CHEMTRAILS..... Fact or Fiction?

Just for curiosity's sake, how did you come to be in possession of this secret unaltered UN document?

It wasn't secret. It was on the internet, I down loaded it about 14 years ago. When I was researching the then newly introduced plaining schemes & rezoning of area maps . At the time I didn't give it much of a thought. I was more interested in how it was possible for my state guaranteed fee simple land titles, to be now encroached upon with restrictive overlays & no compensation paid in just terms. Agenda 21 has nothing to do with the environment as its proclaimed. Its about removing the right of the common man to be self sufficient or own property.Non limited tax burdens on everything!!!. Agenda 21implamataion completion,insures a guaranteed complete dependence on high profit based corporate service providers.
Complete Monopolization of land, sea, air & all other resources.

Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 07, 2014, 10:17:39 AM

Just for curiosity's sake, how did you come to be in possession of this secret unaltered UN document?

It wasn't secret. It was on the internet, I down loaded it about 14 years ago. When I was researching the then newly introduced plaining schemes & rezoning of area maps . At the time I didn't give it much of a thought. I was more interested in how it was possible for my state guaranteed fee simple land titles, to be now encroached upon with restrictive overlays & no compensation paid in just terms. Agenda 21 has nothing to do with the environment as its proclaimed. Its about removing the right of the common man to be self sufficient or own property.Non limited tax burdens on everything!!!. Agenda 21implamataion completion,insures a guaranteed complete dependence on high profit based corporate service providers.
Complete Monopolization of land, sea, air & all other resources.

So how does this version of the document, which apparently was not adopted, and for which you have no evidence, have any relevance to whether unknown chemicals are dumped on people on a regular basis? Sounds like an extremely tenuous link to me.

And if the government was going to carry this out in secret, why would they do it in the middle of the day in plain sight? Why not just do it at night and when it's cloudy? Another example of the conspiracy theorist's paradox - a shadowy organization has nearly unlimited resouces and ability to deceive, but they are also so incompent that Joe Six-pack can spot them in action from his back yard. Ridiculous.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 06:21:26 PM

Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 07, 2014, 10:17:39 AM

Just for curiosity's sake, how did you come to be in possession of this secret unaltered UN document?

It wasn't secret. It was on the internet, I down loaded it about 14 years ago. When I was researching the then newly introduced plaining schemes & rezoning of area maps . At the time I didn't give it much of a thought. I was more interested in how it was possible for my state guaranteed fee simple land titles, to be now encroached upon with restrictive overlays & no compensation paid in just terms. Agenda 21 has nothing to do with the environment as its proclaimed. Its about removing the right of the common man to be self sufficient or own property.Non limited tax burdens on everything!!!. Agenda 21implamataion completion,insures a guaranteed complete dependence on high profit based corporate service providers.
Complete Monopolization of land, sea, air & all other resources.

So how does this version of the document, which apparently was not adopted, and for which you have no evidence, have any relevance to whether unknown chemicals are dumped on people on a regular basis? Sounds like an extremely tenuous link to me.

And if the government was going to carry this out in secret, why would they do it in the middle of the day in plain sight? Why not just do it at night and when it's cloudy? Another example of the conspiracy theorist's paradox - a shadowy organization has nearly unlimited resouces and ability to deceive, but they are also so incompent that Joe Six-pack can spot them in action from his back yard. Ridiculous.

They do carry it out at night now. I say due to the multitude of phone calls the EPA was receiving. Me being one of them. No denying its taking place from the state EPA .Only a statement its not their legislated state Jurisdiction & they have no authority . Aviation is federal Jurisdiction. I wouldn't call them incompetent. More an arrogance of we make the laws we are above the law & can do as we please.                       

But why would they ever have done during the day in the first place? It makes no sense at all. Either they can do it anytime, in which case they would only do it at night, or it must do it in they day, which would contradict you statement that they have changed to doing it at night. Not to mention that other people still claim to see them in the day, which means either you, they, or both are wrong.

But why would they ever have done during the day in the first place? It makes no sense at all. Either they can do it anytime, in which case they would only do it at night, or it must do it in they day, which would contradict you statement that they have changed to doing it at night. Not to mention that other people still claim to see them in the day, which means either you, they, or both are wrong.

