The Principle

Apparently this film is a documentary about how the old cosmology is wrong, and the earth is the centre of the universe after all.

Is this something that affects a flat earth view, or does FET have nothing to say about the location of the earth in space?

If (as some people will say) there is no "space", what is the earth in?

The Earth is in suspended animation ina true vacuum. A living cell full of bacteria ranging in size, of good and bad in a fight for survival.
There could be an infinite amount of cells just like us in the same or similar states.

Apparently this film is a documentary about how the old cosmology is wrong, and the earth is the centre of the universe after all.

Is this something that affects a flat earth view, or does FET have nothing to say about the location of the earth in space?

If (as some people will say) there is no "space", what is the earth in?

What documentary are you taking about. Let us see it.

Quote from: A Doubter on April 10, 2014, 02:57:12 AM

Apparently this film is a documentary about how the old cosmology is wrong, and the earth is the centre of the universe after all.

Is this something that affects a flat earth view, or does FET have nothing to say about the location of the earth in space?

If (as some people will say) there is no "space", what is the earth in?

What documentary are you taking about. Let us see it.

I have only seen a trailer and a couple of interviews about it.  I haven't seen the whole thing and don't know if the full movie is available yet.

The Earth is in suspended animation ina true vacuum. A living cell full of bacteria ranging in size, of good and bad in a fight for survival.
There could be an infinite amount of cells just like us in the same or similar states.

Can I ask what you mean by suspended animation?  As I understand it, it means the temporary cessation of processes, but clearly that cannot be right on a local level (for example, you replied to my post and I replied to yours).  So if we are in suspended animation, what is going on while we are suspended?  In other words, what is out there while we a stationary?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 03:50:29 AM

The Earth is in suspended animation ina true vacuum. A living cell full of bacteria ranging in size, of good and bad in a fight for survival.
There could be an infinite amount of cells just like us in the same or similar states.

Can I ask what you mean by suspended animation?  As I understand it, it means the temporary cessation of processes, but clearly that cannot be right on a local level (for example, you replied to my post and I replied to yours).  So if we are in suspended animation, what is going on while we are suspended?  In other words, what is out there while we a stationary?

The actual Earth is in suspended animation. Us inside of it can do what we want within the confines of it and with what it allows us to do with it's elements.

Quote from: A Doubter on April 10, 2014, 04:03:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 03:50:29 AM

The Earth is in suspended animation ina true vacuum. A living cell full of bacteria ranging in size, of good and bad in a fight for survival.
There could be an infinite amount of cells just like us in the same or similar states.

Can I ask what you mean by suspended animation?  As I understand it, it means the temporary cessation of processes, but clearly that cannot be right on a local level (for example, you replied to my post and I replied to yours).  So if we are in suspended animation, what is going on while we are suspended?  In other words, what is out there while we a stationary?

The actual Earth is in suspended animation. Us inside of it can do what we want within the confines of it and with what it allows us to do with it's elements.

Yes, I understand that.  I am asking what we are suspended in relation to?  If we are suspended something else has to be moving, or we would not know that we are suspended.  So what is out there that is moving?

Please don't think that scepti is an authority here.

Please don't think that scepti is an authority here.

I don't think anyone's an authority here. Really on either side, we're all laypeople who've studied (or not) on the topics.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 10:21:15 AM

Please don't think that scepti is an authority here.

I don't think anyone's an authority here. Really on either side, we're all laypeople who've studied (or not) on the topics.

There are some qualified people here.
Then again, what does qualified really mean?
It means they paid someone x amount of money for a piece of paper that says they studied something for x amount of years.
The difference is that, that somehow deems them credible.
I've studied a few things for more than a few years extensively, but I'm still not deemed as a "credible" individual.
High capacity? Sure. "Qualified" to make these observations?
I guess you can answer that.

Aside from that and back to my thesis, there are some extremely talented academic minds that post here.
Maybe they make up the minority, but this is a public site, and extreme talent is not the ordinary for the majority of society.

That's a first even for this site - derailed in the first page!

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"The Principle" Documentary Trailer

This is the documentary the op is referring to. http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/ Some of the people who were involved with this are upset that they have been misrepresented. Lawrence Krauss and Kate Mulgrew have both made statements. I think I read somewhere that the Catholic Church has also made statements against this movie, but I can't find them or even where I read that, so maybe they haven't.

Kate Mulgrew  https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151985862292466&id=7122967465

"I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called THE PRINCIPLE. Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in SLATE. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism. More importantly, I do not subscribe to anything Robert Sungenis has written regarding science and history and, had I known of his involvement, would most certainly have avoided this documentary. I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one, at that. I apologize for any confusion that my voice on this trailer may have caused. – Kate Mulgrew"

Lawrence Krauss http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/08/lawrence_krauss_on_ending_up_in_the_geocentricism_documentary_the_principle.html

So, the question I had to face after discovering this abuse of my words was what to do about it. I have no recollection of being interviewed for such a film, and of course had I known of its premise I would have refused. So, either the producers used clips of me that were in the public domain, or they bought them from other production companies that I may have given some rights to distribute my interviews to, or they may have interviewed me under false pretenses, in which case I probably signed some release. I simply don’t know.

I think there are some FE theorists who might think the Earth is the center, but I'm not sure about that.  There are people here with all sorts of different ideas about things, so it wouldn't surprise me if there were a couple FEers who are also geocentrists.

Yes, I understand that.  I am asking what we are suspended in relation to?  If we are suspended something else has to be moving, or we would not know that we are suspended.  So what is out there that is moving?

