Theory: the moon, sun and stars are just reflections

Ok, nice and easy, let's start with your sun.

Ok, nice and easy, let's start with your sun.

Ok, which property of the sun? Size, distance?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 12, 2014, 08:04:57 AM

Ok, nice and easy, let's start with your sun.

Ok, which property of the sun? Size, distance?

Take your pick, we will do it all one at a time. Start with whichever you want to. Remember though, you're dealing with me, so go easy, do it simple, explain it in easy terms and do not add gunk into it, as you know how allergic I am to scientific fantasy junk.

Quote from: rottingroom on June 12, 2014, 08:06:44 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 12, 2014, 08:04:57 AM

Ok, nice and easy, let's start with your sun.

Ok, which property of the sun? Size, distance?

Take your pick, we will do it all one at a time. Start with whichever you want to. Remember though, you're dealing with me, so go easy, do it simple, explain it in easy terms and do not add gunk into it, as you know how allergic I am to scientific fantasy junk.

Answer scientific questions while avoiding using science?

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I see the dome all the time. I see all the reflections on it. I see the icicles falling from it. I see the sun reflected off it, as well as the moon, etc.

Again, no direct answer. What about the volcano that you describe that no one can see? Or the elemental makeup of the dome you've never been to?

I'm guessing you don't answer is because answering would mean admitting you're guilty of the same thing you accuse RE's of... believing in something you have no actual knowledge of.

The only difference is your bullshit isn't from a book, just one of your fever dreams.

What volcano is this then?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 04:28:59 AM

The central sun ejects periodic debris in earth and also the ice dome drops icicles, periodically.
What you see as slow comets with tails, are icicles of helium/hydrogen interacting with the heavier gases below them, creating the tails but also creating the slow movement, due to the frozen gases being resisted by the heavier gases.
The central sun ejects debris which you will see as super fast shooting stars.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:26:54 AM

Icicles, 99 times out of 100 will evaporate in the far upper atmosphere over time.
The central sun will have volcanoes around it, ejecting debris into the air and back down.
Just like a coal fire will spit hot fragments at you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:51:36 AM

Why haven't they been discovered?
The very same reason why the ice dome foundation will never be discovered.
Instant death for anyone who gets remotely close.
If you're thinking of a little north pole and believe it's all been conquered, then it's not surprising your stance will be to reject it out of hand.

Until you go on a mission yourself to see how far you would get, you will never know the real truth and even then you may not find it.

Again, how do you know all these things without actually seeing them?

How do you know the things you know without seeing them?

So you're full of shit but are too much of a coward to admit it. Gotcha.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on June 12, 2014, 08:04:57 AM

Ok, nice and easy, let's start with your sun.

Ok, which property of the sun? Size, distance?

Take your pick, we will do it all one at a time. Start with whichever you want to. Remember though, you're dealing with me, so go easy, do it simple, explain it in easy terms and do not add gunk into it, as you know how allergic I am to scientific fantasy junk.

Answer scientific questions while avoiding using science?

Lies is not science, so there's real science and global science. I prefer the real science, not sci-fi.

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Quote from: Whiskey on June 11, 2014, 04:10:34 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 11, 2014, 01:21:06 PM

Quote from: Whiskey on June 11, 2014, 01:14:05 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 11, 2014, 12:47:49 PM

I see the dome all the time. I see all the reflections on it. I see the icicles falling from it. I see the sun reflected off it, as well as the moon, etc.

Again, no direct answer. What about the volcano that you describe that no one can see? Or the elemental makeup of the dome you've never been to?

I'm guessing you don't answer is because answering would mean admitting you're guilty of the same thing you accuse RE's of... believing in something you have no actual knowledge of.

The only difference is your bullshit isn't from a book, just one of your fever dreams.

What volcano is this then?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 04:28:59 AM

The central sun ejects periodic debris in earth and also the ice dome drops icicles, periodically.
What you see as slow comets with tails, are icicles of helium/hydrogen interacting with the heavier gases below them, creating the tails but also creating the slow movement, due to the frozen gases being resisted by the heavier gases.
The central sun ejects debris which you will see as super fast shooting stars.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:26:54 AM

Icicles, 99 times out of 100 will evaporate in the far upper atmosphere over time.
The central sun will have volcanoes around it, ejecting debris into the air and back down.
Just like a coal fire will spit hot fragments at you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:51:36 AM

Why haven't they been discovered?
The very same reason why the ice dome foundation will never be discovered.
Instant death for anyone who gets remotely close.
If you're thinking of a little north pole and believe it's all been conquered, then it's not surprising your stance will be to reject it out of hand.

