Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations

Quote from: Goth on May 10, 2014, 07:12:42 AM

Is it possible that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen as targets for this deception instead of a more strategic target like Tokyo because they were mainly filled with cheap light paper-thin wooden structures, thereby making the devastation of the firestorm appear more complete?

- Have you ever wondered why no rogue group of terrorists or any nation other than the most powerful have been able to build their own atomic bombs if it was possible to build them with technology from 65 years ago? Are their scientists and researchers that dumb? Are they missing some magic ingredient that is only available to chartered members of the elite "nuclear club"? Perhaps that ingredient is the power of their media to back up their lies?

- What about the war, do you believe 'the bomb' was necessary? Some say the Japanese had already capitulated. Do you believe in the 'cold war' and that the Americans and Soviets were dangerously poised on the verge of nuclear annihilation? Do you believe in a beneficial government? A transparent government? Do you have faith in the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower later warned people about?

It's nice to see some people switched on to this stuff.

Would like to have references?

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

From 1946? Why don't you provide some?

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

From 1946? Why don't you provide some?

I can't be bothered because it's not me that wants to argue about Hiroshima and Ngasaki.

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 10:08:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

From 1946? Why don't you provide some?

I can't be bothered because it's not me that wants to argue about Hiroshima and Ngasaki.

I wonder, do you think before you type or does the irony just explode like a nuclear- oh.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:16:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 10:08:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

From 1946? Why don't you provide some?

I can't be bothered because it's not me that wants to argue about Hiroshima and Ngasaki.

I wonder, do you think before you type or does the irony just explode like a nuclear- oh.

Do you actually think before you type, because it never appears so.

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 10:18:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:16:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 10:08:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on May 10, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM

Come on starman, you can do much better than that. Let's see some closer pictures, not obscure ones. Frigging hell man, what is it with you?
Are you so desperate to hide stuff? What's your game here?
Put shit up like that again and I'm finished debating with you, for good, you will immediately go into the bin and you won't be coming out.

...You- you are aware that the pictures were taken in 1946, right? Complaining about camera quality from a fucking '46 birdseye-cam is like asking why the Native Americans didn't defend themselves with machine guns.

Oh, there's plenty of good birdseye pictures of the cities, don't be giving me this quality garbage.

From 1946? Why don't you provide some?

I can't be bothered because it's not me that wants to argue about Hiroshima and Ngasaki.

I wonder, do you think before you type or does the irony just explode like a nuclear- oh.

Do you actually think before you type, because it never appears so.

Page 38, where is your data and pictures?

Nuclear power plants are thermal generators connected to magma hotspots. They pour water on extracted magma to create smoke that drives turbines.

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

Do you have proof that they exist?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 10, 2014, 11:51:10 AM

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

Do you have proof that they exist?

Do you want references that the bombing in japan existed?

Quote from: ClockworkJaffa on May 10, 2014, 11:54:52 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 10, 2014, 11:51:10 AM

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

Do you have proof that they exist?

Do you want references that the bombing in japan existed?

I want references that it wasn't firebombing, like Sceptimatic suggested.

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 11:56:48 AM

Quote from: ClockworkJaffa on May 10, 2014, 11:54:52 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 10, 2014, 11:51:10 AM

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

Do you have proof that they exist?

Do you want references that the bombing in japan existed?

I want references that it wasn't firebombing, like Sceptimatic suggested.

So what you are saying it was just a regular bombing run and 90, 000 people got caught is the fire. How about reference that is was a Atomic bomb.

Quote from: ClockworkJaffa on May 10, 2014, 11:58:36 AM

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 11:56:48 AM

Quote from: ClockworkJaffa on May 10, 2014, 11:54:52 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 10, 2014, 11:51:10 AM

I can't believe you are all arguing with someone who says nuclear weapons don't exist.   

Do you have proof that they exist?

Do you want references that the bombing in japan existed?

I want references that it wasn't firebombing, like Sceptimatic suggested.

So what you are saying it was just a regular bombing run and 90, 000 people got caught is the fire. How about reference that is was a Atomic bomb.

There is no limit as to how many kills a weapon type can be responsible for. Again, references, please.

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Now that is how to prove a point. Well done.

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So what is this proving exactly?

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real. Fair enough?

You start.

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 03:33:10 PM

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real.

You always have a comeback.  It's usually "hahaha that's bullshit".  But it is still a comeback.

Comebacks are easy, any fool can type a load of words.  Where you struggle is providing any evidence of your assertions.  Or even making your assertions fit with everyday observations.  You win when you can do that, not when you make another lame reply.

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 03:33:10 PM

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real. Fair enough?

You start.

You are making the claim, you prove it.  Write to your local paper and see is there is anyone from the areas affected.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 03:34:37 PM

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 03:33:10 PM

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real.

