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Which best describes Santa Claus?

A cultural quirk/phenomenon
1 (11.1%)
A harmless myth like the Yeti
4 (44.4%)
Christian Propoganda
0 (0%)
A cherished children's tale
4 (44.4%)

Total Members Voted: 7

Voting closed: November 25, 2006, 06:53:24 PM

Concerning Santa Claus

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Ubuntu

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Concerning Santa Claus
« on: November 25, 2006, 06:53:24 PM »
Recently watching Polar Express for the second time I wondered why there was such an emphasis on strong belief in Santa Claus for children...

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beast

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Concerning Santa Claus
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2006, 06:54:41 PM »
Capitalist propaganda encouraging society to consume.

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Ubuntu

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2006, 06:55:36 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Capitalist propaganda encouraging society to consume.


Lawl!  :lol:

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Nomad

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2006, 07:04:36 PM »
Shameless ripoff of old Thulian beliefs.  Father Winter would so kick Santa's ass.
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8/30 NEVAR FORGET

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mjk

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 04:46:12 AM »
Quote from: "beast"
Capitalist propaganda encouraging society to consume.


thats what the concept has evoloved into.  personally i hate christmas.
quote="diegodraw"]you never mentioned anything about antagonizing naive idiots who have reason to believe they should defend what everyone already knows is logical....Not like anybody would ever have fun doing that, of course[/quote]

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beast

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 06:21:24 AM »
Word, me too.  I would love to be able to just say; "I'm not celebrating Christmas this year."  Unfortunately I feel the pressure to because my Mum puts so much effort into organising these big family events.  Which is amazing, because she then gets me a present that I would never want.  Actually all my family gets me stuff like that.  Christmas is like birthdays except even worse!!

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Ubuntu

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 09:53:33 AM »
I love Christmas!  :lol:

Presents, shopping, two weeks off school, family traditions, and a huge feast!

Concerning Santa Claus
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2006, 11:26:49 AM »
I believe in Santa.

But Santa could be many things  :wink:
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beast

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2006, 04:30:54 PM »
Quote from: "Ubuntu"
I love Christmas!  :lol:

Presents, shopping, two weeks off school, family traditions, and a huge feast!


That's because you still go to school and live at home.  The feast is good.

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Ubuntu

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2006, 06:37:07 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "Ubuntu"
I love Christmas!  :lol:

Presents, shopping, two weeks off school, family traditions, and a huge feast!


That's because you still go to school and live at home.  The feast is good.


Damn. You are absolutely right.

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Rick_James

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2006, 10:55:42 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Capitalist propaganda encouraging society to consume.


I think this is only true as much as you let it be. Sure that's what the department stores and the like are aiming for, but surely if you have some self control, and don't OVER-spend, you aren't playing into their hands.

I think Xmas does so much for bringing families and people in general together. Regardless of it's origins, past or present meanings, or modern-day relevance, I still think that it performs quite a good job at drawing people together/bringing out the best in people. I don't know how many times and Xmas time I hear people saying "It's Christmas" or "its the season" after going out of their way to do something for someone else. Even for one month, Xmas seems to put a rose coloured filter over the world.

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Lou

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 02:04:24 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Capitalist propaganda encouraging society to consume.


As mjk said, that's what it has become. I never believed in Santa Clause. I've always been more sceptical when it comes to things like that. I was introduced to the story when I was maybe 5 and by then I had more sense than to believe it. I always put up a show to keep my parents pleased and so that my siblings wouldn't catch on as quickly as I did. Although I typically don't hold holidays of much significance, I do enjoy Christmas time. Being in school, I get a two week break. Also, being in Arizona, winter is one of the only times I can escape the heat. The feast and the lights are nice, too.

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beast

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 05:26:03 PM »
I think Santa is a good tool for demonstrating to kids that God doesn't exist.  Once you smash one myth you can smash them all :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 08:02:09 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
I think Santa is a good tool for demonstrating to kids that God doesn't exist.  Once you smash one myth you can smash them all :)


What's wrong with Santa?

The world is pretty boring without a bit of magic.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 08:14:41 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
I think Santa is a good tool for demonstrating to kids that God doesn't exist.


haha okay...
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 11:17:38 PM »
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I think Santa is a good tool for demonstrating to kids that God doesn't exist.  Once you smash one myth you can smash them all :)
If proving Santa doesn't exist convinces anyone that God doesn't exist, that person needs to learn a little bit of reasoning skill.

It's a false analogy, sorry.  Santa and God both hold the trait of being faith-based.  They also both share the trait of existing in an environment where their existences would be difficult to disprove (impossible for God, but let's just give that one to the proof).  Thus the easily led would conclude that since they both share these traits, they should share a third trait, which is nonexistence.  Santa doesn't exist, therefore God doesn't.

Apples and Limes are both fruits.  They both have seeds.  They both grow on trees.  We have three traits in common already.  Let's make a logical leap, since we will pretend to have never tasted a lime.  So, knowing that apples and limes share the traits of being fruits, bearing seeds and growing on seeds, it follows that they should both be sweet, right?

Of course, that in itself is a ludicrously bad analogy, but you get the idea anyway.
on't just believe anything.  Believe what seems right.

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Ubuntu

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2006, 04:03:07 PM »
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Quote from: "beast"
I think Santa is a good tool for demonstrating to kids that God doesn't exist.  Once you smash one myth you can smash them all :)


If proving Santa doesn't exist convinces anyone that God doesn't exist, that person needs to learn a little bit of reasoning skill.


Actually you can't disprove Santa's existence. In fact, there is a chance he exists, and lives within 50 km of you.

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Rick_James

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2006, 07:24:28 PM »
Quote from: "Ubuntu"
Actually you can't disprove Santa's existence. In fact, there is a chance he exists, and lives within 50 km of you.


There's also a chance that I'm in fact the raincloud that's hovering above your house, and I'm about to crap a rainbow on you - but it's not a very large chance.....

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EnragedPenguin

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2006, 07:28:23 PM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
There's also a chance that I'm in fact the raincloud that's hovering above your house, and I'm about to crap a rainbow on you.


I was wondering who that was up there.
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Concerning Santa Claus
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2006, 07:29:36 PM »
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Quote from: "Rick_James"
There's also a chance that I'm in fact the raincloud that's hovering above your house, and I'm about to crap a rainbow on you.


I was wondering who that was up there.
Yeah, is that rainbow coming yet or what? Shit or get off the pot, man!

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Rick_James

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2006, 10:48:45 PM »
Hey, you can't rush these things, I'll give myself a cloud-hernia..