Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 11:42:28 AM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 10, 2014, 09:06:22 AM

in the left window of the shuttle? I see something that looks like a MRE bag, perhaps. on OUR left side, I see a bunch of cloth balled up that an imaginative person could see any number of objects with, especially if they were always looking at pictures with the intent of believing they were fake.

I'll let people be the judge of that, let's see what people think it could be.
Zoom in to 200% for a better look if need be.

There is absolutely no way you can predict what you see in the windows model or real.

I agree. I couldn't swear on what it is but it certainly resembles an appendage, probably put in there as a joke to see if it gets noticed. I bet they laughed like hell doing it. Probably as much as they laughed by putting the sink hole strainer on the shuttle model.
It reminds me of Dr who and the Daleks with their sink plunger  arm and bog gear stick knob sticking out of their heads.
Did anyone notice the perforated plastic sink plug hole strainer?

Here is a close up of another shuttle in space. There is too much precise detail to me a model. You can see all the heat tiles with it's location code numbers.

If you look inside a bit it is the dashboard that was circled from the last closeup up picture.

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 10, 2014, 05:09:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 04:56:40 AM

If anyone needs any more proof that they take us lot for absolute dicks or knob heads, take a look at the left window and zoom in.
Talk about pulling our plonkers, they're actually pulled the skin right back over our heads by the looks of things. 

Please tell me who are THEY behind this? What is the name of their group, names of people if you have them, where they live, and their exact objectives and why they do it?

The people who are paid to put this garbage out. I don't know their names, I just see what they put out. Someone is doing it and those responsible are responsible to taking people for mugs and probably laughing their heads off as they put this stuff out, time and time again.

So who would be paid more, a guy photoshopping fake pictures or the guy who blows the whistle and informs all media the Earth is Flat and the Space Shuttle is a sham and NASA was one big hoax and he has first hand knowledge of this? Why do you think these people have some incredible ability to keep a secret?

And what is that point of light that passes silently overhead which, when you look at it through good binoculars or a telescope, looks an awful lot like the ISS?

 Why do you think these people have some incredible ability to keep a secret?

And because in your mind you cannot see anything strange, you believe nobody else should be able to.
Where I work a couple of people in management know what is going on and control the direction of the business and the other hundred below them know shit.

The rendezvous process is not like driving a car where you speed up and then slow down.

Yeh, I did think for a minute there it might be like docking two cars moving at 100km/h on solid level ground using a brake and an accelerator.
But its probably is easier to do it at over 27,000 km/h off the ground with no brake or throttle control.

Tappet where you work is involved of a world wide cover up keeping NASA, all knowledge of space, all real physics, gravity theory being fake, GPS and satellite myth, and he fact the entire world being a sphere is not only a lie, but every photo and space mission has been a 100% hoax? We aren't talking about the guy who makes the secret sauce at McDonalds is not aware of the fry guy is doing. So no, nobody could keep that a secret of such a massive scale. And if this were possible in this mythological world that does not exist, you wouldn't find silly flaws in the photos.

You have never wondered why you receive all of this important information?
I get it. Jer9999 is so important he must be informed with all latest developments we must tell him the truth for if we tell any lies he will see straight through us.

You have never wondered why you receive all of this important information?
I get it. Jer9999 is so important he must be informed with all latest developments we must tell him the truth for if we tell any lies he will see straight through us.

So how do you think satellite tv works in millions of homes?

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 04:13:32 AM

The rendezvous process is not like driving a car where you speed up and then slow down.

Yeh, I did think for a minute there it might be like docking two cars moving at 100km/h on solid level ground using a brake and an accelerator.
But its probably is easier to do it at over 27,000 km/h off the ground with no brake or throttle control.

Actually, a better analogy would probably be air-to-air refueling, but without the turbulence, and with the ability to actually have some braking effect thanks to the maneuvering jets.

So how do you think satellite tv works in millions of homes?

Don't know, why don't I need a dish on the roof of my car for sat nav?

Actually, a better analogy would probably be air-to-air refueling, but without the turbulence, and with the ability to actually have some braking effect thanks to the maneuvering jets.

I would like to see this attempted at 27,000 km/h.
I don't believe anyone on this forum would understand what 27,000 km/h means  in reality, myself included.

A manoeuvring jet has to push against something to work, at 27,000 km/h that would be pretty tricky.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 10:45:51 PM

So how do you think satellite tv works in millions of homes?

Don't know, why don't I need a dish on the roof of my car for sat nav?

Find out!  Both use satellites in different ways.

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 11:20:54 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 10:45:51 PM

So how do you think satellite tv works in millions of homes?

Don't know, why don't I need a dish on the roof of my car for sat nav?

Find out!  Both use satellites in different ways.

You ask me how I think a satellite works. I say "I don't know" so you say "find out!"
So I will ask you, how many female flowers are on one panicle inside of the spathiphyllum of coco nucifera. 

