FE explanations for the April 2014 lunar eclipse

I'm actually a very nice guy. I justhave zero tolerance for dipshits.

Well then it's perfectly logical for you to be here where there are so many dipshits, according to you. 

Quote from: rottingroom on April 16, 2014, 07:33:51 AM

I'm actually a very nice guy. I justhave zero tolerance for dipshits.

Well then it's perfectly logical for you to be here where there are so many dipshits, according to you. 

I happen to be addicted to trolling people on the internet. So sue me.

I still don't see why we don't have a lunar eclipse every month. 

I still don't see why we don't have a lunar eclipse every month.

Again, a FE'r can't seem to use a search engine.

In any case, the earth's orbit around the sun is not in the same plane as the moon's orbit around the earth.

Well, that is convenient, now isn't it? 

Well, that is convenient, now isn't it?

In what way is it "convenient"?

Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 09:38:05 AM

I still don't see why we don't have a lunar eclipse every month.

Again, a FE'r can't seem to use a search engine.

In any case, the earth's orbit around the sun is not in the same plane as the moon's orbit around the earth.

Well, that is convenient, now isn't it?

jroa: It's not just convenient that the moon's orbit around earth is not in the same plane as earth's orbit around the sun thus precluding monthly lunar and solar eclipses, it's actually very unlikely that such a perfect alignment of orbits would have existed at all.
When the earth formed and later gained its moon, the moon could have come into an orbit around earth at any degree of inclination compared to the earth's orbit around the sun. Since the only combination of orbits that would give us an eclipse once every month (i.e. each orbit of the moon) would require the moon's orbit to be at 0 degrees inclination (+/- only a few degrees), the probability that this particular orbit would have been established is very low. Since it wouldn't matter which direction the moon orbited earth in this case, the degrees of freedom would be halved to 180 degrees, doubling the odds that such an alignment of orbits could have occurred. Even with only 180 degrees of freedom, the likelihood of hitting just the right range around 0 degrees inclination is still very low.

I mean convenient for your round Earth hypothesis. 

I mean convenient for your round Earth hypothesis.

Why would something fitting a theoretical model be convenient?

Isn't that what you would expect? For scientific theory to match what we see?

Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 10:25:09 AM

I mean convenient for your round Earth hypothesis.

Why would something fitting a theoretical model be convenient?

Isn't that what you would expect? For scientific theory to match what we see?

It's what jroa says when he doesn't have an answer.

i.e. he says it a lot.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 16, 2014, 09:45:42 AM

In any case, the earth's orbit around the sun is not in the same plane as the moon's orbit around the earth.

What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

EarthIsASpaceship: Could you elaborate on your question? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described; a diagram could help.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 16, 2014, 09:45:42 AM

In any case, the earth's orbit around the sun is not in the same plane as the moon's orbit around the earth.

What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

Don't get too excited about my use of the word plane.

In any case, what makes anyone sure about whether this things a plane or that things a sphere is entirely based on observation and data. The observations and data show the earth to be a sphere and the solar system to be a plane.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 16, 2014, 10:50:10 AM

What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

EarthIsASpaceship: Could you elaborate on your question? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described; a diagram could help.

I mean, there is no concrete proof it's the Earth spinning and not the sky.  There is no concrete proof the planets are on a plane and not us! A magician can make a rabbit APPEAR to come out of an empty hat but I don't have to believe it. " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Quote from: TheodorusOfSamos on April 16, 2014, 10:58:53 AM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 16, 2014, 10:50:10 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 16, 2014, 09:45:42 AM

In any case, the earth's orbit around the sun is not in the same plane as the moon's orbit around the earth.

What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

EarthIsASpaceship: Could you elaborate on your question? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described; a diagram could help.

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EarthIsASpaceship: Yes, that looks to be like a typical depiction of the solar system with a spherical earth in orbit around the sun. What I'm trying to understand is what you mean by (paraphrasing) a non-planar orbit. Are you suggesting that earth could be a flat surface with the moon in a complicated orbit around it?

Quote from: TheodorusOfSamos on April 16, 2014, 10:58:53 AM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 16, 2014, 10:50:10 AM

What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

EarthIsASpaceship: Could you elaborate on your question? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described; a diagram could help.

