Einstein's Thought Experiments

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Einstein's Thought Experiments
« on: June 06, 2014, 12:10:25 PM »
Based on this comment, I was wondering if a FEer could tell me specifically which of Einstein's thought experiments are based on a FE?

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 12:15:18 PM »
Pretty much all of them.  Einstein always seemed to come up with stuff that makes you think that the Earth could be flat.  It seems that he could not flat out come out and say it, but if you read his quotes, he was obviously a flat Earther. 

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 12:16:31 PM »
Pretty much all of them.  Einstein always seemed to come up with stuff that makes you think that the Earth could be flat.  It seems that he could not flat out come out and say it, but if you read his quotes, he was obviously a flat Earther.

Could you please answer the question asked.  I would like specific examples.  A bit of rationale would be appreciated as well.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 12:19:02 PM »
Einstein aether theory

Rama, google is your friend. I don't want to have to tell you to google something again, especially when your entire thread is based around not googling.

You are extremely frustrating to deal with, Rama Set.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 12:32:40 PM »
Einstein aether theory
Einstein

Rama, google is your friend. I don't want to have to tell you to google something again, especially when your entire thread is based around not googling.

You are extremely frustrating to deal with, Rama Set.

What does this have to do with a FE?  Specifically, this theory effects the behavior of the graviton, something that is often prohibited in FE hypotheses.

In regards to your complaint, I did google Einstein and Flat Earth and this site came up.  I am working under the assumption that most of these FE thought experiments are specific interpretations unique to the FES.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 12:58:57 PM »

What does this have to do with a FE?  Specifically, this theory effects the behavior of the graviton, something that is often prohibited in FE hypotheses.

In regards to your complaint, I did google Einstein and Flat Earth and this site came up.  I am working under the assumption that most of these FE thought experiments are specific interpretations unique to the FES.

What?  I think you interneted wrong. 
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 07:31:58 PM by jroa »

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 01:04:09 PM »
Einstein aether theory
Einstein

Rama, google is your friend. I don't want to have to tell you to google something again, especially when your entire thread is based around not googling.

You are extremely frustrating to deal with, Rama Set.

What does this have to do with a FE?  Specifically, this theory effects the behavior of the graviton, something that is often prohibited in FE hypotheses.

In regards to your complaint, I did google Einstein and Flat Earth and this site came up.  I am working under the assumption that most of these FE thought experiments are specific interpretations unique to the FES.

What?  I think you interneted wrong.

Good talk.  Anything to offer in regards to the thread?
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 01:24:29 PM »
You are such a disappoint, Rama Set. 

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 05:32:57 PM »
So Vauxhall and Jroa don't have much to offer. Anyone else?
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 08:26:30 PM »
I'm not surprised that Vauxhall and jroa did not notice that this "Einstein aether theory" wasn't proposed by Einstein. It's a combination of general relativity plus aether, hence the name. It's also referred to as just "aether theory". I also noticed "aetheric winds" were conspicuously absent from the article.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 03:52:35 AM »
Don't forget that the word "aether" nowadays has no definitive meaning as it was 100+ years ago. You can call aether the Minkovski space, or the vacuum energy, or any other field that "fills" the space.

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 06:52:50 AM »
The most damning thought experiment that leads directly to the revelation that the Earth is Flat is the equivalence principle. http://theflatearthsociety.net/relativity.html

This is to mention nothing of his Zionist leanings.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2014, 07:19:01 AM »
The most damning thought experiment that leads directly to the revelation that the Earth is Flat is the equivalence principle. http://theflatearthsociety.net/relativity.html

This is to mention nothing of his Zionist leanings.

I'm afraid that the equivalence principle, while reminiscent of what one might think is happening on a flat earth, is actually more hindering your cause than anything else. The equivalence principle is calls for the platform to have a homogenous acceleration for the entire platform. Gravitation has an explanation for this. The explanation did not need to come out of thin air for necessity's sake either. It was always expected. The fact that gravitation on earth is not homogenous poses problems for FET that make it so you have to invoke theories about celestial gears and aetheric whirlpools. Both of which are ridiculous.