Until you go on a mission yourself to see how far you would get, you will never know the real truth and even then you may not find it.

Again, how do you know all these things without actually seeing them?

How do you know the things you know without seeing them?

So you're full of shit but are too much of a coward to admit it. Gotcha.

It seems you can't answer the question either, so who's full of it?

Trigonometry

we are solving for a = distance between Earth and the Sun

using e = measured angle between the Sun and Venus when Venus is at position of greatest elongation. Venus reaches greatest elongation on October 31st. At greatest elongation, the apparent angular distance between Venus and the Sun reaches its maximum value of about 48°.

So e = 48°

and a * cos(e) = distance to Venus distance to Venus can be measured by radar measurements, where a radio wave is transmitted from Earth and is received when it bounces off Venus and comes back to Earth. By measuring the time taken for the pulse to come back, the distance can be calculated as radio waves travel at the speed of light. This is 62,229,146 miles.

a * cos(e) = 62,229,146

a * cos(48°) = 62,229,146

a = 62,229,146 / cos(48°) = 92999999.415101012916531254915725

a = 93 million miles

Which part is a guess?

If you don't like the method for getting the distance to Venus then there are other ways such as this: http://www.exploratorium.edu/venus/question4.html

Ironically that method produces the same number. Further proof that the methods used are valid.



 

Trigonometry

we are solving for a = distance between Earth and the Sun

using e = measured angle between the Sun and Venus when Venus is at position of greatest elongation. Venus reaches greatest elongation on October 31st. At greatest elongation, the apparent angular distance between Venus and the Sun reaches its maximum value of about 48°.

So e = 48°

and a * cos(e) = distance to Venus distance to Venus can be measured by radar measurements, where a radio wave is transmitted from Earth and is received when it bounces off Venus and comes back to Earth. By measuring the time taken for the pulse to come back, the distance can be calculated as radio waves travel at the speed of light. This is 62,229,146 miles.

a * cos(e) = 62,229,146

a * cos(48°) = 62,229,146

a = 62,229,146 / cos(48°) = 92999999.415101012916531254915725

a = 93 million miles

Which part is a guess?

If you don't like the method for getting the distance to Venus then there are other ways such as this: http://www.exploratorium.edu/venus/question4.html

Ironically that method produces the same number. Further proof that the methods used are valid.

How do you rebound a radar off venus and back to Earth?

I figured you would have a problem with that, which is why I also offered an additional way to get the distance to Venus which, ironically, derives the same number. Giving more credence to its validity.

I figured you would have a problem with that, which is why I also offered an additional way to get the distance to Venus which, ironically, derives the same number. Giving more credence to its validity.

I'll deal with the historical part of the calculation next. In the mean time can you tell me how radar managed to hit and bounce off venus and back to Earth?
Let's just clarify a few things.
Venus is a ball of basic fire isn't it? I mean, not a sun as your sun is supposed to be but a hot as hell round planet, right?
Here's the problem: You see; there's only one part of a ball you can hit to have something come directly back to you for starters.
For instance. If you throw something at a ball, you have to hit that ball at an exact point for the object to come right back to you. If you miss that sweet spot, your object flies into no mans land. See what I mean?

I mean, if I'm barking up the wrong tree, then feel free to put me right.

The next part is the Earth's spin at over 1000 mph, so let's do a little bit of maths....I know, me doing some maths. 

Venus, we are told, is about 25 million miles from Earth, so let's operate the radar at venus and see what happens.

So a round trip would be 50 million miles. Let's set off the radar to aim at venus. Let's use a basic 1000 mph spin and forsake the other 38 mph equator extra just to give is an average, as the radar might not be on the equator, so it's only fair.

Ok then, so the radar is sent and it takes about  four and a half minutes to get there and back, all the while the Earth is spinning.
The radar centre would have shifted approximately 74 miles away from where it sent out it's signal.

