Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Here it is the space shuttle endeavour.
As you know I can not go to space. So I was looking at this picture just the other day in awe at the achievements of man. I got excited zoomed in on the picture looking at the workmanship and detail of this grand machine.
But then, WTF just behind the cabin on that probe/tube there is some 3mm single core wiring.
Zoom in on it. Look at the way it lays, have a look its pliable in loops complete with taped joiners.
If you are still unsure go outside pop the bonnet of you car and have a look.
This shuttle is a model no more than 10ft long.
If that wiring was that diameter in relationship to the size of that shuttle the wiring would be rigid like steel.
I have no idea if satellites/shuttles are real, but I do believe with this particular example it is nothing more than a toy.
This is why I ask;
                      Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Can you go ahead and put an arrow to what exactly you're referring to?

Can you go ahead and put an arrow to what exactly you're referring to?

No, I have no idea how to. Although I am often accused of doctoring my photos.
The large tube behind the cabin. Just zoom in on it.
You cannot miss the wires.

these wires?

Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Absolutely! If that were not possible, then this site would not exist, because all the flatties would have realised that that really is the ISS that you can see in the evening sky (occasionally), and that the footage from the moon landings would have been impossible to fake, and that all their 'reasons' for stuff disappearing over the horizon because of 'perspective' or 'atmospheric opacity' are BS. In one breath, many flatties will say "the earth looks flat, therefore it is flat", and in the very next breath they will say "the sun falling below the horizon is just an illusion, it's not actually setting". If that's not clouded vision, I don't know what is.

Also...

Here it is the space shuttle endeavour.
...
But then, WTF just behind the cabin on that probe/tube there is some 3mm single core wiring.
...

...can you be sure? It could just as easily be a wrapped wiring loom, or a hydraulic line, or something like that.

Here it is the space shuttle endeavour.
As you know I can not go to space. So I was looking at this picture just the other day in awe at the achievements of man. I got excited zoomed in on the picture looking at the workmanship and detail of this grand machine.
But then, WTF just behind the cabin on that probe/tube there is some 3mm single core wiring.
Zoom in on it. Look at the way it lays, have a look its pliable in loops complete with taped joiners.
If you are still unsure go outside pop the bonnet of you car and have a look.
This shuttle is a model no more than 10ft long.
If that wiring was that diameter in relationship to the size of that shuttle the wiring would be rigid like steel.
I have no idea if satellites/shuttles are real, but I do believe with this particular example it is nothing more than a toy.
This is why I ask;
                      Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

How do you know it is wiring you see. It is steel tubing you idiot. They don't expose wire in the UV rays of the sun. What made you think it was 10 ft long it could be 100 ft.

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

 It is steel tubing you idiot.

Why do you feel the need to call me an idiot?
Could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing thanks.

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:17:41 PM

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

Edit me the photo of the exact wires you are referring to.

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 05:56:28 PM

 It is steel tubing you idiot.

Why do you feel the need to call me an idiot?
Could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing thanks.

Because it is so ridiculous that you believe it is a model that is why. Every time you see a picture from space your mind goes in FAKE mode. Are you telling me all the picture of the shuttle and videos of 100 launches and millions of people that saw it go in space including me is all fake. I was at one launch and was not fake.

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:12:12 PM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:17:41 PM

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

Edit me the photo of the exact wires you are referring to.

Look at the image RandomREalist supplied.
Now again since according to you I  am an idiot, could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing please?

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 06:18:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:12:12 PM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:17:41 PM

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

Edit me the photo of the exact wires you are referring to.

Look at the image RandomREalist supplied.
Now again since according to you I  am an idiot, could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing please?

I will have to do some research to find out but you can't say what how big it is easier. You are assuming it is a model. Listen the shuttle program has been going on for 30 years with 137 flights. See here is the list of all the flights. I was at the STS-60. Are you telling me the whole shuttle program never existed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:27:07 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 06:18:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:12:12 PM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:17:41 PM

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

Edit me the photo of the exact wires you are referring to.

Look at the image RandomREalist supplied.
Now again since according to you I  am an idiot, could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing please?

I will have to do some research to find out but you can't say what how big it is easier. You are assuming it is a model. Listen the shuttle program has been going on for 30 years with 137 flights. See here is the list of all the flights. I was at the STS-60. Are you telling me the whole shuttle program never existed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions

Settle down, go back and re-read my initial post. If you can understand what I have written I am stating this particular photo is of a model.
 Are you yourself doubting the whole shuttle program ever existed?  Why ask me, I don't know.
Then do your research and get back to me with that steel tubing diameter.
Cheers

I'm looking for some info as well. Unfortunately, there really isn't anything in the photo that can be used to come to an agreement on the size of it. But, I will try.