I mean, there is no concrete proof it's the Earth spinning and not the sky.  There is no concrete proof the planets are on a plane and not us! A magician can make a rabbit APPEAR to come out of an empty hat but I don't have to believe it. " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Actually, the fact that the stars appear to spin in the opposite direction depending on which hemisphere you are in definitely prove that it is the earth spinning and not the stars moving. Couldn't be any other way.

The direction of the stars is only perspective.  Who is right about the moon, right side up for those of us in the Northern Hemi or upside down for those in the Southern Hemi?

The direction of the stars is only perspective.  Who is right about the moon, right side up for those of us in the Northern Hemi or upside down for those in the Southern Hemi?

Yes perspective. Being that it is the opposite perspective in the opposite hemisphere.

And neither side is upside down except in relation to the other.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 15, 2014, 06:04:45 PM

No, you haven't.

Quit denying. Admit it. The earth is round.

When you can show me with a flashlight a golf ball and a baseball how an observer can see both an eclipsed golf ball and the flashlight, I'll start thinking about the earth's rotundity with more than a chuckle.

how can you laugh at the earths "rotundity" when you guys believe that:

No one could ever go to the edge of the earth since its -276 degrees.
Every single person that has ever gone into space and saw (and photographed) our round world, is a liar.
you believe that 1 person did make it to the edge of the earth and took photos, but "alas, they were exposed to sunlight and ruined".


...A flat earth theory died out centuries ago. Way back when people were being hung for stealing apples and egyptians believed that a dragon ate the sun every day...

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 15, 2014, 06:04:45 PM

No, you haven't.

Quit denying. Admit it. The earth is round.

When you can show me with a flashlight a golf ball and a baseball how an observer can see both an eclipsed golf ball and the flashlight, I'll start thinking about the earth's rotundity with more than a chuckle.

how can you laugh at the earths "rotundity" when you guys believe that:

No one could ever go to the edge of the earth since its -276 degrees.
Every single person that has ever gone into space and saw (and photographed) our round world, is a liar.
you believe that 1 person did make it to the edge of the earth and took photos, but "alas, they were exposed to sunlight and ruined".


...A flat earth theory died out centuries ago. Way back when people were being hung for stealing apples and egyptians believed that a dragon ate the sun every day...

I find it funny they use the -276 degrees as the absolute coldest. How would they know what it is? I am sure they did not measure it. They have not been there.

The foucoult pendulum proves 100% that the Earth rotates. This pendulum can be observed throughout many science museums around the world, as well as can be done by anyone at home using some very basic items. If you doubt the Foucoult pendulum, all the documentation and every youtube video about it, and think every museum and observatory with the pendulum is fake, and if you got off the computer and off your ass, you can demonstrate this at home enough, to observe the Earth's rotation.

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Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 15, 2014, 06:04:45 PM

No, you haven't.

Quit denying. Admit it. The earth is round.

When you can show me with a flashlight a golf ball and a baseball how an observer can see both an eclipsed golf ball and the flashlight, I'll start thinking about the earth's rotundity with more than a chuckle.

how can you laugh at the earths "rotundity" when you guys believe that:

No one could ever go to the edge of the earth since its -276 degrees.
Every single person that has ever gone into space and saw (and photographed) our round world, is a liar.
you believe that 1 person did make it to the edge of the earth and took photos, but "alas, they were exposed to sunlight and ruined".


...A flat earth theory died out centuries ago. Way back when people were being hung for stealing apples and egyptians believed that a dragon ate the sun every day...

I find it funny they use the -276 degrees as the absolute coldest. How would they know what it is? I am sure they did not measure it. They have not been there.

Yeah they claim everyone is just force fed bullshit and we just blindly believe, yet ALL 100% of Flat Earthers are force fed unproven bullshit they all eat up and state as true without one iota of any evidence! They are the ones blindy believing either what some moron wrote before them, or imaginations in their own heads, rather than basing their beliefs on actual evidence. Hypocrisy at its best!

Could one of the flat earthers here please direct me to any sites that further explain the "shadow object" theory?  The FE Wiki doesn't really explain the physics of the "object" other than saying that it exists.

Why isn't this important "object" shown on any flat earth models?  It must possess a degree of mass so as to block out the moon's light during a lunar eclipse, which means we should be able to detect it with an optical and/or radio-telescope.