You always have a comeback.  It's usually "hahaha that's bullshit".  But it is still a comeback.

Comebacks are easy, any fool can type a load of words.  Where you struggle is providing any evidence of your assertions.  Or even making your assertions fit with everyday observations.  You win when you can do that, not when you make another lame reply.

Ok Crabby, you can join in as well. You post direct evidence about it and If I can't give a reason against it, I'll concede.
I won't mention it's crap. I must have a counter argument. Fair enough or would you like to deck out while the going is good?

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 03:34:37 PM

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 03:33:10 PM

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real. Fair enough?

You start.

You are making the claim, you prove it.  Write to your local paper and see is there is anyone from the areas affected.

You obviously do not understand my stance and argument do you? I know, I'll ring CNN or some other news agency. Maybe I can go and see people like Phil Plait or the myth busters, I'm sure they will all put me right on this, or at least someone like them, do you think?
I mean, I haven't made myself clear enough have I on why I question this stuff? Or have I?

Here's a massive clue: it's about trusting OFFICIAL lines and I don't trust official lines, which means I believe NOTHING and question EVERYTHING.

Now then. Until you or your little friends can absolutely convince me that I am barking up the wrong tree with irrefutable evidence, then the jurers in my head are not going to be able to give a unanimous verdict.

I'll see if that sinks in with you.

Quote from: inquisitive on May 10, 2014, 03:49:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 03:34:37 PM

Quote from: Starman on May 10, 2014, 03:33:10 PM

It proves you will NEVER ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. Period.

I'll play fair with you.
You provide me with evidence and if I don't have a comeback, I will accept it as real. Fair enough?

You start.

You are making the claim, you prove it.  Write to your local paper and see is there is anyone from the areas affected.

You obviously do not understand my stance and argument do you? I know, I'll ring CNN or some other news agency. Maybe I can go and see people like Phil Plait or the myth busters, I'm sure they will all put me right on this, or at least someone like them, do you think?
I mean, I haven't made myself clear enough have I on why I question this stuff? Or have I?

Here's a massive clue: it's about trusting OFFICIAL lines and I don't trust official lines, which means I believe NOTHING and question EVERYTHING.

Now then. Until you or your little friends can absolutely convince me that I am barking up the wrong tree with irrefutable evidence, then the jurers in my head are not going to be able to give a unanimous verdict.

I'll see if that sinks in with you.

Or maybe and just maybe you can to to Japan to Hiroshima and talk to the people that their parents and grandparents died in the bombing. Tell them you want real proof that it happened. If that is the real kind of evidence that will please then go. Other than that don't ask for evidence or proof of things you will blindly deny every time because you think you are the winner in the debate game. You keep telling us how wealthy you are so go.

I for one believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. It's a frightening reality that will hopefully never be repeated. I also believe that all nuclear weapons should be disarmed and disposed of. They serve no purpose other than to deter themselves.

I would post pictures of Hiroshima survivors, but I know Scepti doesn't count photographic proof as evidence so I won't even bother.

I for one believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. It's a frightening reality that will hopefully never be repeated. I also believe that all nuclear weapons should be disarmed and disposed of. They serve no purpose other than to deter themselves.

I would post pictures of Hiroshima survivors, but I know Scepti doesn't count photographic proof as evidence so I won't even bother.

Thank you for your honesty. We did not have to be there to really know it did happen. scepti is an extreme person in the realm of reality. By most part he is a contrarian. He will oppose anything that is mainstream no matter what it is.

Here's a massive clue: it's about trusting OFFICIAL lines and I don't trust official lines, which means I believe NOTHING and question EVERYTHING.

You can read a completely independent unofficial story written by a survivor of the Hiroshima attack—seeing as you refute any "official lines" sceptimatic:

A-Bomb Survivor's Story: "My Hiroshima" by  Keiko Murakami

This is first-hand evidence from a survivor, and which cannot be refuted.
 

 
 

 

 

 

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 10, 2014, 03:58:03 PM

Here's a massive clue: it's about trusting OFFICIAL lines and I don't trust official lines, which means I believe NOTHING and question EVERYTHING.

You can read a completely independent unofficial story written by a survivor of the Hiroshima attack—seeing as you refute any "official lines" sceptimatic:

A-Bomb Survivor's Story: "My Hiroshima" by  Keiko Murakami

This is first-hand evidence from a survivor, and which cannot be refuted.
 

 

 

Mrs Keiko Murakami at the Korean war memorial in Hiroshima 16 July 2003.

These heart wrenching stories don't stand up to scrutiny, you know. They're designed to get you to turn your brain off (which most of you have turned off, anyway). Personally, I don't trust a word of her story. Any other eye witness accounts?