Your asking me why. Ask them, see the bullshit response you get back & if that dont work in curtailing your inquisitiveness to ask questions, then comes their threats & intimidation . Its obviously cheaper having commercial flights conduct aerosol spraying. routes to locations,flight paths available & frequency of flights. . I thought the old bloke that told me of chem trails & synthetic forming clouds, had lost his marbles. I just smiled, humoured him at the time by listening to what he had to say  & hoped in the back of my mind the old bugger  would get some help with his delusion. It wasn't till a month later on a hot still summers day when  I was out cutting hay. Stopped for a breather, cracked a longneck from me  esky & rolled a smoke. I noticed a jet leaving a mighty big trial behind it that didn't dissipate. With in half an hour that trail had spread out & formed three large white fluffy clouds. That's when the penny dropped. The old bugger wasn't crazy at all & That was the start of me consciously to take note in noticing jets trials & abnormal formations of clouds taking place.

Uh, cool story bro. So do they only do it at night now, or what?

Wow, awesome.  Well, I have a secret document from the UN that says that they put out this secret Agenda 21 document to fool people into thinking that contrails were really chemtrails.  Of course I have it saved on another computer and won't produce it for you to peruse.  You know, the men in suits would come and confiscate my family and create bogus weapon charges against me.  I of course downloaded it 16 years ago back when I was really questioning why people thought chemtrails existed.

So basically, I am getting at that your story is just as credible as the one I just typed up.  Unless of course you can provide evidence for yours.  Such as providing the document.  WHich you obviously can't because it does not exist.  Prove to me that I am wrong.  Provide the document.  Cite the areas that specifically mention reducing the population and setting up human exclusion zones. 

Uh, cool story bro. So do they only do it at night now, or what?

No they still do some of it during the day. But no way near as obverse as it was getting.  Mostly early mornings & their not using commercial jets as often. The morning jet flight paths are not  from or to any domestic air port.

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 07, 2014, 09:28:13 PM

Uh, cool story bro. So do they only do it at night now, or what?

No they still do some of it during the day. But no way near as obverse as it was getting.  Mostly early mornings & their not using commercial jets as often. The morning jet flight paths are not  from or to any domestic air port.

Should I even bother to ask how you know what jets are being used, their actual flight path and the "correct" flight path?

Wow, awesome.  Well, I have a secret document from the UN that says that they put out this secret Agenda 21 document to fool people into thinking that contrails were really chemtrails.  Of course I have it saved on another computer and won't produce it for you to peruse.  You know, the men in suits would come and confiscate my family and create bogus weapon charges against me.  I of course downloaded it 16 years ago back when I was really questioning why people thought chemtrails existed.

So basically, I am getting at that your story is just as credible as the one I just typed up.  Unless of course you can provide evidence for yours.  Such as providing the document.  WHich you obviously can't because it does not exist.  Prove to me that I am wrong.  Provide the document.  Cite the areas that specifically mention reducing the population and setting up human exclusion zones.

Basically you can believe who or what ever you like. I dont need your endorsement & you dont need mine. You see that's what make Agenda elitist  scum, morally different to me the  common man. I dont need to control every aspect of anther persons life or property. I dont need to order you how to think. What I do demand though in society is honesty integrity & decency towards other human beings.Which is a simplistic  rule to follow that your Agenda mob cant seem to fathom.         

Unconstitutional you bet it is. That's why its being introduced by stealth means & its lackeys who are profiting by betraying their countries sovereignty & their fellow country men & women are doing their utmost to hide that FACT.       
 http://thatmrgguy.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/agenda-21-iclei-is-unconstitutional-is-it-in-your-town/

Anther read for ya BJ1234 you treasonous UN Agenda 21 blow hard.
http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=1282

Once again, cite UN Agenda 21 where it says to "reduce population by 70%" and where it sets up "human exclusion zones".  You can post internet rants claiming such all you want, but if the 350 page document does not mention anything of the sort, they are just unsubstantiated claims.

I have already done my leg work in backing up my claim that you are wrong about what Agenda 21 is.  I linked to the actual document, searched it, and found nothing of the sort in it.  I have challenged you to prove me wrong and that Agenda 21 actually says what you claim.  Your only response is that I don't have the "real, unaltered" document.  Something you say that you have, but won't share.

Quote from: ausGeoff on July 07, 2014, 03:48:21 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 02:54:07 AM

It seems anyone who questions anything, is a nut job conspiracy theorist according to you Geoff. I can only go on my own experiences dealing with UN agenda 21.

Uh... I'm more inclined to believe that you're the one sucking up the conspiracy theories like a defective intellectual sponge Charles.  Earlier on, you posted "Read UN agenda 21, their own literature talks of reducing the world population by 70%".

And we're still waiting for you to substantiate this claim.  So, a direct link please.

You also claimed earlier that "I and others  have filmed  plenty of documenting footage of jets trails & clouds forming".  I then—quite reasonably— asked you to post a link to one of these videos of yours, and you've not yet done so.  Why is that?  Were you maybe misrepresenting the truth a little Charles?

