What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 08:31:02 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!
There are lots of images from the lunar orbiter do you want some? Do you know why the video of the moon is moving to the left? I thought you did not believe the lunar orbiter exist?
Please stop with all the questions.  This is not an astronomy test.  I already told you I know why the moon moves.  Of course the LO doesn't exist because like I've been saying, those images supposedly from it, are CGI.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2014, 08:33:18 AM »
The telescope does not have computer control to correct for the earth rotation. You just have proved the earth is round.
No. The Moon is moving, not the Earth.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2014, 08:33:47 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!
There are lots of images from the lunar orbiter do you want some? Do you know why the video of the moon is moving to the left? I thought you did not believe the lunar orbiter exist?
Please stop with all the questions.  This is not an astronomy test.  I already told you I know why the moon moves.  Of course the LO doesn't exist because like I've been saying, those images supposedly from it, are CGI.
Then why are you waisting our time with asking for pictures.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2014, 08:35:06 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!
There are lots of images from the lunar orbiter do you want some? Do you know why the video of the moon is moving to the left? I thought you did not believe the lunar orbiter exist?
Please stop with all the questions.  This is not an astronomy test.  I already told you I know why the moon moves.  Of course the LO doesn't exist because like I've been saying, those images supposedly from it, are CGI.

Your incredulity is convincing.  ::) The picture is evidence. Now it's up to any objectors to provide evidence that it is faked. TheodorusOfSamos even opened the door for you by showing you some modern techniques for proving photos are faked. Until you do that, then we have every reason to believe they are real.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2014, 08:35:37 AM »
The telescope does not have computer control to correct for the earth rotation. You just have proved the earth is round.
No. The Moon is moving, not the Earth.

Correction: They are both moving.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2014, 08:37:19 AM »
The telescope does not have computer control to correct for the earth rotation. You just have proved the earth is round.
No. The Moon is moving, not the Earth.
Yes but it very small compared to the earth. The earth will rotate about 10 to 15 degrees per hour depending where you live.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2014, 08:38:52 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: Yes, the surface of the moon in the pictures I posted does look like a sea of gray of great regularity. However, this image is taken from low lunar orbit, the moon is several orders of magnitude closer to the JAXA satilite than you or I are here on earth. Just like looking at a grassy pasture close up you'll see it as a sea of green, but if you were viewing from far away, like flying over the pasture in an plane at 30,000 feet, you'll see a great deal more than just that one green pasture, you'll be able to see the great diversity of the region around it, rivers, lake beds, hills, forests, etc. Would you agree with this analogy for why the moon would look like a sea do grey up close?
No.  I expect to see something like this:
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EarthIsASpaceship: I think I see what you are getting at, and I think I spotted the misconception. I thought the issue was a matter of perspective, that what looks like a big creator with lots of detail through a telescope just looks like a big mound or mountain of gray up close. But based on the video you just posted, I think the misconception you have about what to expect on the moon's surface comes from your familiarity with earth landscapes - that's what we are all familiar with, when we fly over landscapes like the video you posted, we see planes of grass, trees, valleys, shrubs, etc. - it looks like a lot of detail and gives you a robust landscape, not at all what we see on moon.

And why not? Because the moon lacks life, there are no pastures to fill in the landscape, patches of green and brown, there are no trees to brake up these planes, and so on. If you were to remove all life from the earth landscapes you showed in the video, you will see a sea of brown and grey, maybe some other earth tones, but that's thanks to the complex geology and soil composition of earth, and largely due to organic materials present in the earth's soil. So without life to either give the moon's soil various shades of earth tones or to brake up the landscape with trees and the like, the moon looks like a pretty monotone and boring place, a sea of gray.

Also keep in mind that the images I posted might have been taken over one of the large maria present on the moon (the large darker patches you see on the moon viewing it from earth, they are present in the video you posted as large patches of very regular gray soil, a sea of gray).
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2014, 08:42:21 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!
There are lots of images from the lunar orbiter do you want some? Do you know why the video of the moon is moving to the left? I thought you did not believe the lunar orbiter exist?
Please stop with all the questions.  This is not an astronomy test.  I already told you I know why the moon moves.  Of course the LO doesn't exist because like I've been saying, those images supposedly from it, are CGI.

I agree with EarthIsASpaceship about the off topic questions, let's try to stick to the topic of this discussion.
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2014, 08:43:06 AM »
Donkey, stick with the topic!  Telescopes on EARTH vs. THE LUNAR ORBITER.