To make it even more silly. It means that the radar is veering off course every second for two and a quarter minutes, just getting to venus as the Earth spins, so how in the hell was this feat achieved?

I'm all ears.

Just to interject for a second. Venus is not a ball of fire but it is hot. About as hot as the inside of an oven but only about a quarter as hot as say a kiln or something that can melt rock.

Just to interject for a second. Venus is not a ball of fire but it is hot. About as hot as the inside of an oven but only about a quarter as hot as say a kiln or something that can melt rock.

Yeah, ok, I'm not too bothered about that. Any answer for what I put ?

Quote from: rottingroom on June 12, 2014, 09:06:40 AM

I figured you would have a problem with that, which is why I also offered an additional way to get the distance to Venus which, ironically, derives the same number. Giving more credence to its validity.

I'll deal with the historical part of the calculation next. In the mean time can you tell me how radar managed to hit and bounce off venus and back to Earth?
Let's just clarify a few things.
Venus is a ball of basic fire isn't it? I mean, not a sun as your sun is supposed to be but a hot as hell round planet, right?
Here's the problem: You see; there's only one part of a ball you can hit to have something come directly back to you for starters.
For instance. If you throw something at a ball, you have to hit that ball at an exact point for the object to come right back to you. If you miss that sweet spot, your object flies into no mans land. See what I mean?

I mean, if I'm barking up the wrong tree, then feel free to put me right.

The next part is the Earth's spin at over 1000 mph, so let's do a little bit of maths....I know, me doing some maths. 

Venus, we are told, is about 25 million miles from Earth, so let's operate the radar at venus and see what happens.

So a round trip would be 50 million miles. Let's set off the radar to aim at venus. Let's use a basic 1000 mph spin and forsake the other 38 mph equator extra just to give is an average, as the radar might not be on the equator, so it's only fair.

Ok then, so the radar is sent and it takes about  four and a half minutes to get there and back, all the while the Earth is spinning.
The radar centre would have shifted approximately 74 miles away from where it sent out it's signal.

To make it even more silly. It means that the radar is veering off course every second for two and a quarter minutes, just getting to venus as the Earth spins, so how in the hell was this feat achieved?

I'm all ears.

Venus being hot is inconsequential. What matters is the composition of the surface that we are reflecting the radar off of. This surface is a thick layer of opaque clouds.

A radar is not a laser beam. It propagates outward like this:



As you can see, it also continues to propagate in the same fashion on the return trip.

I'm not going to check and see if the 74 mph you offered is correct right now but that is small potatoes compared to the amount of space that radars signal has dispersed into by the time it has returned.

Not 74 mph, Rotty...a 74 mile shift of the radar station that sent the radar signal. I hardly think that's small potatoes, do you?

Not 74 mph, Rotty...a 74 mile shift of the radar station that sent the radar signal. I hardly think that's small potatoes, do you?

I meant miles. And yes, that's nothing.

Think about it Scepti. This radar has propagated and spread out for 62 millions miles toward Venus, then every single part of that signal that has touched (meaning the parts of the signal that have reflected off of all the earth facing surfaces of Venus) is now propagating outward and back to Earth for another 62 million miles.

It would be far more than 74 miles of coverage. I'd wager that it's coverage would be larger than earth itself.

The only problem is that because of the inverse square law, we need a very powerful radar. Fortunately, powerful radars exist.

Not 74 mph, Rotty...a 74 mile shift of the radar station that sent the radar signal. I hardly think that's small potatoes, do you?

The question you should be asking, Sceptimatic, is why can't we find the distance to your dome using radar or laser ranging, since it is supposed to reflect light? It's not like nobody has ever pointed a laser or radar array at the sky before.

Think about it Scepti. This radar has propagated and spread out for 62 millions miles toward Venus, then every single part of that signal that has touched (meaning the parts of the signal that have reflected off of all the earth facing surfaces of Venus) is now propagating outward and back to Earth for another 62 million miles.

It would be far more than 74 miles of coverage. I'd wager that it's coverage would be larger than earth itself.

The only problem is that because of the inverse square law, we need a very powerful radar. Fortunately, powerful radars exist.

Yes, technology eh? Marvellous stuff. I'm sure they can bounce a laser off any star they want if it was required. You know how ridiculous this is but let's not dwell on it and let's go back in history.
Tell me how they did it in those days without this magnificent super radar.

