Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?

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Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« on: June 01, 2014, 05:46:52 AM »
So Virgin Galactic has been cleared by the FAA to start doing suborbital space flights.  If the passengers come back with pictures of a round earth are they part of the conspiracy too? http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff


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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 06:17:48 AM »
Some of our members certainly think so. James, for instance, has written a bit on the subject linking their symbol use to Satan.

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 06:21:50 AM »
Some of our members certainly think so. James, for instance, has written a bit on the subject linking their symbol use to Satan.

Now that's the first I've heard any reference of Satan being in on the Conspiracy.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 06:48:49 AM »
Well to be fair, I'm uncertain that James believes Satan is real. He only seemed to note, iirc, that the symbolism was tied to Satanic belief. To use an analogy, it would be like saying that since an organization uses Christian symbology, Christ is in on that organization.

However, many flat earth writers have talked in depth about Satan's role in the conspiracy. I know it turns up now and then in Wardlaws work. You will see now and then claims that the goal of those who have laid the foundations for belief in a round earth (though not those duped into such a belief) are working to show God and the Bible as liars.

To be clear, this is not a stance I personally put any merit towards.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 07:14:41 AM »
James is a Christian?  ???

Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 07:27:18 AM »
Regardless of Virgin Galactic's motives, symbology et al, it is certainly an interesting development. A couple of years ago, it was continually purported on these boards that this Virgin Galactic project would never get off the ground (excuse the pun, if you will) and that it was all an elaborate ruse to take peoples' money for something that Virgin never had any intention of bringing to fruition.

Perhaps this new development is another delaying tactic. Perhaps everything will be given the green light, only for a last moment issue causing the entire project to be abandoned. That said, the reports, it seems as though they are certainly advancing the programme, as opposed to throwing up issues.

I still feel this is a little early to begin speculating on what potential customers will view on these flights at this stage, but we're certainly one step closer to be able to bring that to the table.

 
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 11:51:04 AM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
why would NASA who is all powerful (according to FE doctrine)  give an independent company 1 Billion American dollars?
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 12:03:28 PM »
why would NASA who is all powerful (according to FE doctrine)  give an dependent company 1 Billion American dollars?

Only NASA and Virgin Galactic can answer that.  Maybe Satan can as well, but we should stick to seeking answers from the two entities that are physical. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 12:04:56 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2014, 12:07:36 PM »
why would NASA who is all powerful (according to FE doctrine)  give an dependent company 1 Billion American dollars?
Their pockets are deep enough to perpetuate the great lie by any means.


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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 12:08:06 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2014, 12:13:38 PM »
so now Virgin Galactic is now all powerful? The conspiracy is so confusing.

Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2014, 12:37:26 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

If you buy something at the store, and return it later, do you get interest?

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2014, 01:13:09 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

If you buy something at the store, and return it later, do you get interest?

No, but the store delivers their promises. 

Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2014, 01:28:00 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

If you buy something at the store, and return it later, do you get interest?

No, but the store delivers their promises.

Are you saying you've never had to return an item to the store?  Or you just don't think Virgin will deliver on this?

Virgin has been around for a very long time, record store, mobile phone company (which I use), airline, and now space tourism.  I have no doubts that they fully intend to take tourist to space.  If they were not able to fulfill this, it would look very badly on the rest of the company and could cause it to collapse.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2014, 01:52:47 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

If you buy something at the store, and return it later, do you get interest?

No, but the store delivers their promises.

Are you saying you've never had to return an item to the store?  Or you just don't think Virgin will deliver on this?

Virgin has been around for a very long time, record store, mobile phone company (which I use), airline, and now space tourism.  I have no doubts that they fully intend to take tourist to space.  If they were not able to fulfill this, it would look very badly on the rest of the company and could cause it to collapse.

No, I am saying that a billion dollars later, they have yet to deliver.  When will the first tourist flight be launched? 

Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2014, 02:10:34 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars, and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?

Well the article is saying the FAA cleared them, and they are expected to do their first flight later this year.  Not to mention that any money you put towards a trip is refundable.  If I won the lottery I'd be putting down my deposit.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Do they pay you interest when they refund you money?  No?  So, they use your capital and when you ask for it back, they pocket the difference?  Does this not sound like a scheme to you?  At least a bank would give you a little extra for the privilege of holding your money for years.

If you buy something at the store, and return it later, do you get interest?

No, but the store delivers their promises.

Are you saying you've never had to return an item to the store?  Or you just don't think Virgin will deliver on this?

Virgin has been around for a very long time, record store, mobile phone company (which I use), airline, and now space tourism.  I have no doubts that they fully intend to take tourist to space.  If they were not able to fulfill this, it would look very badly on the rest of the company and could cause it to collapse.

No, I am saying that a billion dollars later, they have yet to deliver.  When will the first tourist flight be launched?

"What is even more exciting is that thanks to a deal with the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Virgin Galactic hope to start sending their first customers to suborbital space from the U.S. by the end of 2014." - From the Article

Read more at http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff#iUGEq57iVotCcFW2.99

Also I can not find any record of the 1 billion NASA gave Virgin, I do see a contract to deliver items to the ISS, but no free money.  Is this what you are referring to?

