CHEMTRAILS..... Fact or Fiction?

& BJ1234, I'd like to feed you up on GM crops & fluoridated your water supply with toxic "sodium fluoride" that doesn't occur naturally in nature. Apparently poisoning people is good for their teeth?
Maybe I'm just a paranoid crazy, in thinking introducing  crops in to the public food supply, that produced tumours in the test rodents feed it for nine months. Including other test animals off spring testing sterile.is not such a good idea & why on earth would those results be over looked by any food safety agency or government body other then purposely over looked.
Maybe I'm just a paranoid crazy, in thinking. Its not a good idea to be allowing Aluminium smelters to get rid of their toxic sodium fluoride waste in to the populations water supply.
blathering on ? talking the truth.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Why move onto other claims of yours when you haven't even supported your first claim yet?

Are you going to do that?

Are you going to support your claims about Agenda 21 before we move onto more of your unsubstantiated claims?

Quote from: Rama Set on July 02, 2014, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Really?  So are you now saying there is no legitimate reason to seed clouds for rain or to spray pesticides on crops?

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 07:32:46 AM

Its all one package deal. Total control  UN Agenda 21 psychopaths operate that way.

Oh dear.  Our resident and leading conspiracy theorist Charles is off and running with yet another freight-train load of unsubstantiated scaremongering, fuelled—like most of his other whacky ideas—by sheer ignorance and/or avoidance of the actual facts.  But then paranoid people like Charles never let the facts get in the way of a good panic story do they?

"Agenda 21" is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to global development, and posits suggestions for sustainable ways local, state and national governments can combat poverty and pollution and conserve natural resources in the 21st century.  It was promulgated in 1992 and in the ensuing 22-year period, there has not been one iota of evidence supporting any of the ludicrous conspiracy theories manufactured in order to damn and misrepresent Agenda 21.

I suggest Charles reads Demented Agitprop: The Myth and Madness of Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories HERE which will hopefully calm his unnecessarily agitated though processes.  Although I doubt it LOL.

Read the  Commonwealth of Australia 1900uk constitution. Your indissoluble Constitution Geoff. Are you a loyal Australian to this country or are you Just as your  portraying your self to be, a traitor & UN agenda 21 treasonous scum bag . There's no voluntary about it. No referendum yes vote for its implementation. No Agenda 21 implementation to take place. Wilfully doing so is treason. ludicrous conspiracy theories manufactured in order to damn and misrepresent Agenda 21. NO REFERENDOM Geoff. I dont know how you can call it a conspiracy theory. 

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 07:49:23 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on July 02, 2014, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Really?  So are you now saying there is no legitimate reason to seed clouds for rain or to spray pesticides on crops?

So know your admitting they are seeding clouds? Make up your mind, their ether dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere or their not ? At what altitude are they seeding theses clouds & releasing theses chemical agents & what chemicals are they using. I thought you were adamant its all condensation.   

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 03, 2014, 07:51:32 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 07:49:23 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on July 02, 2014, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Really?  So are you now saying there is no legitimate reason to seed clouds for rain or to spray pesticides on crops?

So know your admitting they are seeding clouds? Make up your mind, their ether dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere or their not ? At what altitude are they seeding theses clouds & releasing theses chemical agents & what chemicals are they using. I thought you were adamant its all condensation.   

This is a false dilemma.  Planes can spray chemicals and create contrails.  Chemtrails are a description for a particular type of chemical spraying.  Its definition is as follows:

A trail created by an unknown chemical with an unknown purpose sprayed by no one knows who for whatever reason with zero evidence.

Why move onto other claims of yours when you haven't even supported your first claim yet?

Are you going to do that?

Are you going to support your claims about Agenda 21 before we move onto more of your unsubstantiated claims?

mmmmmm let me see, We have Governments of sovereign countries &  public servants implementing laws by stealth, that are not lawful to implement in theses sovereign countries. We have the majority of the population of theses sovereign countries. Not giving consent to there implantation.
Why move onto other claims of yours when you haven't even supported your first claim yet?
      Well will you be chowing down on GM food ? & drinking your toxic poison ?

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 08:52:50 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 03, 2014, 07:51:32 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 07:49:23 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on July 02, 2014, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Really?  So are you now saying there is no legitimate reason to seed clouds for rain or to spray pesticides on crops?

So know your admitting they are seeding clouds? Make up your mind, their ether dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere or their not ? At what altitude are they seeding theses clouds & releasing theses chemical agents & what chemicals are they using. I thought you were adamant its all condensation.   

