Foucault pendulums

Quote from: LukeB

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Let me get this straight, you have pictures of the pendulum but you're not going to post them? I guess I'm the only one here with enough balls to back up my claims.

You academics have more time on your hands for this sort of thing.

If that is your foucault pendulum... can I borrow some money from you?

There's good money in pendulums.  My grandpappy made a fortune smuggling pendulums during WWII.  Blew it all on slow women and loose horses.  A tragic tale really.

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2014, 02:26:33 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 02:24:26 PM

Quote from: LukeB

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Let me get this straight, you have pictures of the pendulum but you're not going to post them? I guess I'm the only one here with enough balls to back up my claims.

I guess it's kind of hard to back up claims that were lies all along, huh? 

I clearly just posted mine.

If that is your foucault pendulum... can I borrow some money from you?

Sceptic is the local millionaire, ask him.

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 02:28:17 PM

If that is your foucault pendulum... can I borrow some money from you?

There's good money in pendulums.  My grandpappy made a fortune smuggling pendulums during WWII.  Blew it all on slow women and loose horses.  A tragic tale really.

I don't think your grandfather was a bright man.

Sceptic is the local millionaire, ask him.

I'm asking you. You obviously have some money if you own the foucault pendulum at the Panthéon in Paris... 

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2014, 02:40:55 PM

Sceptic is the local millionaire, ask him.

I'm asking you. You obviously have some money if you own the foucault pendulum at the Panthéon in Paris... 

It's my picture, I resized it.

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 02:41:51 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2014, 02:40:55 PM

Sceptic is the local millionaire, ask him.

I'm asking you. You obviously have some money if you own the foucault pendulum at the Panthéon in Paris... 

It's my picture, I resized it.

Don't get so defensive. I wasn't accusing you of anything. Guilty conscience?

I'm actively in communication with Dr Agbanusi - the real one; it seems we may have a case of identity theft here. Vauxhall, you are now risking a police investigation into your actions as there may have been other instances of this occurring. This is very serious - if I were you, I'd start telling the truth immediately before you make this worse.

I'm actively in communication with Dr Agbanusi - the real one; it seems we may have a case of identity theft here. Vauxhall, you are now risking a police investigation into your actions as there may have been other instances of this occurring. If I were you, I'd start telling the truth immediately before you make this worse.

You're bluffing, but fine. If you want to know the truth then it's not me in the picture. But the picture looks very similar to one that I made in the early 2000s. Now where is your pendulum?

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 02:55:03 PM

I'm actively in communication with Dr Agbanusi - the real one; it seems we may have a case of identity theft here. Vauxhall, you are now risking a police investigation into your actions as there may have been other instances of this occurring. If I were you, I'd start telling the truth immediately before you make this worse.

You're bluffing, but fine. If you want to know the truth then it's not me in the picture. But the picture looks very similar to one that I made in the early 2000s. Now where is your pendulum?

My pendulum was at a school; I remember mentioning that it was during a lesson so I do not have photos of the pendulum itself but it's probably still there somewhere though. I have also seen others though such as the one at Griffith Observatory.

No actually I'm genuinely not. Obviously, people are incredibly concerned when there's other people using their identity, something which you have clearly just done on the internet. I'll be continually elevating it as long as you keep on being someone you are not.

No actually I'm genuinely not. Obviously, people are incredibly concerned when there's other people using their identity, something which you have clearly just done on the internet. I'll be continually elevating it as long as you keep on being someone you are not.

I'm sure, LukeB.
Considering you're the one who pointed out what his name actually was, and my original crop was intended so as not to reveal anyone's identity. I only claimed that I was him when you backed me into a corner, even then I didn't even mention his name. If you want to play dirty, I can play that game too. But I suggest taking any legal matter into PMs or at least email me about it, because you really don't have much of a case here. You can keep fooling yourself though, if you'd like. 


As for the point at hand, you've plainly stated that you have photos of the pendulum. What's so hard about posting them?

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 03:10:12 PM

No actually I'm genuinely not. Obviously, people are incredibly concerned when there's other people using their identity, something which you have clearly just done on the internet. I'll be continually elevating it as long as you keep on being someone you are not.

