rights are being destroyed.  Our futures are being destroyed.
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Stop watching television, it is controlled.  Learn about Freemasons, and more importantly, learn of the Jesuit order.

Much of what I know about physics I learned from experimentation, does the government control physics too?

With the chemtrail theory, do you honestly thing that nobody, not even the people who build airplanes, have noticed tanks of mind control chemicals and sprayers that would be needed to release it?  It's not like the inner workings of aircrafts are top secret or anything.

If nuclear bombs are lies, then what wiped out the two Japanese cities that were nuked?  Was it aliens from the underside of the Earth?

No massive international conspiracy at the scale that you are proposing has never happened before, and also if people can take away the free will of others then that would disprove my religion, so please understand my skepticism.

John Reynaga ia a well-known internet "kook" and I'm surprised RationalWiki doesn't yet list him as it does with Anders Björkman.

These two YouTube clips are full of so much absolute bullshit I'm surprised they haven't been deleted:

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The above is an image of this petulant-looking whack-job.

And the following is typical of the sort of rubbish he posts all over the web:  "We are being lied to about the space programs of the world powers.  NASA is total fraud, and exists to lie to the American people.  I'm guessing that if they have any real function, they must be like an extension of the military or something.  There aren't satellites orbiting the Earth, we didn't visit the moon, and we aren't probing our solar system with anything.  The Mars landers from the 70's and the more recent rovers were all nonsense as well.  Nuclear weapons don't even exist.  We have global controllers and we are being lied to every single day of our lives."

Anybody with a functioning brain will notice that Reynaga never supports his absurd claims with any empirical evidence.  He apparently reckons we should accept what he's saying as the truth simply because he says it's so.

Apart from seemingly thinking that people actually listen to what he has to say with any credulity, he also seems to seriously believe in his own bizarre theories. One can only assume that he's self-delusional to a serious degree, or more likely has a paranoid personality disorder.  People with paranoid personality disorder are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others.  They'll also invariably  believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent, and assume that other people will exploit, harm, or deceive them, even if no evidence exists to support this expectation.

Does this sound like Reynaga?  Sure does.   

Chemtrails are a fact.  They are so obvious that sometimes even the shills have to give in to that they might actually be being sprayed.  There are some things however that the shills will never talk about.  The space/universe fraud and nuclear weapons being all lies.  I have been looking at evidence for over a year now.  I have two 15 minute videos here that I put together that are damning for this global control and lies that we are told.  Please take the time to watch and share the information.  You have my permission to download and use these in any way possible.  The world needs to wake up to what's going on, our rights are being destroyed.  Our futures are being destroyed.
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Stop watching television, it is controlled.  Learn about Freemasons, and more importantly, learn of the Jesuit order.

I have taken the time to watch your videos and all they are is this kind of thing:  "These people are f***ing idiots because they don't f***ing care that they are f***ing lying to the f***ing public and the f***ers only care about their f***ing pay check rather then f***ing ethics."

You never actually gave any evidence that these things are faked.  The reason that there aren't more pictures of Earth is because launching things into space is expensive and nobody wants to pay thousands of dollars just to get one picture of Earth.  GPS satellites don't take pictures of Earth because they don't have cameras and most satellites are in low orbit meaning that they are too close to get an image of the whole Earth.  If you want to find real pictures of Earth then you should search "photo of earth from space".  Nuclear explosions are REALLY bright, and that means that they can damage most cameras, it's really hard to find a camera that is made to withstand such brightness.  The "bubbles" coming from ISS astronauts are just low resolution specs on the screen that could be anything and scuba tanks are also used to store other gasses and it makes sense that there is one on the ISS.

Based off of your low video quality, constant swearing, and lack of evidence I can't really take you too seriously.

Atom crackers do work.

http://www.montebello.com.au/atomic_tests.html

And chem trails have been used.

 http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/agent-orange

And contrails do happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail


So what is all the carry on about.

Get a real life.

Sorry guys, there are shills commenting on this forum.  There are millions of people all over the world involved in this corruption against humanity at various levels, and you get shills galore as a result.  Timelapse videos of chemtrails and "chem halo" videos from the saturation of the sky are damning.  Learn about Freemasons and the Jesuit order, the world governments are controlled.  And the shills are the biggest losers in all of human history lol

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Sorry guys, there are shills commenting on this forum.  There are millions of people all over the world involved in this corruption against humanity at various levels, and you get shills galore as a result.  Timelapse videos of chemtrails and "chem halo" videos from the saturation of the sky are damning.  Learn about Freemasons and the Jesuit order, the world governments are controlled.  And the shills are the biggest losers in all of human history lol

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I dunno, I have a beautiful Australian woman, a good job and a beautiful house.

All on top of that phat shill money. While you are kinda greasy.

I'd say I'm winning.