Anyway, I'll await your video link.

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7 different unlawful plaining [sic] overlays on my property that never existed in 1999. So ether talk truth Geoff or phark off ya clown.

As it's obviously affected you at a personal level Charles, could you please list those seven specific amended overlays?

(You should also know that I've reported your repeated personal insults and foul language to the moderators.)

Good for you & while your at it read up on the 1914 Commonwealth of Australia Crimes act still enforce. 
 

Meanwhile, I'm still awaiting a direct citation to your 70% depopulation claim from Agenda 21 Charles.  Where is it?
I'm also awaiting your link to the video you and your friends made showing alleged chemtrails.  Where is it?

Why are you not addressing these two reasonable requests of mine?  Is it an admission that you possess neither?

So... links please.

They do carry it out at night now.

Nope.  You're just making this up Charles.  Do you seriously expect us to believe that not one member of the public living near airports would notice hundreds of planes taking off and landing at night?  You're dreaming I'm afraid.

I say due to the multitude of phone calls the EPA was receiving.

Citation please confirming this "multitude" of calls to the EPA.  Or is this just another unfounded dream of yours?

Why are you promoting the implementation  of UN Agenda 21 for the  Commonwealth Australia & its territories.? That which is clearly defined as being an act of treachery & sabotage under the Commonwealth of Australia crimes Act.
Is it an admission that you possess neitherNO .I guess the fish just aren't biting. Oh & look it up.Its not a crime to possess or not possess ether. The same cant be said for your Agenda Geoff.
I cant fathom for the likes of me, why you would start a chem trail thread Geoff. If not an attempt  to engage in mixed views on the subject?.

Why are you promoting the implementation of UN Agenda 21 for the Commonwealth Australia & its territories? That which is clearly defined as being an act of treachery & sabotage under the Commonwealth of Australia crimes Act.
 
Is it an admission that you possess neither NO. I guess the fish just aren't biting.  Oh & look it up.Its not a crime to possess or not possess ether. The same cant be said for your agenda Geoff.
 
I cant fathom for the likes of me, why you would start a chem trail thread Geoff. If not an attempt  to engage in mixed views on the subject?.

You really need to stop rambling on about this Agenda 21 stuff Charles; you're starting to sound awfully like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

I also note you failed to address either of the points I raised:

Do you seriously expect us to believe that not one member of the public living near airports would notice hundreds of planes taking off and landing at night?


And;  citation please confirming this "multitude" of calls to the EPA.

And you do realise (or maybe you don't?) that the Agenda 21 has nothing at all to do with your allegations of "chemtrails" being used in Australia—were they even to exist in reality.  You've hijacked this thread simply to rant on about what's obviously your favourite whipping boy of the moment; Agenda 21. 

Also, you obviously know very little about Australian constitutional law (acts of "treachery" and "sabotage" LOL)—like you know very little about scientific principles and practices.  You're really overextending your intellectual limits on these forums Charles.  You need to take a deep breath and acknowledge that you're not nearly smart enough to play with the grownups just yet.  Sorry.

Big crop dusters around your place a Charlie boy.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 08, 2014, 09:16:05 PM

Why are you promoting the implementation of UN Agenda 21 for the Commonwealth Australia & its territories? That which is clearly defined as being an act of treachery & sabotage under the Commonwealth of Australia crimes Act.
 
Is it an admission that you possess neither NO. I guess the fish just aren't biting.  Oh & look it up.Its not a crime to possess or not possess ether. The same cant be said for your agenda Geoff.
 
I cant fathom for the likes of me, why you would start a chem trail thread Geoff. If not an attempt  to engage in mixed views on the subject?.

You really need to stop rambling on about this Agenda 21 stuff Charles; you're starting to sound awfully like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

I also note you failed to address either of the points I raised:

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Do you seriously expect us to believe that not one member of the public living near airports would notice hundreds of planes taking off and landing at night?


And;  citation please confirming this "multitude" of calls to the EPA.

And you do realise (or maybe you don't?) that the Agenda 21 has nothing at all to do with your allegations of "chemtrails" being used in Australia—were they even to exist in reality.  You've hijacked this thread simply to rant on about what's obviously your favourite whipping boy of the moment; Agenda 21. 

Also, you obviously know very little about Australian constitutional law (acts of "treachery" and "sabotage" LOL)—like you know very little about scientific principles and practices.  You're really overextending your intellectual limits on these forums Charles.  You need to take a deep breath and acknowledge that you're not nearly smart enough to play with the grownups just yet.  Sorry.