I'm sure, LukeB.
Considering you're the one who pointed out what his name actually was, and my original crop was intended so as not to reveal anyone's identity. I only claimed that I was him when you backed me into a corner, even then I didn't even mention his name. If you want to play dirty, I can play that game too. But I suggest taking any legal matter into PMs or at least email me about it, because you really don't have much of a case here. You can keep fooling yourself though, if you'd like. 


As for the point at hand, you've plainly stated that you have photos of the pendulum. What's so hard about posting them?

Quote from: LukeB

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Vauxhall, coincidentally not even from Illinois (we have far more of a case than you probably think), you have clearly claimed to be someone you are not. It wasn't me who pointed out who the real person was - you actually gave us all we needed to find out. We didn't back you into a corner either; you put yourself in one by posting something that wasn't true at all, then fabricated it and even stole an identity to make your false story appear true. This is what criminals do; I was never expecting to come across that on this forum.

"I only claimed that I was him" by this you're presumably admitting it, but I think it's too late; I can try and defuse the situation but I obviously can't control the actions of people now involved.

Also, as you appear to be completely oblivious to how serious this is, a "lab" is not the same thing as a "pendulum".

I'm still waiting on those pictures.

....they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

You claimed here that you have pictures of the pendulum and that it's "not moving". Post these pictures.

I'm still waiting on those pictures.

Quote from: LukeB

....they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

You claimed here that you have pictures of the pendulum and that it's "not moving". Post these pictures.

I'm not sure if you are trolling or are just dumb. He clearly said he didn't want to post them because you would say that the pendulum isn't moving.

Our pendulum was of course used during a lesson - not exactly the time where people naturally pull out cameras; I was however a bit of an unusual student because I made a video about the history of the school itself. From this I do have an unusually large amount of photos and videos of the outside of the buildings, so I can at least give a rough idea of how high/wide the room was.

During a lesson. I do not have photos or videos of the pendulum moving. I made a video of the history of the school and ended up recording in most of the rooms, outside lesson time, so I felt like just maybe I had caught the pendulum at the side of one of those pictures/ videos (as it has basically lived at the side of the room on top of a bookcase since it was made).

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Again, here I was referring to the fact that any picture found would literally have been a weight sitting on top of a shelf, as again, it was out of lesson time, with a wire going off up to the roof. "You saying this doesn't show anything useful" is probably a better way of describing what I meant here.

Here is mine,

You obviously got that from the internet.  Or, are you now claiming to be Dr. Tom Engels?  Perhaps I should contact Dr. Engels to verify that you are him and if not, suggest legal actions?  Or, wait, that would be childish, don't you think?

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

It's all over Google.  It's also posted HERE.

What's the problem exactly?
 

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2014, 02:10:49 PM

Here is mine,

You obviously got that from the internet.  Or, are you now claiming to be Dr. Tom Engels?  Perhaps I should contact Dr. Engels to verify that you are him and if not, suggest legal actions?  Or, wait, that would be childish, don't you think?

Not as childish as explicitly claiming the work as his own, and then when challenged claiming to be the person in the photo.

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 01:12:12 PM

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

It's all over Google.  It's also posted HERE.

What's the problem exactly?
 

ausGeoff, what is that link?  The network security here at my work won't let me go there and I get a warning that says it is pornagraphy and my phone tells me that I have to install software in order to view the page.

Quote from: ausGeoff on May 24, 2014, 08:45:53 PM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 01:12:12 PM

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

It's all over Google.  It's also posted HERE.

What's the problem exactly?
 

ausGeoff, what is that link?  The network security here at my work won't let me go there and I get a warning that says it is pornagraphy and my phone tells me that I have to install software in order to view the page.

Hehe being a page about fractals I guess you could call it porno for mathematicians

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2014, 07:37:35 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2014, 02:10:49 PM

Here is mine,

You obviously got that from the internet.  Or, are you now claiming to be Dr. Tom Engels?  Perhaps I should contact Dr. Engels to verify that you are him and if not, suggest legal actions?  Or, wait, that would be childish, don't you think?

