FE explanations for the April 2014 lunar eclipse

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 07:49:47 PM

Right here. Where are you?

Right here. What year and month and were were you?

I personally saw it happen in December of 2011. It has happened many times before.

The word "fact" in that statement should be replaced with "mistaken belief". If you can't see how this is possible on a round earth, then you're not thinking hard enough.

You're not thinking if you mindlessly accept that. You would rather listen to the Orthodoxy than your own minds. It's clear to any thinking person that it is not possible in the Orthodox model, as the exclamations in this thread from the uninitiated prove. The fact that you and your coreligionists will now reverse course and spout the wiki article at me as some sort of "proof" issued from the high priests only makes the scene more comical.

He claimed it was not at sunset and plain daylight. I don't believe him.

It was not at sunset and I saw both the sun and moon in their entirety.

Quote from: Starman on April 15, 2014, 08:03:20 PM

He claimed it was not at sunset and plain daylight. I don't believe him.

It was not at sunset and I saw both the sun and moon in their entirety.

normally you can't see the moon in the daytime time but at times you can. So what year was it?

Quote from: Starman on April 15, 2014, 07:50:49 PM

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 07:49:47 PM

Right here. Where are you?

Right here. What year and month and were were you?

I personally saw it happen in December of 2011. It has happened many times before.

It follows the saros cycle of Babylonia, so there is no sense in saying it was not a lunar eclipse, either.

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 08:05:42 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 15, 2014, 07:50:49 PM

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 07:49:47 PM

Right here. Where are you?

Right here. What year and month and were were you?

I personally saw it happen in December of 2011. It has happened many times before.

Were were you at the time?

In the western portion of the US.

In the western portion of the US.

Do you remember the time of day?

Quote from: sokarul on April 15, 2014, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 07:12:03 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 15, 2014, 07:07:45 PM

How many pages is it going to take before you even attempt to disprove the current explanation?

I'm going to give them time to think for themselves before telling them what to think or letting someone else do it. I have no doubt they'll rush to wikipedia and swallow the comforting lies they find there unquestioningly just as those that have gone before them, Sok.

I have been here long enough so I will translate this for everyone else.

"I can't".

You didn't even think it was possible, Sok. You had to rush to wikipedia to find the comforting answer you wanted, too. I hardly expect different of this lot, but I should atleast afford them the opportunity to think for themselves, shouldn't I?

The human mind naturally tells us this is untrue, but if the high priests give something mysterious a name, it becomes completely plausible to you adherents. From "impossible" "lunatic" to "of course" in the twinkling of an Orthodox eye.  We'll sadly see it happen in this thread, just like it did for you.

Quote from: Ski on June 25, 2013, 03:58:39 PM

Quote from: sokarul on June 25, 2013, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: Ski on June 25, 2013, 10:03:15 AM

I have personally observed the moon eclipsed while the sun was still in the sky. I can only conclude that whatever phenomenon eclipsing the moon, it cannot be the earth's shadow.

No, you didn't. You are confusing the moon's phases with an eclipse. You cannot even see a full moon in the day.

Well, I'm so glad you're here to reveal your ignorance. I clearly saw it along with myriads of other people. The fact that it is impossible assuming RET is no nevermind to me.

Yes I remember that thread. I'll remind you when you saw the eclipse in question.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=59003.msg1509508#msg1509508
Now are you going to explain it away or run away with your tail between your legs?
And how is saying full moons aren't seen during the day ignorant? That is how trigonometry works. Are you claiming they can be seen at noon local time?

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 15, 2014, 07:51:43 PM

The word "fact" in that statement should be replaced with "mistaken belief". If you can't see how this is possible on a round earth, then you're not thinking hard enough.

You're not thinking if you mindlessly accept that. You would rather listen to the Orthodoxy than your own minds. It's clear to any thinking person that it is not possible in the Orthodox model, as the exclamations in this thread from the uninitiated prove. The fact that you and your coreligionists will now reverse course and spout the wiki article at me as some sort of "proof" issued from the high priests only makes the scene more comical.

That was a nice little rant, but you've made a lot of incorrect assumptions in it. It is possible, as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would be able to realise, and I haven't "mindlessly accept[ed]" it, I've given it sufficient thought to realise that it's possible. Now, if anyone can come up with an equally plausible FE explanation, I'll be quite willing to give it some thought too. I will be taking the big picture into account though, so no "anti-moons" or "dark objects" thanks.

The sun is far away, the moon is far away. The Earth is massive and spherical. So you can still cast shadows at certain angles. Have you ever seen your shadow before, or do you not believe in those either? Did the sun have to be exactly perpendicular to the ground directly above you to have a shadow?

So since you think an eclipse is not due to what has been proven it is due to, explain to us what exactly happened last night then.

Now are you going to explain it away or run away with your tail between your legs?
And how is saying full moons aren't seen during the day ignorant? That is how trigonometry works. Are you claiming they can be seen at noon local time?

I'm sorry, I was unaware that the full moon I saw while being able to turn around and see the sun was not during "the day". I had always thought of the time when the sun was above the horizon as "the day". Any other terms other than "day" and "impossible" that you want to redefine for your convenience in this conversation?

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The sun is far away, the moon is far away. The Earth is massive and spherical. So you can still cast shadows at certain angles. Have you ever seen your shadow before, or do you not believe in those either?

Did the sun have to be exactly perpendicular to the ground directly above you to have a shadow?

No.    But then again I've never seen my shadow cast in an upward direction while the sun was above me either... 

