Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Quote from: Antonio on April 07, 2014, 02:57:24 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

I think you are jumping to conclusions a bit early. You are assuming that

- its a wire
- it cannot be bent this way

In fact, it may be a flexible hose, insulated with flexible PU/EPDM foam like this one :

I have this kind of setup for my home solar panels, and it's worth  at least 10 cm diameter.
I don't see why this stuff cannot be used on the shuttle, and it matches the alleged overall dimensions.

If your beliefs tell you they cannot be 3mm wires you will have to search for an alternative explanation. You found yours, its your choice.

My beliefs don't matter here. I don't know what  these wires/hoses are made of. Neither do you.
I'm giving you an alternative rational explanation. Why do you discard it ?

My beliefs don't matter here. I don't know what  these wires/hoses are made of. Neither do you.
I'm giving you an alternative rational explanation. Why do you discard it ?

I feel as though my pictures resemble what we see closer than yours.

Not every flag is made from cloth.

Do you think a small bunch of those wires would fill the same approximate area as a single stripe on the flag?

Quote from: Antonio on April 07, 2014, 03:32:54 AM

My beliefs don't matter here. I don't know what  these wires/hoses are made of. Neither do you.
I'm giving you an alternative rational explanation. Why do you discard it ?

I feel as though my pictures resemble what we see closer than yours.

Not even close. Did you see the picture I posted earlier. Is it that one?

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

I think you are jumping to conclusions a bit early. You are assuming that

- its a wire
- it cannot be bent this way

In fact, it may be a flexible hose, insulated with flexible PU/EPDM foam like this one :



I have this kind of setup for my home solar panels, and it's worth  at least 10 cm diameter.
I don't see why this stuff cannot be used on the shuttle, and it matches the alleged overall dimensions.

I think a little bit of homework might be in order to actually see what makes foam, foam. When you sort that out, then try and stick it in your space on wiring.

Your vacuum is going to strip out the air from all of your components. It's sensible to understand how this would be a major problem.

Quote from: Antonio on April 07, 2014, 02:57:24 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

I think you are jumping to conclusions a bit early. You are assuming that

- its a wire
- it cannot be bent this way

In fact, it may be a flexible hose, insulated with flexible PU/EPDM foam like this one :

I have this kind of setup for my home solar panels, and it's worth  at least 10 cm diameter.
I don't see why this stuff cannot be used on the shuttle, and it matches the alleged overall dimensions.

I think a little bit of homework might be in order to actually see what makes foam, foam. When you sort that out, then try and stick it in your space on wiring.

Your vacuum is going to strip out the air from all of your components. It's sensible to understand how this would be a major problem.

Thank you for your contribution, but as your vacuum/pressure definition is still on the drawing board, don't be upset if it's discarded until further experimentation.

It a blatant mocked  up photo using a model . altitude & orbiting angle give it up. I think it was a nice touch though adding the BS earth curvature. It's truly amazing how NASA photos never contain any stars.   

It a blatant mocked  up photo using a model . altitude & orbiting angle give it up. I think it was a nice touch though adding the BS earth curvature. It's truly amazing how NASA photos never contain any stars.   

No, it's really not amazing. Go into a dark room, preferably like a warehouse where you might get some sort of scale. Set one really bright light, fairly close to the camera, and then lots of other dim lights, off in the background, far far away, and let me know how many of the dim lights show up in a picture

It a blatant mocked  up photo using a model . altitude & orbiting angle give it up. I think it was a nice touch though adding the BS earth curvature. It's truly amazing how NASA photos never contain any stars.   

If you stand under a street light you will not see stars around it either.

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

George Lucas could make a picture like that for a fraction of the cost. 

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 09, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

There's no friction in "space".

If the ISS is traveling at over 27,000 km/h does the space shuttle have to go faster to catch it?

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:01:40 PM

Can you go ahead and put an arrow to what exactly you're referring to?

No, I have no idea how to. Although I am often accused of doctoring my photos.
The large tube behind the cabin. Just zoom in on it.
You cannot miss the wires.

Think about this: If the powers that be can convince the entire world that a flat Earth is round creating the greatest hoax of all time, and fooling everyone that so much technology is a total sham, don't you think they could make perfect photos? Would they really be able to fake satellites existence but not be able to do a proper photoshop or CGI or staged photo?

, don't you think they could make perfect photos? Would they really be able to fake satellites existence but not be able to do a proper photoshop or CGI or staged photo?

They  obviously do not need perfect photos.
Your belief is so strong, to you there has never been a dodgy photo.

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 09, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

Yeah, not hard when there's no wind.

If the ISS is traveling at over 27,000 km/h does the space shuttle have to go faster to catch it?

Knowing the little bit I know about how orbits work, I'd say the shuttle would sit in a slightly lower orbit (which would have it moving faster than the ISS) until it got close enough, then ascend and slow to match the height and speed of the ISS.

Quote from: tappet on April 09, 2014, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 09, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

Yeah, not hard when there's no wind.

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 01:47:25 AM

If the ISS is traveling at over 27,000 km/h does the space shuttle have to go faster to catch it?

Knowing the little bit I know about how orbits work, I'd say the shuttle would sit in a slightly lower orbit (which would have it moving faster than the ISS) until it got close enough, then ascend and slow to match the height and speed of the ISS.

What you are saying is the shuttle throttles at over 27,000 km/h, ascends, backs off the throttle to match the speed of the ISS then shuts the rockets off to then fall around the earth with the ISS.
Have I got this correct?

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 10, 2014, 02:30:15 AM

, don't you think they could make perfect photos? Would they really be able to fake satellites existence but not be able to do a proper photoshop or CGI or staged photo?

They  obviously do not need perfect photos.
Your belief is so strong, to you there has never been a dodgy photo.

