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Son of Orospu

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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2014, 09:21:11 AM »
Refraction, reflection, and diffusion all come into play when we talk about the suns light passing through the air. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2014, 11:36:25 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2014, 09:21:11 AM
Refraction, reflection, and diffusion all come into play when we talk about the suns light passing through the air.

You can NEVER get the effects you wish to get (to explain a flat earth) using the refraction of light...

The refraction index of light in vacuum and air are 1 and ~1.000277 at standard temp and pressure.
Try to get your desired effect using Snell's law n1/n2=sinA2/sinA1, where n1,n2 are refraction indexes and n1<n2, A1 is the angle of incidence and A2 is the angle of refraction.
Go ahead, please, let's see if you can get the sun to appear near the horizon, when it's actually above us, using these simple laws...
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2014, 11:44:20 AM »
I don't want to get numbers.  I just know that refraction, diffraction, reflection, and diffusion exist.  Then, you guys come here to tell us that light does not bend and only goes in straight lines. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2014, 11:53:44 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
I don't want to get numbers.  I just know that refraction, diffraction, reflection, and diffusion exist.  Then, you guys come here to tell us that light does not bend and only goes in straight lines.

You don't want to get numbers because they prove you wrong... got it!

BTW nobody said that light doesn't bend, what we all said is that it doesn't bend enough for it to have the effects you desire... Think about it, supermasive stars don't have enough mass to bend the light at ~90*, but your model requires that light bend at degreese very close to 90. Try as you might, applying any maths using the physics of optics and relativity, and you will NOT get the results you want.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2014, 02:41:50 PM »
People say that bendy light does not exist all the time.  They claim that light only travels in straight lines.  Are you now accepting that bendy light exists? 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2014, 03:06:26 PM »
Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
People say that bendy light does not exist all the time.  They claim that light only travels in straight lines.  Are you now accepting that bendy light exists?

Let me put it this way: YOUR version of "bendy light" does NOT EXIST.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2014, 11:02:36 PM »
Oh, thanks for the explanation.  In other words, I am wrong just because what I say supports a flat Earth model.  Nice. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2014, 10:25:17 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2014, 11:02:36 PM
Oh, thanks for the explanation.  In other words, I am wrong just because what I say supports a flat Earth model.  Nice.

Wait, so you actually think you're right?
Alright then, present your physical model for this "bendy light" of yours, complete with the mechanisms and calculations, in order for an object above to appear in front (almost at a 90* angle).

If not, you had better shut up, you're embarrassing yourself...
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2014, 12:49:37 PM »
I am embarrassing my self?  I am not the one who just gobbles up everything that is spoon fed to me. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2014, 12:52:43 PM »
Quote from: jroa on April 15, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
I am embarrassing my self?  I am not the one who just gobbles up everything that is spoon fed to me.
We are smart enough not to take everything as "spoon fed". It has to make sense also.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2014, 01:09:23 PM »
Quote from: jroa on April 15, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
I am embarrassing my self?  I am not the one who just gobbles up everything that is spoon fed to me.

Uh, yes you do. You accept FE theory, despite not a shred of evidence.

Us Roundies DO have evidence on the other hand. Demonstrable, irrefutable evidence.

And we are the spoon fed ones? Please...
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2014, 08:17:58 PM »
Have you been here long enough to actually read the threads?  There is a mountain of evidence for the FE. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2014, 09:57:09 PM »
Quote from: jroa on April 15, 2014, 08:17:58 PM
Have you been here long enough to actually read the threads?  There is a mountain of evidence for the FE.
Where is this evidence?
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2014, 10:03:29 PM »
All over this site.  Have you even read any of the threads? 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2014, 12:36:13 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 15, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
I am embarrassing my self?  I am not the one who just gobbles up everything that is spoon fed to me.

Your words are empty and you ARE embarrassing yourself until you present that mathematical model.
Shouldn't be so hard since you say you have "mountains of evidence", right? After all, physics IS mathematics...
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2014, 12:44:34 AM »
I am not the one who logs in to The Flat Earth Society just to say that the Earth is round. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2014, 12:50:11 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 12:44:34 AM
I am not the one who logs in to The Flat Earth Society just to say that the Earth is round.