Quote from: rottingroom on June 12, 2014, 10:09:08 AM

Think about it Scepti. This radar has propagated and spread out for 62 millions miles toward Venus, then every single part of that signal that has touched (meaning the parts of the signal that have reflected off of all the earth facing surfaces of Venus) is now propagating outward and back to Earth for another 62 million miles.

It would be far more than 74 miles of coverage. I'd wager that it's coverage would be larger than earth itself.

The only problem is that because of the inverse square law, we need a very powerful radar. Fortunately, powerful radars exist.

Yes, technology eh? Marvellous stuff. I'm sure they can bounce a laser off any star they want if it was required. You know how ridiculous this is but let's not dwell on it and let's go back in history.
Tell me how they did it in those days without this magnificent super radar.

I did. There is a link to the old method. I've repeated myself a couple times now telling you just that.

Oh, and it's not a laser.

Do you just selectively skim over everything?

Do you just selectively skim over everything?

He suffers from a very particular type of mental retardation.

Quote from: rottingroom on June 12, 2014, 12:08:06 PM

Do you just selectively skim over everything?

He suffers from a very particular type of mental retardation.

The worst part of that is in his mind he is a genius.

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Quote from: rottingroom on June 12, 2014, 10:09:08 AM

Think about it Scepti. This radar has propagated and spread out for 62 millions miles toward Venus, then every single part of that signal that has touched (meaning the parts of the signal that have reflected off of all the earth facing surfaces of Venus) is now propagating outward and back to Earth for another 62 million miles.

It would be far more than 74 miles of coverage. I'd wager that it's coverage would be larger than earth itself.

The only problem is that because of the inverse square law, we need a very powerful radar. Fortunately, powerful radars exist.

Yes, technology eh? Marvellous stuff. I'm sure they can bounce a laser off any star they want if it was required. You know how ridiculous this is but let's not dwell on it and let's go back in history.
Tell me how they did it in those days without this magnificent super radar.

I did. There is a link to the old method. I've repeated myself a couple times now telling you just that.

Oh, and it's not a laser.

Do you just selectively skim over everything?

Not at all. I look at everything and take a good bit of time doing so. Then I see it all for what it is, which is simply made up nonsense diguised in silly equations.

The simple fact is, nobody knows how big the sun is, how far the sun is, or any other so called planet they think is in space.
Radar hitting venus and coming back. My god, what's this world coming to with people. You need to wake up and see it all for what it is.

Powerful radars indeed. Lol.

It's weird how those in the 14/15/16/17./18 hundreds and even in ancient Greece, had all the answers to all this type of stuff.

In the early days, you just look at the transit of venus, do a few calculations and bang, your sun is 93 million miles away. Hahahaha.
It makes me wonder about that film, "they live"...I think that film is telling us a lot more about ourselves than just playing the so called alien game. I think it's telling us how we are being controlled to follow crap like this stuff.

The technology we have today and the so called super telescopes in so called space, plus the super ones on mountain tops and yet how do they push all this planet crap onto us all? they use ancient people and stand them out as the astrological geniuses to us, so we all go "wow."

There's not too many people switched on and it's a shame. Brainwashing clearly has a long future, because if intelligent people can be this naive and follow ridiculous stuff like all of this global rubbish, then what hope is there?

Well that was predictable.

Guys... round earthers and flat earthers;  I think we can all agree that sceptimatic has either lost the plot entirely, or he's one of the most insidious and successful TROLLS I've ever come across on a forum.

Earlier on, he posted this comment:

Having said all that, forgive me if my persona comes across as arrogant. I am arrogant. I'm a genius. I'm a top man in my field.

I am the ultimate.

I am a lone wolf.

I have to be like this because I'm dealing with ultra arrogant people, every day in all walks of life, including here.

I fight fire with fire and that's just the way it is. I afford respect to those that warrant it. I treat people in whatever manner they treat me.

This sort of self-aggrandizement marks the guy as being totally delusional, and means—in simple terms—it's a complete waste of time responding to the nonsensical drivel he posts here.  The only marginally correct part of his rant is when he admits to being arrogant;  defined as having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit or ability.