I don't profess to know it all. My theory is that we are a large (to us) cell in a vacuum, which takes a mind to get around, because we attribute a vacuum at sea level to be a suction pressure and very few people can even think of a vacuum as being nothing or as close to nothing as our primitive minds can assume, as in devoid of all colour, except a blackness that we know for what black is.
The cell of our Earth is basically in this blackness with no up down or anything, it basically does not exist. Yes I know it sounds crazy. What I'm saying is, we cannot sense anything moving except what is going on inside this cell.
The blackness will not reflect light but the clear ice dome, will.
We basically live in our own self sustaining planetarium with projected images of what we believe are planets, stars, sun and moon, etc being in space... but in fact we are watching ourselves, except we won't actually see us, as we are merely tiny little bed bugs in the grand scheme of things to that reflection.... which will naturally pick up the source of the waves that make the light from the centre.

I'm not  going to rule out other possibilities that are on these lines. I can, with 100% certainty, rule out a globe that we walk upon, whether it's still or rotating, as it's absolute utter nonsense, seriously it is.

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

The Earth is in suspended animation

You keep using that phrase. You do not seem to understand what it means.

ina true vacuum.

Another phrase that you do not seem to understand, even using the version of the phrase you defined.

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

This is the documentary the op is referring to. http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/

Thanks Space Cowgirl, that's the one I meant.

The Earth is in suspended animation ina true vacuum. A living cell full of bacteria ranging in size, of good and bad in a fight for survival.
There could be an infinite amount of cells just like us in the same or similar states.

I don't suppose you can actually prove this empty claim...

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Indeed, you only need to visit a port and see the incoming boats to figure that one out...

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Then why did you say, "Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth."

It sure sounds to me like you are talking about your surroundings to me and not the whole earth. You were implying that your immediate surroundings would prove that the earth as a whole is flat despite the fact that, generally speaking, everyone's surroundings are in fact, NOT FLAT!

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Then why did you say, "Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth."

It sure sounds to me like you are talking about your surroundings to me and not the whole earth. You were implying that your immediate surroundings would prove that the earth as a whole is flat despite the fact that, generally speaking, everyone's surroundings are in fact, NOT FLAT!

My immediate visual surroundings anywhere I can be on this Earth, indicate to me that as a whole, the Earth is generally flat.
Get it?
Again, I'm not debating whether or not the terrain of this flat Earth is uniformly level.
I'm not sure where you've gotten that idea from.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 12:42:16 PM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Then why did you say, "Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth."

It sure sounds to me like you are talking about your surroundings to me and not the whole earth. You were implying that your immediate surroundings would prove that the earth as a whole is flat despite the fact that, generally speaking, everyone's surroundings are in fact, NOT FLAT!

My immediate visual surroundings anywhere I can be on this Earth, indicate to me that as a whole, the Earth is generally flat.
Get it?
Again, I'm not debating whether or not the terrain of this flat Earth is uniformly level.
I'm not sure where you've gotten that idea from.

So, you're immediate surroundings aren't flat and somehow this means the earth is flat as a whole?

I know you are just trying on the flat earth hat here but you can do better than this.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:52:43 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 12:42:16 PM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Then why did you say, "Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth."

It sure sounds to me like you are talking about your surroundings to me and not the whole earth. You were implying that your immediate surroundings would prove that the earth as a whole is flat despite the fact that, generally speaking, everyone's surroundings are in fact, NOT FLAT!

My immediate visual surroundings anywhere I can be on this Earth, indicate to me that as a whole, the Earth is generally flat.
Get it?
Again, I'm not debating whether or not the terrain of this flat Earth is uniformly level.
I'm not sure where you've gotten that idea from.

So, you're immediate surroundings aren't flat and somehow this means the earth is flat as a whole?

I know you are just trying on the flat earth hat here but you can do better than this.

I'm saying I've never witnessed curvature on a global scale.
You're picking at straws here.

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 01:09:30 PM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:52:43 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 12:42:16 PM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on April 11, 2014, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: hewholikespie on April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 01:17:29 PM

You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.

Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

Want to explain more?
I'm not trying to debate the existence of mountains with you.

You claimed that your visual surroundings indicate a flat earth and his response was that that doesn't seem to be true. If anyone has any splainin to do it would be you. If I look out my window it doesn't look very flat at all.

Flat is referring the the general shape of Earth as a whole.
You know this.

Then why did you say, "Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth."

It sure sounds to me like you are talking about your surroundings to me and not the whole earth. You were implying that your immediate surroundings would prove that the earth as a whole is flat despite the fact that, generally speaking, everyone's surroundings are in fact, NOT FLAT!

My immediate visual surroundings anywhere I can be on this Earth, indicate to me that as a whole, the Earth is generally flat.
Get it?
Again, I'm not debating whether or not the terrain of this flat Earth is uniformly level.
I'm not sure where you've gotten that idea from.

So, you're immediate surroundings aren't flat and somehow this means the earth is flat as a whole?

I know you are just trying on the flat earth hat here but you can do better than this.

I'm saying I've never witnessed curvature on a global scale.
You're picking at straws here.

What have you ever witnessed on a global scale? Anything?

Here's an easier way to disprove the flat earth bullshit:

The earth has these "parallels" on it (the latitude). There's 0 at the equator, and 90 up and down. Let's take 45, for example. The length of the 45th north parallel should be equal (at least approximately) to the length of the south parallel, which is what we see and measure.

If the flat earth were true, these parallels would be circles around the north pole. That image of yours shows the equator. The circles closer to the north poles are the analogs to the north parallels and the ones closer to the "ice wall" are analogous to the south parallels. As you can see, taking the 45th north (half way from equator to the north pole) and the 45th south (half way from the equator to the wall), you can clearly see the 45th north being waaaay smaller than the 45th south.

Any questions?

What have you ever witnessed on a global scale? Anything?

Human stupidity.