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2014, 12:00:49 PM »
Don't forget that the word "aether" nowadays has no definitive meaning as it was 100+ years ago. You can call aether the Minkovski space, or the vacuum energy, or any other field that "fills" the space.

Which was Einstein's use of the word.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2014, 09:55:23 AM »
I would like to renew the call for an example of Einstein's work that uses or supports a FE. So far all that has been cited is some vague talk of Aether, which does not support any earth shape and a misinterpretation of the equivalence principle, which although shoe-horned in to justifying UA does not show that Einstein was supporting a FE or using it in his thought experiments.

I would be interested into seeing what else is out there.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2014, 03:37:23 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2014, 03:54:19 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2014, 04:07:41 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

This is incorrect.  Although the Earth does not have a perfectly uniform "Gravitational" field, it has easily been explained many times.  This does not disprove UA, nor does it prove that gravity exists.  Please try again. 

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2014, 04:58:04 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

This is incorrect.  Although the Earth does not have a perfectly uniform "Gravitational" field, it has easily been explained many times.  This does not disprove UA, nor does it prove that gravity exists.  Please try again. 
So how do you explain differences in measured gravity if the acceleration is uniform???
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2014, 05:03:19 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

This is incorrect.  Although the Earth does not have a perfectly uniform "Gravitational" field, it has easily been explained many times.  This does not disprove UA, nor does it prove that gravity exists.  Please try again. 
So how do you explain differences in measured gravity if the acceleration is uniform???

My theory is that the force of the Universal Acceleration penetrates the Earth, but due to the composition of the Earth's crust, it does not penetrate it evenly. 

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2014, 05:26:13 PM »
So you don't have an explanation, just a contender for one without anything to support it or a model which can make accurate predictions?
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2014, 05:27:53 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

This is incorrect.  Although the Earth does not have a perfectly uniform "Gravitational" field, it has easily been explained many times.  This does not disprove UA, nor does it prove that gravity exists.  Please try again.

Your explanations don't satisfy me. Re explanations involving centripetal and centrifugal forces are satisfying. They are concepts that we know exists with spinning balls. Your explanations are things that must be added to account for problems. Presented without evidence. Baseless and useless.

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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2014, 06:25:15 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

This is incorrect.  Although the Earth does not have a perfectly uniform "Gravitational" field, it has easily been explained many times.  This does not disprove UA, nor does it prove that gravity exists.  Please try again.

Your explanations don't satisfy me. Re explanations involving centripetal and centrifugal forces are satisfying. They are concepts that we know exists with spinning balls. Your explanations are things that must be added to account for problems. Presented without evidence. Baseless and useless.

I can assure you that your satisfaction is not my top concern. 

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2014, 06:26:36 PM »
Okay... They don't satisfy anyone.

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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2014, 08:18:55 PM »
Its clearly not a misuse of the Equivalence principle. Its just a use you aren't familiar with.

It clearly is. The equivalence principle has an elevator with UNIFORM acceleration. Since the earth doesn't have uniform acceleration or gravitation. Its misused. It also conveniently shows that UA is false.

We are talking of an infinite set of theoretic non-accelerating satellites orbiting the earth, not the Earth. To be more to the point, we are talking about the general case of this instance - non-accelerating satellites orbiting an object.

  If it says anything about UA, it gives it a possible mechanic.
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2014, 09:42:28 AM »
The most damning thought experiment that leads directly to the revelation that the Earth is Flat is the equivalence principle. http://theflatearthsociety.net/relativity.html

This is to mention nothing of his Zionist leanings.

His zionist leanings?  Would you care to elaborate on that?
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Re: Einstein's Thought Experiments
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2014, 09:54:23 AM »
The most damning thought experiment that leads directly to the revelation that the Earth is Flat is the equivalence principle. http://theflatearthsociety.net/relativity.html

This is to mention nothing of his Zionist leanings.

His zionist leanings?  Would you care to elaborate on that?

His zionist leanings have nothing to do with science.  They were political views he espoused for a time, that is all.
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