ether theory and flat earth

The Michalson Morely experiment is famous for "disproving" the ether.

The ether theory goes back to alchemical days, and it was thought of as a scientific theory by Descartes, that it is the medium that light travels on.

It said that assuming the earth is moving, there should be a ether drift. There was no ether drift. The conclusion has to be either
1. That there is no ether
2. That we are on a stationary earth.

Because people assume the earth is moving they assume there is no ether.

However many scientist, including the inventor of vector calculus Oliver Heaviside, stated that there was an ether, and therefor transverse electromagnetic waves. Other scientist during the 20's and 30's stated there has to be a medium that light travels on. In maxwells equations the "displacement current" is used to describe how electricity can travel across a vacuum tube or capacitor with nothing but vacuum inside. How can electricity and light travel over vacuum or empty space? Light and electricity create force. So in a vacuum there must be a reactionary force to balance the forces. How can empty space or vacuum have a reactionary force as per Newton's laws, if there is nothing there.

Therefore there must be an ether, to react to the forces of light or electricity in a vacuum. Therefore we must be living on a stationary earth as per the Michalson Morely experiments!

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong? 

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Citations needed.

I will do better and post direct quotes.

Only the existence of a field of force can account for the motions of the bodies as observed, and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena.

http://aetherforce.com/nikola-teslas-most-suppressed-quote/

We may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an Aether. According to the general theory of relativity space without Aether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this Aether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories#Conjectures_and_proposals

Jroa, are you aware that scientists can change their minds when new evidence comes along.

Besides, none of this matters because the definition of classical aether and the fe definition of it are not at all alike. Classical aether is a theoretical space medium which allows light to propagate. The FE definition is a theoretical energy causing universal acceleration.

Note that Einstein says "the idea of motion may not be applied to [the aether]." So if you accept his conception of the aether, you have to accept that there is no such thing as "aetheric wind"

Jroa, are you aware that scientists can change their minds when new evidence comes along.

Besides, none of this matters because the definition of classical aether and the fe definition of it are not at all alike. Classical aether is a theoretical space medium which allows light to propagate. The FE definition is a theoretical energy causing universal acceleration.

In which years did either of those famous scientists change their minds, if you don't mind me asking? 

Quote from: rottingroom on June 08, 2014, 07:06:04 AM

Jroa, are you aware that scientists can change their minds when new evidence comes along.

Besides, none of this matters because the definition of classical aether and the fe definition of it are not at all alike. Classical aether is a theoretical space medium which allows light to propagate. The FE definition is a theoretical energy causing universal acceleration.

In which years did either of those famous scientists change their minds, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm not saying that I know for certain one way or the other. Whether he did or not isn't really useful for this discussion and it is especially not useful for our purposes because (as I said), the classical concept of aether is not the same concept as that which is used in these forums.

It does seem, upon some research, that Einstein did believe in aether when he wrote his special theory of relativity and that at the time, he assumed it must exist for his theories to be true. It was later found out that his equations still hold true even without the aether. Which negated a reason to continue to assume it exists since it's existence was only considered out of necessity and because it's necessity was found to erroneous, we can discard it at least until some evidence of it pops up.

Maybe the FES should rename what they like to called the aether so as to not confuse it with the classical version. It gives the perception that FE'rs are smart and that classical scientists agreed with them about things, when they clearly didn't.

Special Relativity was written in 1905.  The quote I cited was made in 1920.  I find nothing to indicate that Einstein had changed his mind after 1920. 

Special Relativity was written in 1905.  The quote I cited was made in 1920.  I find nothing to indicate that Einstein had changed his mind after 1920.

I hear you. I thought that I made it clear that I do not know the answer to your question. I am not Einstein. All I was able to dig up was that he at least did believe in aether at some point and that the concept of it was disregarded when it was found that we don't need it and then later it was completely dismissed when we actually learned that it absolutely does not exist.

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on proving that he believed it exists. Not only can a scientist change their mind but they can also be wrong. With the case of aether, we know he was wrong.

Now, I have been busy addressing your statements so please do me the honor of addressing mine.

You know that your version of the aether is not the same as the classical concept of it. Right?

So why do you talk about it and then bring up the classical version of aether?

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong? 

We can see here that not only are you misrepresenting your version of aether but you are doing some sort of reverse argument from authority as well.

Jroa, are you aware that scientists can change their minds when new evidence comes along.

Besides, none of this matters because the definition of classical aether and the fe definition of it are not at all alike. Classical aether is a theoretical space medium which allows light to propagate. The FE definition is a theoretical energy causing universal acceleration.

For the record, I believe in ether as a light medium, and not so much a Universal fuel.
Tesla believed his ideas on ether until the day he died.
I'm not sure about Einstein, though I do remember reading about him at least talking about ether as late as 1920.
Refer to Google if you'd like to read the lecture given by Einstein in the 20's called Ether and the Theory of Relativity (1920) or something along those lines.
Lorentz was another great mind of around that era that had built a framework for his own "ether".

Special Relativity was written in 1905.  The quote I cited was made in 1920.  I find nothing to indicate that Einstein had changed his mind after 1920.