This is a false dilemma.  Planes can spray chemicals and create contrails.  Chemtrails are a description for a particular type of chemical spraying.  Its definition is as follows:

A trail created by an unknown chemical with an unknown purpose sprayed by no one knows who for whatever reason with zero evidence.

I dont care what you want to call dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Its dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Seeding clouds, would that not be  modifying weather with a chemical agent. No consent from the population to be doing so. I'm afraid that constitutes  an act of terrorism as deemed by the 1978 UN treaty on weather modification. 

ITT: Farts are chemtrails

Thanks for the learning Charles Bloomington.

I dont care what you want to call dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Its dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Seeding clouds, would that not be  modifying weather with a chemical agent. No consent from the population to be doing so. I'm afraid that constitutes  an act of terrorism as deemed by the 1978 UN treaty on weather modification.

Water vapor is a chemical agent that is created when hydrocarbons are burned.  Therefore, any airplane that burns hydrocarbons (aka, fuel) is seeding clouds, modifying the weather and engaging in terrorism.  Also, by your definition, anyone who heats their house with gas, oil or wood is creating water vapor (as well as poisonous CO₂ gas) that gets into the atmosphere, seeds clouds, modifies the weather and is therefore engaging in an act of terrorism.  Don't forget cars, factories, trees, animals and just about anything else that generates water vapor.

There are plenty of natural and man made chemicals that get into the atmosphere and modify the weather.  Why bother with chemtrails?

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 09:17:55 AM

I dont care what you want to call dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Its dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere. Seeding clouds, would that not be  modifying weather with a chemical agent. No consent from the population to be doing so. I'm afraid that constitutes  an act of terrorism as deemed by the 1978 UN treaty on weather modification.

Water vapor is a chemical agent that is created when hydrocarbons are burned.  Therefore, any airplane that burns hydrocarbons (aka, fuel) is seeding clouds, modifying the weather and engaging in terrorism.  Also, by your definition, anyone who heats their house with gas, oil or wood is creating water vapor (as well as poisonous CO₂ gas) that gets into the atmosphere, seeds clouds, modifies the weather and is therefore engaging in an act of terrorism.  Don't forget cars, factories, trees, animals and just about anything else that generates water vapor.

There are plenty of natural and man made chemicals that get into the atmosphere and modify the weather.  Why bother with chemtrails?

When I boil my kettle to make a cupper & then turn it off. The small amount of steam released from it, doesn't spread out & form a large cloud that floats around my kitchen for days.
I can see your mentally challenged. All those activities your describing are not a wilful act to deliberately set out to make clouds & modify weather.     

So anyone who questions why their seeing the sky's littered with theses trails on a daily bases, according to your doctrine. Is in your opinion wearing a tinfoil hat & someone of unsound mind. I would have to say  a rational human would be some what concerned at seeing their sky continually  littered with theses trails daily.
You people dont seem to be at all concerned . Hummmmm what makes people behave in that manner is what really should be, being questioned. Care to explain your lack of concern?

Other than nothing demonstrably harmful coming from them and the robust scientific explanation? I guess nothing really.

Just a technical point: you aren't questioning the nature of contrails; you have decided what they are already.

Other than nothing demonstrably harmful coming from them and the robust scientific explanation? I guess nothing really.

Just a technical point: you aren't questioning the nature of contrails; you have decided what they are already.

Nothing demonstrably harmful coming from them [/color] Total contamination of the land & the water supply every living thing on this planet depends on for survival . A monopolised move of corporately controlling all water stores & resources. The ability to hold populations to ransom. The ability to contaminate the atmosphere & water supply with any harmful agent they wish to. Are you that pharken stupid ?

Sounds harmful!

Now about the demonstrable part...

When I boil my kettle to make a cupper & then turn it off. The small amount of steam released from it, doesn't spread out & form a large cloud that floats around my kitchen for days.

I'm willing to bet that odors from some of your burnt meals have hung around for quite some time.
 

I can see your mentally challenged.

Perhaps, but at least I know the difference between "your" and "you're".

All those activities your describing are not a wilful act to deliberately set out to make clouds & modify weather.     

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

Oh really?

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81918

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

Oh really?

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81918

Did you even read that article that you linked?  How is a carbon fiber smoke cloud on the sea relevant high altitude contrails?

Quote from: flatulence on July 03, 2014, 06:57:11 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

Oh really?

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81918

Did you even read that article that you linked?  How is a carbon fiber smoke cloud on the sea relevant high altitude contrails?

Different method. Same goal.