Can you find any photographic experst to support your position?

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 02:54:53 AM

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 10, 2014, 02:30:15 AM

, don't you think they could make perfect photos? Would they really be able to fake satellites existence but not be able to do a proper photoshop or CGI or staged photo?

They  obviously do not need perfect photos.
Your belief is so strong, to you there has never been a dodgy photo.

Can you find any photographic experst to support your position?

Can you find one to support your position?

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 10, 2014, 02:59:41 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 09, 2014, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 09, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

Yeah, not hard when there's no wind.

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 01:47:25 AM

If the ISS is traveling at over 27,000 km/h does the space shuttle have to go faster to catch it?

Knowing the little bit I know about how orbits work, I'd say the shuttle would sit in a slightly lower orbit (which would have it moving faster than the ISS) until it got close enough, then ascend and slow to match the height and speed of the ISS.

What you are saying is the shuttle throttles at over 27,000 km/h, ascends, backs off the throttle to match the speed of the ISS then shuts the rockets off to then fall around the earth with the ISS.
Have I got this correct?

You are making your on conclusion on how it works. The Shuttle will fly on a lower orbit which it goes faster then the ISS. At a certain precise point it will burn to increase the to the same altitude to the ISS. The rendezvous process is not like driving a car where you speed up and then slow down.

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 10, 2014, 02:59:41 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 09, 2014, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 09, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I take it no one else has spotted the astronaut in the top left region of this picture? Might pay to take a closer look.

You mean the one that just ducked outside to fit the new phenogolin pin they had been waiting for.
Looks pretty relaxed changing that pin whilst traveling at 27,000 km/h.

Yeah, not hard when there's no wind.

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 01:47:25 AM

If the ISS is traveling at over 27,000 km/h does the space shuttle have to go faster to catch it?

Knowing the little bit I know about how orbits work, I'd say the shuttle would sit in a slightly lower orbit (which would have it moving faster than the ISS) until it got close enough, then ascend and slow to match the height and speed of the ISS.

What you are saying is the shuttle throttles at over 27,000 km/h, ascends, backs off the throttle to match the speed of the ISS then shuts the rockets off to then fall around the earth with the ISS.
Have I got this correct?

Almost. The shuttle would accelerate from launch to the required speed for it's lower orbit, then shut off the engines and 'coast' (remembering there's almost no drag at this point because, although there's still a bit of atmosphere at this height, it's extremely thin). Once it reached a point where it could ascend to rendezvous with the ISS, it would make the required burn to ascend and slow, then use the maneuvering jets to make the final fine adjustments. Alternatively, the launch could be timed so that the shuttle rendezvous directly with the ISS from launch, without any time spent playing catch-up.

If anyone zooms right in you can see the model is made out of fibre glass or plaster covered pot like what they put on a broken ar, Probably fibre glass though.
If anyone needs any more proof that they take us lot for absolute dicks or knob heads, take a look at the left window and zoom in.
Talk about pulling our plonkers, they're actually pulled the skin right back over our heads by the looks of things. 

If anyone needs any more proof that they take us lot for absolute dicks or knob heads, take a look at the left window and zoom in.
Talk about pulling our plonkers, they're actually pulled the skin right back over our heads by the looks of things. 

Please tell me who are THEY behind this? What is the name of their group, names of people if you have them, where they live, and their exact objectives and why they do it?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 04:56:40 AM

If anyone needs any more proof that they take us lot for absolute dicks or knob heads, take a look at the left window and zoom in.
Talk about pulling our plonkers, they're actually pulled the skin right back over our heads by the looks of things. 

Please tell me who are THEY behind this? What is the name of their group, names of people if you have them, where they live, and their exact objectives and why they do it?

The people who are paid to put this garbage out. I don't know their names, I just see what they put out. Someone is doing it and those responsible are responsible to taking people for mugs and probably laughing their heads off as they put this stuff out, time and time again.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 10, 2014, 04:02:45 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 10, 2014, 02:54:53 AM

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 10, 2014, 02:30:15 AM

, don't you think they could make perfect photos? Would they really be able to fake satellites existence but not be able to do a proper photoshop or CGI or staged photo?

They  obviously do not need perfect photos.
Your belief is so strong, to you there has never been a dodgy photo.

Can you find any photographic experst to support your position?

Can you find one to support your position?

You are the one making the claim.

Why do you think you can spot all these fakes, yet all the world's experts say nothing?  What expertise do you bring to the table?

Go and take a look at the appendage in the left window of the model shuttle. If you zoom in your can clearly make out what it is. Let's see who sees it and who doesn't.

Go and take a look at the appendage in the left window of the model shuttle. If you zoom in your can clearly make out what it is. Let's see who sees it and who doesn't.

in the left window of the shuttle? I see something that looks like a MRE bag, perhaps. on OUR left side, I see a bunch of cloth balled up that an imaginative person could see any number of objects with, especially if they were always looking at pictures with the intent of believing they were fake.

in the left window of the shuttle? I see something that looks like a MRE bag, perhaps. on OUR left side, I see a bunch of cloth balled up that an imaginative person could see any number of objects with, especially if they were always looking at pictures with the intent of believing they were fake.

I'll let people be the judge of that, let's see what people think it could be.
Zoom in to 200% for a better look if need be.

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 10, 2014, 09:06:22 AM

in the left window of the shuttle? I see something that looks like a MRE bag, perhaps. on OUR left side, I see a bunch of cloth balled up that an imaginative person could see any number of objects with, especially if they were always looking at pictures with the intent of believing they were fake.

I'll let people be the judge of that, let's see what people think it could be.
Zoom in to 200% for a better look if need be.

There is absolutely no way you can predict what you see in the windows model or real.