The aether that Einstein abandoned in 1905 is not the same aether that he was talking about in the 1920s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%27s_views_on_the_aether#Einstein.27s_views_on_the_aether

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Quote from: jroa on June 07, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Can you provide a citation for these statements? 

Guys, lets not dribble over different Ether theries.

Oliver Heaviside invented vectors. He said there is an ether and therefor transverse electromagnetic waves....!

I do not care what ether theory you believe in as long as get that you can have transverse electromagnetic (and light) waves!

This totally puts planetary theory out in the garbage!

Keep in mind that atomic theory is based on planetary theory.

Most scientist of the 20s and 30s reject atomic theory.

Just like planetary theory has holes in it so does atomic theory.

The most notable scientist to reject atomic theory is JJ Thomson himself, saying that he did not discover electrons.

Albert Einstein is a plagiarist who is noted that saying that the secret to magic is hiding your sources.

People who do not know much about science think that Einstein discovered these things when in fact he is just reworded the Lorenz equations to keep people from getting to the real scientist who made breakthroughs in the early 20th century.

By the way, the person who discovered E=MC^2 was not Einstien. It is in the book "physics of the ether" by Samuel Preston.
Telegraphers in the early 1900s thought that circuit theory contradicted Maxwell's Equations.

This means that the equation V=IR does not work in electromagnetic theory, just like F=Ma. also FAILS as does the whole planetary and thus atomic model!!!!!!

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 08:39:42 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 07, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Can you provide a citation for these statements?

It is from an addendum to his 1906 paper: Über einen Satz der Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung und seine Anwendung in der Strahlungstheorie  where Einstein states:

"12.3.a The world is round, and anyone who says any different is a fuckwit"*



*translated from the original German

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists at NASA are great at brainwashing. 

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists at NASA are great at brainwashing.

Irrelevant. Not your aether.

Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2014, 12:58:47 PM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 08:39:42 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 07, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Can you provide a citation for these statements?

It is from an addendum to his 1906 paper: Über einen Satz der Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung und seine Anwendung in der Strahlungstheorie  where Einstein states:

"12.3.a The world is round, and anyone who says any different is a fuckwit"*



*translated from the original German

Very mature and sound argument, Jimmy.
Well done!

Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2014, 01:24:54 PM

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists at NASA are great at brainwashing.

Irrelevant. Not your aether.

This is irrelevant to what I said. 

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 01:22:52 PM

Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2014, 12:58:47 PM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 08:39:42 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 07, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Can you provide a citation for these statements?

It is from an addendum to his 1906 paper: Über einen Satz der Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung und seine Anwendung in der Strahlungstheorie  where Einstein states:

"12.3.a The world is round, and anyone who says any different is a fuckwit"*



*translated from the original German

Very mature and sound argument, Jimmy.
Well done!

That is an actual quote - I have the paper right here in front of me.  Have you read the paper? Or are you just being sarcastic out of ignorance?

Quote from: rottingroom on June 09, 2014, 01:28:34 PM

Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2014, 01:24:54 PM

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists at NASA are great at brainwashing.

Irrelevant. Not your aether.

This is irrelevant to what I said.

Irrelevant.

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists at NASA are great at brainwashing.

Most scientists believed the Earth was round up until the tima NASA was effected. And they keep to believe that. Who managed the conspiracy before?

Most scientists believed in the Aether up until around the time that NASA was effected.  The satanists Nazis at NASA are great at brainwashing.

Fixed.

Ether theory proves tranverse light waves can exist.
That means that light can travel at different speeds.

This means that what you see in the sky, cannot be translated into distances!

Most scientist did not have the internet in the 20's and 30's to speculate that there are valid arguements that the earth is not round!

But they did reject the atomic theory which is BASED on the planetary model!

Lets see a flat earther or a round erther respond to^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that!

Shut up about Einsten.
Samual Preston stated that the energy is proportianal to mass times the speed of light squared.
Transverse waves and ether thus stating that the speed of light is *not* constant!
His book "physics of the ether" was writen before Einstien's theories that conjected E=mc^2!!!!

respond to that

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on June 09, 2014, 01:29:14 PM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 01:22:52 PM

Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2014, 12:58:47 PM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2014, 08:39:42 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 07, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the Aether.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

*yawn*

Both Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla believed in the round earth.  Were both of them so stupid that they got it all wrong?

Can you provide a citation for these statements?

It is from an addendum to his 1906 paper: Über einen Satz der Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung und seine Anwendung in der Strahlungstheorie  where Einstein states:

"12.3.a The world is round, and anyone who says any different is a fuckwit"*



*translated from the original German

Very mature and sound argument, Jimmy.
Well done!

That is an actual quote - I have the paper right here in front of me.  Have you read the paper? Or are you just being sarcastic out of ignorance?

I might believe you if this wasn't published in 1910.
I'm assuming you own the issue of Annalen der Physik that this was originally printed in?
Funny then, how you could read the entire article from the 1910 publication, translate it to cite it, but not know the journal itself was from 1910. Very interesting.
Once again, very mature and sound argument Jimmy.

Also, the way the spaces are in your post I can tell you copy & pasted "Über einen Satz der Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung und seine Anwendung in der Strahlungstheorie".
Peculiar, if you are fluent in German, and/or live in Germany.