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 07:09:31 PM

Quote from: flatulence on July 03, 2014, 06:57:11 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

Oh really?

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81918

Did you even read that article that you linked?  How is a carbon fiber smoke cloud on the sea relevant high altitude contrails?

Different method. Same goal.

Modifying the weather helps ships avoid incoming missiles? 

Quote from: flatulence on July 03, 2014, 07:17:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 07:09:31 PM

Quote from: flatulence on July 03, 2014, 06:57:11 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 03, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

And you haven't provided any evidence that high altitude contrails deliberately created to modify weather either.  Plenty of speculation, but no evidence.

Oh really?

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81918

Did you even read that article that you linked?  How is a carbon fiber smoke cloud on the sea relevant high altitude contrails?

Different method. Same goal.

Modifying the weather helps ships avoid incoming missiles? 

Do you expect a naval website to cite the real reason for the clouds if those reasons don't have the best intentions?

Do you expect a naval website to cite the real reason for the clouds if those reasons don't have the best intentions?

Do you expect a naval website to post anything at all about projects that don't have the best intentions?

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 03, 2014, 07:51:32 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 03, 2014, 07:49:23 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on July 02, 2014, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 02, 2014, 06:48:58 PM

Care to explain why theses trails left by planes are hanging around for extended time in the atmosphere & spreading out to form cloud.

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

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Care to tell us why there are companies advertising to supply planes for the purpose of seeding  clouds on the internet & why there are  companies advertising fit out of planes with dispersant tanks for atmosphere spraying. I thought it was not lawful to disperse chemical agents or compounds  in to the atmosphere. Even low altitude  crop dusting requires a licence with spraying to be contained to the area being sprayed. Spray drifting in to anthers owners air space or land & water ways being  punishable by Law.             

Selling a plane capable of dispersing chemicals is not the same as dispersing chemicals is it?

Gezz I dont know. Putting together a meth lab is not the same as cooking meth. But then you dont need a meth lab unless your cooking meth. Thats really a  tuff one to figure out.

Really?  So are you now saying there is no legitimate reason to seed clouds for rain or to spray pesticides on crops?

So know your admitting they are seeding clouds? Make up your mind, their ether dispersing chemical agents in to the atmosphere or their not ? At what altitude are they seeding theses clouds & releasing theses chemical agents & what chemicals are they using. I thought you were adamant its all condensation.   

Do you not understand what seeding clouds is?  ALso, please go back and quote me where I said that planes didn't seed clouds.

Quote from: flatulence on July 03, 2014, 07:24:40 PM

Do you expect a naval website to cite the real reason for the clouds if those reasons don't have the best intentions?

Do you expect a naval website to post anything at all about projects that don't have the best intentions?

A missile defense system may not have good intentions for everyone involved but the intentions are good at least for the party deploying said system, unlike what they are really used for.

Well will you be chowing down on GM food ? & drinking your toxic poison ?

Which has nothing to do with the existence of "chemtrails" so if you want to discuss those, please make another thread to do so.  Please don't muddle up the conversation with off topic subjects when you can't even back up your main arguments here.

So anyone who questions why their seeing the sky's littered with theses trails on a daily bases, according to your doctrine. Is in your opinion wearing a tinfoil hat & someone of unsound mind. I would have to say  a rational human would be some what concerned at seeing their sky continually  littered with theses trails daily.

Our skies are NOT "littered" with contrails every day Charles.  Again, you're simply dreaming and/or making things up.  I haven't seen any contrails in the sky for days, and I live near a RAAF base.  (For our overseas members, that's a government airfield.)  Charles is simply one of those people who make rash generalisations about stuff;  he happens to notice a couple of contrails one day, and then his paranoia sets in—the skies are "littered" with them LOL.

Further, his comparison with the steam from his kitchen kettle and contrails indicates that he has absolutely no idea how contrails are formed.  He seems to think that ice crystals are gonna form in his kitchen at room temperature, or clouds are gonna hover below his ceiling!  Better wear your raincoat next time you make a cuppa Charles.

Why present facts when you can rant about unsubstantiated claims and your only rebuttal to those that have different views is "of course they won't tell you what they are REALLY doing."

Why present facts when you can rant about unsubstantiated claims and your only rebuttal to those that have different views is "of course they won't tell you what they are REALLY doing."

What facts do you have? About anything...

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 04, 2014, 08:18:19 AM

Why present facts when you can rant about unsubstantiated claims and your only rebuttal to those that have different views is "of course they won't tell you what they are REALLY doing."

What facts do you have? About anything...

Wat?