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 06:32:46 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:27:07 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 06:18:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:12:12 PM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 06, 2014, 05:17:41 PM

these wires?

Yes, and with this image it allows you to see the wires for what they really are. If you were to show somebody just this image they would instantly know they are 3mm wires.
If you put these wires on a model then in your mind they have to become something bigger like hydraulic hoses etc. to stay in relation to the size of the shuttle.

Edit me the photo of the exact wires you are referring to.

Look at the image RandomREalist supplied.
Now again since according to you I  am an idiot, could you give me an estimate of the diameter of that steel tubing please?

I will have to do some research to find out but you can't say what how big it is easier. You are assuming it is a model. Listen the shuttle program has been going on for 30 years with 137 flights. See here is the list of all the flights. I was at the STS-60. Are you telling me the whole shuttle program never existed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions

Settle down, go back and re-read my initial post. If you can understand what I have written I am stating this particular photo is of a model.
 Are you yourself doubting the whole shuttle program ever existed?  Why ask me, I don't know.
Then do your research and get back to me with that steel tubing diameter.
Cheers

You are saying the photo is a fake? What will it prove if I find you the details on the "International Docking Adapter". That is what it is called. To find all the detailed construction is not easy. Before I spend time looking for that on your behalf you have to tell me if any of the 137 shuttle mission existed. If you believe it did not I am not going to waste my time to show you something you will not believe anyways. So did any of shuttle missions ever existed?

You are saying the photo is a fake? What will it prove if I find you the details on the "International Docking Adapter". That is what it is called. To find all the detailed construction is not easy. Before I spend time looking for that on your behalf you have to tell me if any of the 137 shuttle mission existed. If you believe it did not I am not going to waste my time to show you something you will not believe anyways. So did any of shuttle missions ever existed?

No its not fake its a real photo of a model.
Tell you what, wipe the eye snot out of the corner of your eyes and look at the photo for what it really is. Do this before you go and program your mind with construction details. There is no need to waste your time.
Did the shuttle program exist? I have no idea.
I am just looking at a photo of a toy shuttle. It  could of been an R/C car , boat, helicopter etc...
Oh, can you with your eyes give me an estimate of that steel tube diameter? A rough estimate would be sufficient.

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 07:00:19 PM

You are saying the photo is a fake? What will it prove if I find you the details on the "International Docking Adapter". That is what it is called. To find all the detailed construction is not easy. Before I spend time looking for that on your behalf you have to tell me if any of the 137 shuttle mission existed. If you believe it did not I am not going to waste my time to show you something you will not believe anyways. So did any of shuttle missions ever existed?

No its not fake its a real photo of a model.
Tell you what, wipe the eye snot out of the corner of your eyes and look at the photo for what it really is. Do this before you go and program your mind with construction details. There is no need to waste your time.
Did the shuttle program exist? I have no idea.
I am just looking at a photo of a toy shuttle. It  could of been an R/C car , boat, helicopter etc...
Oh, can you with your eyes give me an estimate of that steel tube diameter? A rough estimate would be sufficient.

Ok, so the best I can find is that the U.S. flag, in the back, SHOULD be a 4x6' flag, and that the 3 "line" bundle looks like it would comfortably fit in a single stripe on the flag, so I'm going to say they're at least 1" thick.

With that said, I'm tired, my math might be off, so good night flat and round earthers alike.

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 07:00:19 PM

You are saying the photo is a fake? What will it prove if I find you the details on the "International Docking Adapter". That is what it is called. To find all the detailed construction is not easy. Before I spend time looking for that on your behalf you have to tell me if any of the 137 shuttle mission existed. If you believe it did not I am not going to waste my time to show you something you will not believe anyways. So did any of shuttle missions ever existed?

No its not fake its a real photo of a model.
Tell you what, wipe the eye snot out of the corner of your eyes and look at the photo for what it really is. Do this before you go and program your mind with construction details. There is no need to waste your time.
Did the shuttle program exist? I have no idea.
I am just looking at a photo of a toy shuttle. It  could of been an R/C car , boat, helicopter etc...
Oh, can you with your eyes give me an estimate of that steel tube diameter? A rough estimate would be sufficient.

If you think the picture is a model them you are wrong. I looked at videos of space walks close to the assembly. There are some coated wires and conductor pipes. You are going to edit the picture and point to the exact item you are referring to.
As far a you don't know if the missions ever existed don't you think it is time for you to find out. There are tones of information on it. If you have a difficulty of telling the difference what is real or not then you have a problem. This is the 21st century. Don't you think in today's technology we could not have men in space.

Quote from: tappet on April 06, 2014, 07:20:32 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 07:00:19 PM

You are saying the photo is a fake? What will it prove if I find you the details on the "International Docking Adapter". That is what it is called. To find all the detailed construction is not easy. Before I spend time looking for that on your behalf you have to tell me if any of the 137 shuttle mission existed. If you believe it did not I am not going to waste my time to show you something you will not believe anyways. So did any of shuttle missions ever existed?