My guess?  sceptimatic is suffering from delusions of grandeur, which describes those who have a highly inflated sense of importance.  The term is also used colloquially to refer to hubris, or false pride in one's own qualities or accomplishments, exhibited by many people who are not clinically delusional.

Many people have extreme confidence in their own ability but do not know enough to understand their limitations.  This description fits sceptimatic like a glove LOL.

Also, many of those people truly believe that the ideas bouncing around in their skulls are the greatest ones in mankind's history, when in reality they are a colossal load of absolute rubbish. A large number of pseudoscience promoters fall into this category.

I'm also not sure why sceptimatic is now using a pic of WWF wrestler Roddy Piper as his avatar.  Maybe because Piper lost his first match in ten seconds LOL.

You protest too much, Geoffrey. I'm arrogant to the aroogant, not to the ordinary level headed thinking folk.
I am a genius, of that there is no doubt whatsoever. We all have it in us, yet few choose to use it. I'll leave it to you to figure out what real genius is.

As for the Roddy Piper avatar. Only those who have thinking minds will undrstand why I have that.
Let me make something clear to you, Geoffrey.
A genius is not someone that can regurgitate stories written by others. Think about that.

As for the Roddy Piper avatar. Only those who have thinking minds will undrstand why I have that.

Because you think you see the things as they are, like he does in "They Live".  Like a movie, you also live in a fiction.

Scecpti, for a "genius" you're not very good at making an argument or even sticking to the topic. You're definitely a genius at trolling and derailing though.

Instead of rabbiting on about how we're all poor spoon fed naive deluded fools, why don't you, for once in your illustrious career, take a stab at clearly explaining how the Sun, Moon, stars and planets can all be reflections.

You can start by giving us your explanation of how Venus can appear to move the way it does, moving back and forth in the sky, never moving more than a certain angle away from the Sun, how it loops back regularly in its path in the sky, how it appears to cross in front of the Sun (again at regular, predictable intervals), how it displays phases like the Moon, the brightest of which is the smallest phase. That would be a great start, surely this is all accounted for in  your theory?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 13, 2014, 07:30:12 AM

As for the Roddy Piper avatar. Only those who have thinking minds will undrstand why I have that.

Because you think you see the things as they are, like he does in "They Live".  Like a movie, you also live in a fiction.

At least you're sort of getting it.
Is it me who is living in a fictional world or you?

Your mind is hypnotised and you simply don't know it. I am too in many ways. One thing about being born not to think outside of the box, is, you spend a long time being brainwashed, until you finally wake up.
The problem with that is; the brainwashing is hard to scrub away, so in my efforts to make sense of the realities in this world, I have to keep discarding the programming that's already been implanted and it isn't easy, because our lives are basically run on it all.

If you think you have a free mind and a free body, then try it out and see if it's true.
A free mind is a mind that can be used FREELY. It means you have FREEDOM of speech without consequence. A free body is a body that can go anywhere on Earth with total freedom, with no consequence.

If you can do either of these things with freedom and without invasion of that freedom, then tell me all about it and how you do it?

Your in a prison. It's not a bad prison, it's manageable and easy for us to become institutionalised to it. It's still a prison and you have no real rights.

For you people to wake up will require some of what Piper gave to the man in that film, to wake him up.
Having said that. It's your life, your ways and your reasoning, so go with whatever flow you go with, because I'm not the one that controls you.

Scecpti, for a "genius" you're not very good at making an argument or even sticking to the topic. You're definitely a genius at trolling and derailing though.

Instead of rabbiting on about how we're all poor spoon fed naive deluded fools, why don't you, for once in your illustrious career, take a stab at clearly explaining how the Sun, Moon, stars and planets can all be reflections.

You can start by giving us your explanation of how Venus can appear to move the way it does, moving back and forth in the sky, never moving more than a certain angle away from the Sun, how it loops back regularly in its path in the sky, how it appears to cross in front of the Sun (again at regular, predictable intervals), how it displays phases like the Moon, the brightest of which is the smallest phase. That would be a great start, surely this is all accounted for in your theory?

It's all to do with Earth crystals of sizes that girls could only dream of. It's prism effects, that's all it is, plus dome reflections of that as well.

All of this from a resonating energy source in the centre of Earth causing movement of those reflected specks of light.