I know the stinking stench of a scum bag treasonous treacherous dog a mile away & I know the Commonwealth of Australia crime acts & their interpretation acts like the back of my hand. Complements of a previous occupation.   Commonwealth of Australia constitution  Indissoluble Geoff. Section 109. When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid. Indissoluble means just that Indissoluble.

Quote from: ausGeoff on July 09, 2014, 12:45:46 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 08, 2014, 09:16:05 PM

Why are you promoting the implementation of UN Agenda 21 for the Commonwealth Australia & its territories? That which is clearly defined as being an act of treachery & sabotage under the Commonwealth of Australia crimes Act.
 
Is it an admission that you possess neither NO. I guess the fish just aren't biting.  Oh & look it up.Its not a crime to possess or not possess ether. The same cant be said for your agenda Geoff.
 
I cant fathom for the likes of me, why you would start a chem trail thread Geoff. If not an attempt  to engage in mixed views on the subject?.

You really need to stop rambling on about this Agenda 21 stuff Charles; you're starting to sound awfully like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

I also note you failed to address either of the points I raised:

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Do you seriously expect us to believe that not one member of the public living near airports would notice hundreds of planes taking off and landing at night?


And;  citation please confirming this "multitude" of calls to the EPA.

And you do realise (or maybe you don't?) that the Agenda 21 has nothing at all to do with your allegations of "chemtrails" being used in Australia—were they even to exist in reality.  You've hijacked this thread simply to rant on about what's obviously your favourite whipping boy of the moment; Agenda 21. 

Also, you obviously know very little about Australian constitutional law (acts of "treachery" and "sabotage" LOL)—like you know very little about scientific principles and practices.  You're really overextending your intellectual limits on these forums Charles.  You need to take a deep breath and acknowledge that you're not nearly smart enough to play with the grownups just yet.  Sorry.

I know the stinking stench of a scum bag treasonous treacherous dog a mile away & I know the Commonwealth of Australia crime acts & their interpretation acts like the back of my hand. Complements of a previous occupation.   Commonwealth of Australia constitution  Indissoluble Geoff. Section 109. When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid. Indissoluble means just that Indissoluble.

Looks like you need to study the back of your hand better.  You can't even back up your claims about anything you say.  You have not yet shown us, in Agenda 21, where it states its intent is to reduce the population by 70% or where it sets up "human exclusion zones".  All you have done so far is link us to other websites and videos that you are just parroting. 

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.           

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.         

Until you can substantiate your claims, with any sort of citation at all, it will hold no sway over me.  It is obvious that you haven't looked into the subject other than conspiracy websites that confirm your views.  You won't even look into the original document and see what it actually says.

Earlier in this thread you told me that wiki links were not allowed at Australian universities.  Would they be more acceptable than no sources at all?

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 04:54:55 PM

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.         

Until you can substantiate your claims, with any sort of citation at all, it will hold no sway over me.  It is obvious that you haven't looked into the subject other than conspiracy websites that confirm your views.  You won't even look into the original document and see what it actually says.

Earlier in this thread you told me that wiki links were not allowed at Australian universities.  Would they be more acceptable than no sources at all?

Spoken like a true treasonous traitorous dog. I dont need to post what information I hold. The present churched up UN Agenda 21 document displayed on the internet at present.Only needs the person reading it to apply a little  maths, to come up with the same outcome & conclusion.     

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 09, 2014, 05:18:19 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 04:54:55 PM

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.         

Until you can substantiate your claims, with any sort of citation at all, it will hold no sway over me.  It is obvious that you haven't looked into the subject other than conspiracy websites that confirm your views.  You won't even look into the original document and see what it actually says.

Earlier in this thread you told me that wiki links were not allowed at Australian universities.  Would they be more acceptable than no sources at all?

Spoken like a true treasonous traitorous dog. I dont need to post what information I hold.

Well, yes you do.  If you don't, you have an unsubstantiated claim.

The present churched up UN Agenda 21 document displayed on the internet at present.

Please provide evidence of your claim that the document available on the internet is not the original.

Only needs the person reading it to apply a little  maths, to come up with the same outcome & conclusion.   

Oh really?  Show me the maths.  And why you they should be applied and why you are right in applying them.

See Charles, you do need to support your claims.  I have supported mine, you have not supported yours.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 10:03:21 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 09, 2014, 05:18:19 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 04:54:55 PM

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.         

Until you can substantiate your claims, with any sort of citation at all, it will hold no sway over me.  It is obvious that you haven't looked into the subject other than conspiracy websites that confirm your views.  You won't even look into the original document and see what it actually says.

Earlier in this thread you told me that wiki links were not allowed at Australian universities.  Would they be more acceptable than no sources at all?