No its not fake its a real photo of a model.
Tell you what, wipe the eye snot out of the corner of your eyes and look at the photo for what it really is. Do this before you go and program your mind with construction details. There is no need to waste your time.
Did the shuttle program exist? I have no idea.
I am just looking at a photo of a toy shuttle. It  could of been an R/C car , boat, helicopter etc...
Oh, can you with your eyes give me an estimate of that steel tube diameter? A rough estimate would be sufficient.

Ok, so the best I can find is that the U.S. flag, in the back, SHOULD be a 4x6' flag, and that the 3 "line" bundle looks like it would comfortably fit in a single stripe on the flag, so I'm going to say they're at least 1" thick.

With that said, I'm tired, my math might be off, so good night flat and round earthers alike.

Good estimate. Some videos i saw it look to be close to 3 inches. Have a good sleep.

Ok, so the best I can find is that the U.S. flag, in the back, SHOULD be a 4x6' flag,

Flag looks a little odd also. Where is its edge?
It looks like it might be a print on a white background.

Good estimate. Some videos i saw it look to be close to 3 inches.

So you estimate the steel tubing to be roughly 3".

Are you talking about the big dark color round assembly that is attached from the shuttle bay to the ISS?

Are you talking about the big dark color round assembly that is attached from the shuttle bay to the ISS?

If you cannot get yourself up to speed in this discussion, how can you just jump in and imply that somebody is an idiot when you seem unable to grasp what is being discussed? That takes the cake!
Before you roam around calling people idiots take your foot out of your mouth.

If is what you are talking about? It is big. It is the size a a very small car. People and supplies must pass through it.

Quote from: Starman on April 06, 2014, 07:51:13 PM

Are you talking about the big dark color round assembly that is attached from the shuttle bay to the ISS?

If you cannot get yourself up to speed in this discussion, how can you just jump in and imply that somebody is an idiot when you seem unable to grasp what is being discussed? That takes the cake!
Before you roam around calling people idiots take your foot out of your mouth.

Listen. I don't want to be mean to you but it is frustration to see people like you have and instant conspiracy and fake attitude of things like that. How did it come about you think like that?

Like I said before, can you be sure it's 3mm single core? It really does look more like a wiring loom to me, especially following one of the runs down to where it splits into two separate runs. Also, there is an astronaut in the top left area of the picture. He/she would be a good reference for trying to estimate sizes.

Here it is the space shuttle endeavour.
As you know I can not go to space. So I was looking at this picture just the other day in awe at the achievements of man. I got excited zoomed in on the picture looking at the workmanship and detail of this grand machine.
But then, WTF just behind the cabin on that probe/tube there is some 3mm single core wiring.
Zoom in on it. Look at the way it lays, have a look its pliable in loops complete with taped joiners.
If you are still unsure go outside pop the bonnet of you car and have a look.
This shuttle is a model no more than 10ft long.
If that wiring was that diameter in relationship to the size of that shuttle the wiring would be rigid like steel.
I have no idea if satellites/shuttles are real, but I do believe with this particular example it is nothing more than a toy.
This is why I ask;
                      Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

May I ask you the same question, tappet?

You may. I would never deny that my vision would be clouded by my beliefs.
I have never insisted satellites don't exist. I think they may but not as we are told.
I have never denied space shuttles exist. I can read a book or fool myself I am doing research on Google and learn what is going on .
These days I try to look at things in a more simplistic way and see things for what they really are.
You could go through life and everything is rosy with no need to ever question anything.
But for some of us it is not so and you get to an intersection in the road of life, this is where you choose your direction.
So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

I think you are jumping to conclusions a bit early. You are assuming that

- its a wire
- it cannot be bent this way

In fact, it may be a flexible hose, insulated with flexible PU/EPDM foam like this one :



I have this kind of setup for my home solar panels, and it's worth  at least 10 cm diameter.
I don't see why this stuff cannot be used on the shuttle, and it matches the alleged overall dimensions.

Quote from: tappet on April 07, 2014, 02:29:39 AM

So for this picture I choose to see those wires for what they really are.

I think you are jumping to conclusions a bit early. You are assuming that

- its a wire
- it cannot be bent this way

In fact, it may be a flexible hose, insulated with flexible PU/EPDM foam like this one :



I have this kind of setup for my home solar panels, and it's worth  at least 10 cm diameter.
I don't see why this stuff cannot be used on the shuttle, and it matches the alleged overall dimensions.

If your beliefs tell you they cannot be 3mm wires you will have to search for an alternative explanation. You found yours, its your choice.