Quote from: inquisitive on April 11, 2014, 12:07:37 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 11:20:54 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 10, 2014, 10:45:51 PM

So how do you think satellite tv works in millions of homes?

Don't know, why don't I need a dish on the roof of my car for sat nav?

Find out!  Both use satellites in different ways.

You ask me how I think a satellite works. I say "I don't know" so you say "find out!"
So I will ask you, how many female flowers are on one panicle inside of the spathiphyllum of coco nucifera.

Plenty of information on the internet. Instead of saying satellites do not exist look up all the details.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 07, 2014, 01:48:25 AM

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .

And I thought this is what I said. I thought they did exist maybe I am wrong?

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 07, 2014, 01:48:25 AM

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .

And I thought this is what I said. I thought they did exist maybe I am wrong?

How do they exist then?

Quote from: tappet on April 11, 2014, 12:36:40 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 07, 2014, 01:48:25 AM

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .

And I thought this is what I said. I thought they did exist maybe I am wrong?

How do they exist then?

I can spend 10 minutes searching google then come back parroting what I have just read like any REer pretending I am an expert on the subject.
Or I can be honest and tell you I don't know.
I cannot believe the Earth is rotating at such speed with an object in space rotating at the same high speed unattached to the earth sending a signal to my dish for my tv. Yet if I move the dish slightly no more tv.
If I were to guess I would say the earth is flat nothing moves, the satellite is in the sky suspended in such a way I do not understand.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 11, 2014, 12:45:58 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 11, 2014, 12:36:40 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 07, 2014, 01:48:25 AM

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .

And I thought this is what I said. I thought they did exist maybe I am wrong?

How do they exist then?

I can spend 10 minutes searching google then come back parroting what I have just read like any REer pretending I am an expert on the subject.
Or I can be honest and tell you I don't know.
I cannot believe the Earth is rotating at such speed with an object in space rotating at the same high speed unattached to the earth sending a signal to my dish for my tv. Yet if I move the dish slightly no more tv.
If I were to guess I would say the earth is flat nothing moves, the satellite is in the sky suspended in such a way I do not understand.

You realize that the speed something rotates depends on the size of the object, and the period in which it rotates one full circuit, correct?

Basically, what you're saying is because you don't understand how it works, you don't believe it does?

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

It will big time. Try it sometime.

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

Well, starman answered before me, and I know he's more knowledgeable on the ISS than I am

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 11, 2014, 05:56:51 AM

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

It will big time. Try it sometime.

What kind of trail will it leave?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 11, 2014, 12:45:58 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 11, 2014, 12:36:40 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 07, 2014, 01:48:25 AM

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .

And I thought this is what I said. I thought they did exist maybe I am wrong?

How do they exist then?

I can spend 10 minutes searching google then come back parroting what I have just read like any REer pretending I am an expert on the subject.
Or I can be honest and tell you I don't know.
I cannot believe the Earth is rotating at such speed with an object in space rotating at the same high speed unattached to the earth sending a signal to my dish for my tv. Yet if I move the dish slightly no more tv.
If I were to guess I would say the earth is flat nothing moves, the satellite is in the sky suspended in such a way I do not understand.

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:03:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 11, 2014, 05:56:51 AM

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

It will big time. Try it sometime.

What kind of trail will it leave?

If you would know anything about cameras and exposure you would know.

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:03:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 11, 2014, 05:56:51 AM

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

It will big time. Try it sometime.

What kind of trail will it leave?

It would look something like this:



You could always just take your own picture and see for yourself. Surely a professional photographer like you would have a camera capable of a 2 minute exposure?

Does the ISS make a trail if it's picture is took with a camera on a 2 minute exposure setting?

It might be best to explain something about exposure to sceptimatic. That 2 minute exposure would best be done on a dark night. (New moon or no moon light). There are some charts on another thread as to how long the ISS would be visible. You would need  to know where the ISS is and if it would be visible for at least 2 minutes for your 2  minute time exposure.

Here is the website for finding where and when to look for the ISS. Enter your own location.
I have used Fort Davis, Texas as an example. Also notice  there are only 2 times listed when the ISS would be visible long enough for your 2 minute time exposure.
http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/view.cfm?country=United_States&region=Texas&city=Fort_Davis#.U0iRv5t5GEo

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

I could be wrong but I thought tv comes from geostationary satellite.
So if the earth is spinning at 1670km/h at the equator and the satellite is 35,000 km away in space how fast does it now travel to keep up with my tv?
What is this invisible string that holds this satellite in this position at this incredible distance at high speed in line with my tv?
You must be a fan of Arthur C Clarke.

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:16:27 AM

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

I could be wrong but I thought tv comes from geostationary satellite.
So if the earth is spinning at 1670km/h at the equator and the satellite is 35,000 km away in space how fast does it now travel to keep up with my tv?
What is this invisible string that holds this satellite in this position at this incredible distance at high speed in line with my tv?
You must be a fan of Arthur C Clarke.

Yes, it's clever.  Look up how it works, more details online, quicker than writing here.