Not as childish as explicitly claiming the work as his own, and then when challenged claiming to be the person in the photo.

Mine claim was obviously a lie. Vauxhall's claims are just as obvious lies as mine.

ausGeoff, what is that link?  The network security here at my work won't let me go there and I get a warning that says it is pornagraphy and my phone tells me that I have to install software in order to view the page.

No porno and no addons necessary jroa.  This is its URL:

http[colon]//funny-pictures[dot]picphotos[dot]net/fun-with-fractals-some-art-generated-by-my-matlab-to-draw-fractals/1/

The image in question is on page 4.

So, Vauxhall is a proven liar.

Sort of knew that already. 

What gets me is how he'll really go to bat in defense of his invented positions. That's the part I don't understand. Trolling is as old as the tubes, but he almost seems to believe his own nonsense and get offended when we don't.

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2014, 10:21:44 PM

ausGeoff, what is that link?  The network security here at my work won't let me go there and I get a warning that says it is pornagraphy and my phone tells me that I have to install software in order to view the page.

No porno and no addons necessary jroa.  This is its URL:

http[colon]//funny-pictures[dot]picphotos[dot]net/fun-with-fractals-some-art-generated-by-my-matlab-to-draw-fractals/1/

The image in question is on page 4.

Well, now that I am home and am using a secure operating system, I can view the page.  I now see that the triggers were probably bondage and Pink Power Ranger.  I am not clicking on any links on that dirty page, and I suggest the same to everyone else. 

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 24, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM

I have never been able to see one

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 10:36:25 AM

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:54:26 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 24, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM

I have never been able to see one

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 10:36:25 AM

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect - in that case a few dominoes were placed around the low point and it took roughly that long for them to all be knocked over suggesting there was at least a "sideways" component; it did take a couple tries to get the swing down the middle of the dominoes though Public viewable pendulums often do the same thing too.

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 25, 2014, 09:06:28 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:54:26 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 24, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM

I have never been able to see one

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 10:36:25 AM

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect - in that case a few dominoes were placed around the low point and it took roughly that long for them to all be knocked over suggesting there was at least a "sideways" component; it did take a couple tries to get the swing down the middle of the dominoes though Public viewable pendulums often do the same thing too.

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect What effect is that exactly ? The earth is not a perfect spherical centre of mass, Which causes your pendulum to has a pivoting point or the hot air piffle blown up naive peoples clackers  that the earth is rotating. 
     

Quote from: LukeB on May 25, 2014, 09:31:32 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 25, 2014, 09:06:28 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:54:26 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 24, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM

I have never been able to see one

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 10:36:25 AM

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect - in that case a few dominoes were placed around the low point and it took roughly that long for them to all be knocked over suggesting there was at least a "sideways" component; it did take a couple tries to get the swing down the middle of the dominoes though Public viewable pendulums often do the same thing too.

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect What effect is that exactly ? The earth is not a perfect spherical centre of mass, Which causes your pendulum to has a pivoting point or the hot air piffle blown up naive peoples clackers  that the earth is rotating. 
   

The effect is well documented. How imperfect is the spherical earth and is it significant?

Quote from: LukeB on May 25, 2014, 09:31:32 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 25, 2014, 09:06:28 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:54:26 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 24, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: LukeB on May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 09:51:06 AM

I have never been able to see one

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 24, 2014, 10:36:25 AM

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect - in that case a few dominoes were placed around the low point and it took roughly that long for them to all be knocked over suggesting there was at least a "sideways" component; it did take a couple tries to get the swing down the middle of the dominoes though Public viewable pendulums often do the same thing too.

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect What effect is that exactly ? The earth is not a perfect spherical centre of mass, Which causes your pendulum to has a pivoting point or the hot air piffle blown up naive peoples clackers  that the earth is rotating. 
   

If that was the case, the pendulum would align itself with the center or gravity and then stop it's rotation. This is never observed.

Again, the pendulum is going to move towards the centre of mass, wherever that is. The earth being a sphere or not doesn't change that.

And as for the pivot point you keep going on about, of course a pendulum has a pivot point. How else could it swing?