So... dimensions; mass; composition; orbit; periodicity?
 

 

Could one of the flat earthers here please direct me to any sites that further explain the "shadow object" theory?  The FE Wiki doesn't really explain the physics of the "object" other than saying that it exists.

Why isn't this important "object" shown on any flat earth models?  It must possess a degree of mass so as to block out the moon's light during a lunar eclipse, which means we should be able to detect it with an optical and/or radio-telescope.

So... dimensions; mass; composition; orbit; periodicity?

The moon is a hologram reflection of earth. Luna eclipses are the polarity shift in the fusion cycle where the co2 laser (Sun) drops in intensity.     

Quote from: ausGeoff on April 19, 2014, 03:01:32 PM

Could one of the flat earthers here please direct me to any sites that further explain the "shadow object" theory?  The FE Wiki doesn't really explain the physics of the "object" other than saying that it exists.

Why isn't this important "object" shown on any flat earth models?  It must possess a degree of mass so as to block out the moon's light during a lunar eclipse, which means we should be able to detect it with an optical and/or radio-telescope.

So... dimensions; mass; composition; orbit; periodicity?

The moon is a hologram reflection of earth. Luna eclipses are the polarity shift in the fusion cycle where the co2 laser (Sun) drops in intensity.   

Wow you believe the moon exist!! If so why?

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 20, 2014, 05:36:45 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on April 19, 2014, 03:01:32 PM

Could one of the flat earthers here please direct me to any sites that further explain the "shadow object" theory?  The FE Wiki doesn't really explain the physics of the "object" other than saying that it exists.

Why isn't this important "object" shown on any flat earth models?  It must possess a degree of mass so as to block out the moon's light during a lunar eclipse, which means we should be able to detect it with an optical and/or radio-telescope.

So... dimensions; mass; composition; orbit; periodicity?

The moon is a hologram reflection of earth. Luna eclipses are the polarity shift in the fusion cycle where the co2 laser (Sun) drops in intensity.   

Wow you believe the moon exist!! If so why?

The wave ripple that is projected, which  is clearly seen in footage of the moon filmed.   

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">THE MOON IS TURNING/ROTATING UPSIDE DOWN POSSIBLE POLE SHIFT COMING?
& if your real good at observing you will know that what is being projected is  Antarctica.   

I don't know about the Antarctica part...still investigating but the moon liberates every 24 hours.  That is what he refers to as flipping.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">THE MOON IS TURNING/ROTATING UPSIDE DOWN POSSIBLE POLE SHIFT COMING?
& if your real good at observing you will know that what is being projected is  Antarctica.

Here is the story:
I guess they don't teach basic science in US schools anymore.
The part of the moon that we see is the part that is lit by sunlight (we just see the moon by the sunlight it reflects).
So as the moon orbits the Earth, the angle the sunlit side makes with us changes (from new moon to full moon and back to new moon).
But no matter where the moon is, the sunlit side is always the side closest to the sun. In winter the sun is farther south in our skies than the rest of the year, so the sunlit side of the moon (which is always the closest part of the moon to the sun) is more towards the "bottom" (south) of the moon.

Note the pictures were taken 8 months apart.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">THE MOON IS TURNING/ROTATING UPSIDE DOWN POSSIBLE POLE SHIFT COMING?
& if your real good at observing you will know that what is being projected is  Antarctica.

You sure make a lot of assumptions. It does not look like Antarctica at all. I thought the sun was a reflection.

Quote from: ausGeoff on April 19, 2014, 03:01:32 PM

Could one of the flat earthers here please direct me to any sites that further explain the "shadow object" theory?  The FE Wiki doesn't really explain the physics of the "object" other than saying that it exists.

Why isn't this important "object" shown on any flat earth models?  It must possess a degree of mass so as to block out the moon's light during a lunar eclipse, which means we should be able to detect it with an optical and/or radio-telescope.

So... dimensions; mass; composition; orbit; periodicity?

The moon is a hologram reflection of earth. Luna eclipses are the polarity shift in the fusion cycle where the co2 laser (Sun) drops in intensity.   

By the way there is no such thing in nature as a hologram and co2 laser. There are man made. Get your ideas straight.