As far as time wise goes, it took NASA 5 years for the Mercury project to deliver a person at 1.73 billion dollars, and that wasn't for tourism.  So it seems Virgin on a timescale isn't doing to bad.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2014, 05:48:09 PM »
Virgin Galactic is simply a money laundering scheme.  NASA has given them nearly a billion dollars[Citation Required], and so far, not a single space tourist has been launched into space.  Maybe they just need another billion before they start flying people into orbit?  Who knows?
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2014, 05:55:43 AM »
As I anticipated, we are yet to be at a satisfactory juncture in the development of Virgin Galactic, to warrant a discussion of any potential evidence it yields. Certainly closer to that point with this latest news, but that is irrelevant.

Perhaps once flights have commenced and people begin YouTubing Earth from Space videos, will RE proponents have evidence to bring, and like have dismissed, by FE proponents.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 06:34:43 AM »
Well, as they say, you've got to write it before you can cut it.

-Likewise- you have to build your billion pound luxury business venture, take your 200k passengers to 110km and bring them home with their pictures and their stories before a handful of hold-outs can dismiss it all as fake, or barrel distortion, or apparently even the work of satan or something, now :)
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 01:25:43 PM »
So Virgin Galactic has been cleared by the FAA to start doing suborbital space flights.  If the passengers come back with pictures of a round earth are they part of the conspiracy too? http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff



Why don't you wait until (or if) passengers return with their photos? There is nothing to discuss here.
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 02:16:15 PM »
So Virgin Galactic has been cleared by the FAA to start doing suborbital space flights.  If the passengers come back with pictures of a round earth are they part of the conspiracy too? http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff



Why don't you wait until (or if) passengers return with their photos? There is nothing to discuss here.

Cause I've been super bored the last week.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2014, 02:34:56 PM »
So Virgin Galactic has been cleared by the FAA to start doing suborbital space flights.  If the passengers come back with pictures of a round earth are they part of the conspiracy too? http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff



Why don't you wait until (or if) passengers return with their photos? There is nothing to discuss here.

Cause I've been super bored the last week.

Why don't you read a book which challenges your assumptions? I recommend you start with The Problems of Philosophy by Bertrand Russell.
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2014, 03:01:00 PM »
So Virgin Galactic has been cleared by the FAA to start doing suborbital space flights.  If the passengers come back with pictures of a round earth are they part of the conspiracy too? http://www.iflscience.com/space/virgin-galactic-cleared-takeoff



Why don't you wait until (or if) passengers return with their photos? There is nothing to discuss here.

Cause I've been super bored the last week.

Why don't you read a book which challenges your assumptions? I recommend you start with The Problems of Philosophy by Bertrand Russell.

I'm enjoying my assumptions being challenged here and in other threads and then researching them further.  Plus I'm a big non-fiction reader when I go for enjoyment reading ;)

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2014, 03:17:29 PM »
We made it to the moon in less than a decade back in the 60s with the processing power of a pocket calculator.  How long has Virgin Galactic been trying to get into low Earth orbit?  Hmmm... something is not adding up here. 

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2014, 03:29:09 PM »
We made it to the moon in less than a decade back in the 60s with the processing power of a pocket calculator.  How long has Virgin Galactic been trying to get into low Earth orbit?  Hmmm... something is not adding up here.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2014, 05:09:50 PM »
:D

We built nuclear weapons from scratch in a few years in the 40s during wartime yet today, pretty capable nations like the DPRK and Iran are still struggling to do so after decades of trying with most of a century of data and technological development on their side.
Hmmm... something is not adding up here. 

The largest automotive companies on earth spent decades working on driverless cars and all were sure they were a decade or two away at least. The technology just wasn't there we were told! Yet now, Google has almost done it, seemingly overnight and these companies still don't even know how!
Hmmm... something is not adding up here. 

Sometimes one thing isn't the same as another thing... Yet they're both "thing"s...
Hmmm... something is not adding up here. 
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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2014, 05:15:00 PM »
We made it to the moon in less than a decade back in the 60s with the processing power of a pocket calculator.  How long has Virgin Galactic been trying to get into low Earth orbit?  Hmmm... something is not adding up here.

I would imagine it has something to do with redesigning everything from almost the ground up.  You've got to remember that Virgin first started in the SpaceX games, not with scientists who'd also been working with nuclear rockets.

They're also working on designing reusable re-entry vehicles, and have to design it to maximum safety for the public.  This like all things takes time.

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Re: Is VirginGalactic part of the Conspiracy?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2014, 06:36:05 AM »
We made it to the moon in less than a decade back in the 60s with the processing power of a pocket calculator.  How long has Virgin Galactic been trying to get into low Earth orbit?  Hmmm... something is not adding up here.
First of all, VG isn't trying to get into low earth orbit (at least not yet).  Secondly, VG is working towards far more strict safety standard than NASA, who has lost 3% of their astronauts to fatal accidents.  An airline that loses 3% of their customers in accidents isn't likely to stay in business very long.
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