So since you think an eclipse is not due to what has been proven it is due to, explain to us what exactly happened last night then.

Perhaps you should reread the first post that you were too busy guffawing at to read, apparently.

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That's not exactly what I saw, no. I saw the sun above the horizon and the moon above it. But I did see an eclipse, yes. Presuming the video date is correct, then it was the same event, I would imagine if that is what you were trying to say. I'm not sure what your point was.

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Again, that is not what I saw exactly. I told you what I saw. I'm not at all sure what your point with the videos is 

There was only one eclipse in December. It was on the 11th. If you were on the west of USA you would see it going down as the sun was coming up.

It was the tenth, actually. I saw it in the sky while the sun was in the sky. I'm not sure how hard that is to grasp.

Quote from: sokarul on April 15, 2014, 08:15:34 PM

Now are you going to explain it away or run away with your tail between your legs?
And how is saying full moons aren't seen during the day ignorant? That is how trigonometry works. Are you claiming they can be seen at noon local time?

I'm sorry, I was unaware that the full moon I saw while being able to turn around and see the sun was not during "the day". I had always thought of the time when the sun was above the horizon as "the day". Any other terms other than "day" and "impossible" that you want to redefine for your convenience in this conversation?

Yes at sunrise or sun set a full moon will be rising or setting close to the same time. As we established there can be a small gap for certain reasons. Which you have yet to explain. I personally cannot ever see them at the same time.

So one last time are you going to offer anything to discredit the accepted reason for why a lunar eclipse can appear to happen when the sun has risen slightly?

It was the tenth, actually. I saw it in the sky while the sun was in the sky. I'm not sure how hard that is to grasp.

You are right about a few things:
It was on the 10th
The sun was on the horizon
The moon was on the horizon.
And it was a lunar eclipse.

If the sun was at the horizon it was not in daylight as you said. Either way it is late.... Later.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 15, 2014, 07:58:53 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 15, 2014, 07:50:49 PM

Quote from: Ski on April 15, 2014, 07:49:47 PM

Right here. Where are you?

Right here. What year and month and were were you?

Clearly he is talking about what scintific is bringing up so I'm not sure why you are badgering him. The important question to ask him though is why does it matter for him to bring up the Selenelion? It proves once again that the earth is round.

He claimed it was not at sunset and plain daylight. I don't believe him.

How about explaining how it happens in FET then. Oh wait, you can't, without adding in some other, unseen, undetectable mass that passes between something..

"We know lunar eclipses have also occurred where the sun and moon are both visible at the same time."

hahahahaha  thanks for the laugh! Please I hope for the sake of all humanity he is joking. Please be trolling. Please!

You haven't done your homework at all.

But I have.



From America, Christopher Columbus also wrote to the king and the queen of Spain about the simultaneous eclipses:

This that I have said is what I have heard. What I know is that the year 94 I sailed in 24 degrees to the west in 9 hours, and it could not be mistake because there were eclipses: the sun was in Libra and the moon in Ariete.

http://www.mgar.net/docs/colon4.htm

Esto que yo he dicho es lo que he oído. Lo que yo sé es que el ańo de 94 navegué en 24° al Poniente en término de nueve horas, y no pudo haber yerro porque hubo eclipses: el sol estaba en Libra y la luna en Ariete.

From Columbus words is clear that double eclipses were also known to the king and to the queen.

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You are the biggest dipshit in the world. We've already discussed selenelion's at length in the other eclipse thread. It only helps prove that the world is round, just like every observation does.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 16, 2014, 06:56:46 AM

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You are the biggest dipshit in the world. We've already discussed selenelion's at length in the other eclipse thread. It only helps prove that the world is round, just like every observation does.

Yes, this discussion seems better suited for another thread. What I asked in the OP was in regards to the various theories or ideas FE supporters have to explain lunar eclipses. We've already his on this selenelion and "shadow object" ideas; are there other explanations for lunar eclipses that FE supporters generally believe or do you have any unique beliefs that the FE supporters don't generally support?

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Ba Bam! Look up: "selenelion"

I actually went to check Ski's claim, and apparently, if you were on the PST timezone, the total eclipse happened somewhat between 6am and 7am, while the sunrise was at 7am. Clearly he saw the total eclipse as the sun was rising, confirming that it was a Selenelion.

Both the videos I linked to were selenelions, Starman.  Pay attention.

And Rothead, YOU ARE THE DIPSHIT, ANTHONY.  You continuously cut people down and call them derogatory names.  Go away man.  I will never understand your reason for being here.  Just goes to show the NAVY will accept anyone as long as they can take orders.  The military is the ultimate control organization.  Anyway, yes, selenelions were discussed in this thread when SKI brought up seeing a lunar eclipse at the same time as the sun.

Both the videos I linked to were selenelions, Starman.  Pay attention.

And Rothead, YOU ARE THE DIPSHIT, ANTHONY.  You continuously cut people down and call them derogatory names.  Go away man.  I will never understand your reason for being here.  Just goes to show the NAVY will accept anyone as long as they can take orders.  The military is the ultimate control organization.  Anyway, yes, selenelions were discussed in this thread when SKI brought up seeing a lunar eclipse at the same time as the sun.

I'm actually a very nice guy. I justhave zero tolerance for dipshits.

normally you can't see the moon in the daytime time but at times you can. So what year was it?

Yes you can see the moon in the daytime.  In fact, MOST of the time: http://www.space.com/7267-moon-daylight.html