Spoken like a true treasonous traitorous dog. I dont need to post what information I hold.

Well, yes you do.  If you don't, you have an unsubstantiated claim.

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The present churched up UN Agenda 21 document displayed on the internet at present.

Please provide evidence of your claim that the document available on the internet is not the original.

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Only needs the person reading it to apply a little  maths, to come up with the same outcome & conclusion.   

Oh really?  Show me the maths.  And why you they should be applied and why you are right in applying them.

See Charles, you do need to support your claims.  I have supported mine, you have not supported yours.

you do need to support your claims.  I have supported mine, you have not supported yours.
Yes you have indeed . You have admitted to supporting implementation of a foreign entities agenda by stealth means. Which is sabotaging your  countries sovereignty & the sovereignty of its people. Which makes you admitting to being a treasonous traitorous dog. That I do not wish to engage in correspondence with any more.   

Yes you have indeed . You have admitted to supporting implementation of a foreign entities agenda by stealth means. Which is sabotaging your  countries sovereignty & the sovereignty of its people. Which makes you admitting to being a treasonous traitorous dog. That I do not wish to engage in correspondence with any more.

I'm guessing that poor old Charles has forgotten to take his medication today?

One of these may be of some help:

—Is that distant barking I can hear Charles?


           

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 10, 2014, 03:55:22 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 10:03:21 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 09, 2014, 05:18:19 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 09, 2014, 04:54:55 PM

And it  looks like your loyalties lay with a  foreign entity & its Agenda. Not your sovereign country or its sovereign people. The words for a person of that lowlife standing, is treasonous traitorous dog. Bark away all you like. It  doesn't change a thing , your still a treasonous traitorous dog.         

Until you can substantiate your claims, with any sort of citation at all, it will hold no sway over me.  It is obvious that you haven't looked into the subject other than conspiracy websites that confirm your views.  You won't even look into the original document and see what it actually says.

Earlier in this thread you told me that wiki links were not allowed at Australian universities.  Would they be more acceptable than no sources at all?

Spoken like a true treasonous traitorous dog. I dont need to post what information I hold.

Well, yes you do.  If you don't, you have an unsubstantiated claim.

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The present churched up UN Agenda 21 document displayed on the internet at present.

Please provide evidence of your claim that the document available on the internet is not the original.

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Only needs the person reading it to apply a little  maths, to come up with the same outcome & conclusion.   

Oh really?  Show me the maths.  And why you they should be applied and why you are right in applying them.

See Charles, you do need to support your claims.  I have supported mine, you have not supported yours.

you do need to support your claims.  I have supported mine, you have not supported yours.
Yes you have indeed . You have admitted to supporting implementation of a foreign entities agenda by stealth means. Which is sabotaging your  countries sovereignty & the sovereignty of its people. Which makes you admitting to being a treasonous traitorous dog. That I do not wish to engage in correspondence with any more.

Please re-read my posts and point out where I said I supported Agenda 21.  All I have done is refute your claims that it wants to reduce world population by 70% and that it sets up human exclusion zones.  I looked through the document and saw nothing of the sort in it.  I have asked you to please quote the document where it says that.  You have not done so. 

Please re-read my posts and point out where I said I supported Agenda 21.  All I have done is refute your claims that it wants to reduce world population by 70% and that it sets up human exclusion zones.  I looked through the document and saw nothing of the sort in it.  I have asked you to please quote the document where it says that.  You have not done so.

Charles won't and can't post any reference to this claim of his because it doesn't exist in the real world.  Poor old Charles seems to be living in some sort of delusional, unreal inner world of his own.  He's obviously out of touch with the world that everybody else inhabits, plus he has delusions of grandeur which blind him to logic and coherence.

We probably should pity the poor guy, but it's always been hard not to laugh at a clown's antics.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 10, 2014, 11:14:16 PM

Yes you have indeed . You have admitted to supporting implementation of a foreign entities agenda by stealth means. Which is sabotaging your  countries sovereignty & the sovereignty of its people. Which makes you admitting to being a treasonous traitorous dog. That I do not wish to engage in correspondence with any more.

I'm guessing that poor old Charles has forgotten to take his medication today?

One of these may be of some help:

—Is that distant barking I can hear Charles?


           

Hearing your own echo are you Geoff. Do you think people haven't woke up to UN agenda 21 & the ICLEI already Geoff ?. 
 Don't worry they will know where to find you. After  Peter Spencer is successful in the high court & he will be, he has thousands of pages of Government incriminating documents for evidence & his not interested in settling the matter out of court. The scum bags can only stall for so long.