Indeed, you're not knowledgeable and educated enough to say that. Instead you say it's flat, without presenting your model.
Pathetic.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2014, 12:53:22 AM »
I am pathetic?  Maybe you should look in the mirror? 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2014, 12:54:54 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 12:53:22 AM
I am pathetic?  Maybe you should look in the mirror?

So you're not pathetic? Then by all means make us believe that, by showing us your mathematical model.

I can, and I have on numerous occasions, shown you the mathematics behind my reasoning. Why can't you?
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2014, 12:58:23 AM »
You think I am some kind of math wizard?  Maybe you think I am a witch?  I am just trying to figure you out. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2014, 01:04:08 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 12:58:23 AM
You think I am some kind of math wizard?  Maybe you think I am a witch?  I am just trying to figure you out.

Okay so you're not bright enough to make your own mathematical model. Understandable.
So then why don't you just present one out of the "mountain of evidence" available to you?
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2014, 01:06:31 AM »
I am sorry.  I did not see this mountain of evidence that you claim.  Perhaps you can post a link? 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2014, 01:07:49 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 01:06:31 AM
I am sorry.  I did not see this mountain of evidence that you claim.  Perhaps you can post a link?

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Have you been here long enough to actually read the threads?  There is a mountain of evidence for the FE.

Now present the mathematical model.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2014, 01:15:49 AM »
Mathematical evidence of what?  Pythagorean theorem?  You are a very confusing person. 
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2014, 01:53:09 AM »
Quote from: jroa on April 16, 2014, 01:15:49 AM
Mathematical evidence of what?  Pythagorean theorem?  You are a very confusing person. 

You claimed there's a mountain of evidence for a flat earth. Now present a mathematical model for the flat earth from that mountain of evidence. Stop playing the fool.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2014, 06:08:33 AM »
Quote from: Donk3y on April 13, 2014, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: ELINT on April 13, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 07:59:41 AM


What is happening here?  Is the sun setting below the horizon (the edge of your theoretical disk) or is it getting too far away to see?  If it were getting farther away it would simply get smaller and smaller until it was no longer visible, while always staying above the horizon.

This is a perfect example of perspective. Also the horizon is notably uncurved at the rate of 25,000 miles per circumference.
The vanishing point in this case is at the centre of the sun/light bulb.

I think you might need your eyes checked...

I think a Flat Earth expedition to Lake Uyani would be in order, where it can easily be seen that the Earth is flat, and the horizon is far more than three miles away. There are some good shots of how perspective gives the illusion of the sun setting over the horizon.
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2014, 06:13:25 AM »
Quote from: ELINT on April 16, 2014, 06:08:33 AM
Quote from: Donk3y on April 13, 2014, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: ELINT on April 13, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 07:59:41 AM


What is happening here?  Is the sun setting below the horizon (the edge of your theoretical disk) or is it getting too far away to see?  If it were getting farther away it would simply get smaller and smaller until it was no longer visible, while always staying above the horizon.

This is a perfect example of perspective. Also the horizon is notably uncurved at the rate of 25,000 miles per circumference.
The vanishing point in this case is at the centre of the sun/light bulb.

I think you might need your eyes checked...

I think a Flat Earth expedition to Lake Uyani would be in order, where it can easily be seen that the Earth is flat, and the horizon is far more than three miles away. There are some good shots of how perspective gives the illusion of the sun setting over the horizon.

ELINT: I'm not sure if the forum quote with the sunset image you posted was in response to the previous post since Donk3y was asking for mathematical models of FE. Could you elaborate on your post? Thanks :)
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2014, 06:21:00 AM »
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2014, 06:30:01 AM »
God I am getting old. here's the other one for what it's worth: Vol.6 Salar de Uyuni, BOLIVIA "Uyuni Salt Lake, A Day in Rainy Season" on Vimeo
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Re: Day-night cycle
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2014, 07:14:06 AM »
ELINT: Those are some beautiful panoramic videos, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with them?
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