How does that matter when the images from the orbiter have comparable quality to those from NASA? Which is to say, MUCH MORE quality than an amateur can get here on earth.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2014, 08:48:45 AM »
Then why are you waisting our time with asking for pictures.
I never asked for pictures.  Pay attention.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2014, 08:50:54 AM »
Your incredulity is convincing.  ::) The picture is evidence. Now it's up to any objectors to provide evidence that it is faked. TheodorusOfSamos even opened the door for you by showing you some modern techniques for proving photos are faked. Until you do that, then we have every reason to believe they are real.
Well duh, that's what Theo mentioned already, that there are ways to check the authenticity of a photo. Oh and you have every reason to believe they are real?  LOL  Other than THEY LOOK FAKE.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2014, 08:53:15 AM »
Your incredulity is convincing.  ::) The picture is evidence. Now it's up to any objectors to provide evidence that it is faked. TheodorusOfSamos even opened the door for you by showing you some modern techniques for proving photos are faked. Until you do that, then we have every reason to believe they are real.
Well duh, that's what Theo mentioned already, that there are ways to check the authenticity of a photo. Oh and you have every reason to believe they are real?  LOL  Other than THEY LOOK FAKE.

When's the last time you've ever been to the moon to take a close look at it?
Thought so.  ::)

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2014, 08:58:53 AM »
Your incredulity is convincing.  ::) The picture is evidence. Now it's up to any objectors to provide evidence that it is faked. TheodorusOfSamos even opened the door for you by showing you some modern techniques for proving photos are faked. Until you do that, then we have every reason to believe they are real.
Well duh, that's what Theo mentioned already, that there are ways to check the authenticity of a photo. Oh and you have every reason to believe they are real?  LOL  Other than THEY LOOK FAKE.


hmmm, I think they look real. Stalemate. Except not a stalemate. Picture has been provided so we anxiously await your evidence.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2014, 09:01:18 AM »
Donkey, NO HUMAN HAS BEEN TO THE MOON.  You really think they can hop around like kids in a bouncy house, wearing helmets with no visor shield over the clear glass in no atmosphere?  The radiation from the sun would burn their eyeballs out!


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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2014, 09:08:38 AM »
Donkey, NO HUMAN HAS BEEN TO THE MOON.  You really think they can hop around like kids in a bouncy house, wearing helmets with no visor shield over the clear glass in no atmosphere?  The radiation from the sun would burn their eyeballs out!
I am amazed of all the answers. I guess you solved it all for us. By the way why do you use spaceship in your name when spaceships does not exist. Does that mean you don't exist?  Fitting isn't it.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2014, 09:12:24 AM »
Donkey, NO HUMAN HAS BEEN TO THE MOON.  You really think they can hop around like kids in a bouncy house, wearing helmets with no visor shield over the clear glass in no atmosphere?  The radiation from the sun would burn their eyeballs out!

Before you ever post again, I want so see if you can try something.

1. Look up the word incredulity
2. Make sure your response isn't using an argument from incredulity.
3. If it is, come up with a real argument.
4. If not, then post.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2014, 09:16:51 AM »
Really, this line of discussion isn't helping anything; we're not here to debate the the veracity of the Apollo moon missions or FE hypothesis in general, we're here to talk about photographic evidence that demonstrates the spherical nature of earth and to get FE supporters' opinions about why they see these photos as credible or not.

EarthIsASpaceship: I'd really like to hear your thoughts on my previous post addressed to you. I'd also like to hear the thoughts of any other FE supporter.
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2014, 10:03:21 AM »
Really, this line of discussion isn't helping anything; we're not here to debate the the veracity of the Apollo moon missions or FE hypothesis in general, we're here to talk about photographic evidence that demonstrates the spherical nature of earth and to get FE supporters' opinions about why they see these photos as credible or not.

EarthIsASpaceship: I'd really like to hear your thoughts on my previous post addressed to you. I'd also like to hear the thoughts of any other FE supporter.

Give it time. You will soon find that your efforts are wasted when trying to reasonably get them to back up anything.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2014, 10:07:42 AM »
Donkey, NO HUMAN HAS BEEN TO THE MOON.  You really think they can hop around like kids in a bouncy house, wearing helmets with no visor shield over the clear glass in no atmosphere?  The radiation from the sun would burn their eyeballs out!

First of all, how do you know dem pics are fake if, as you claim, you haven't been there yourself?
Secondly, LOL, the "radiation from the sun" doesn't burn out your eyes, not even in a lack of atmosphere. The reason they wear pressurized suits is, you guessed, because of the PRESSURE, or rather, lack of pressure. The vacuum of spaces has this effect, you know, to pull things out of their sockets and to reduce boiling points of liquids...

You should REALLY know what you're talking about before you say something stupid like that xD

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2014, 10:14:08 AM »
Really, this line of discussion isn't helping anything; we're not here to debate the the veracity of the Apollo moon missions or FE hypothesis in general, we're here to talk about photographic evidence that demonstrates the spherical nature of earth and to get FE supporters' opinions about why they see these photos as credible or not.

EarthIsASpaceship: I'd really like to hear your thoughts on my previous post addressed to you. I'd also like to hear the thoughts of any other FE supporter.
Thank you Theo.  It's refreshing to actually engage in a discussion without personal attacks and other people piping in with off topic comments.  As far as the terrain in the moon images from the LRO compared to the terrain of Earth, you were correct with your first assessment of what I meant.  I do not mean the trees, rivers, contrast, etc.  I meant the images of craters and shadows that we normally see on the moon from Earth.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2014, 10:19:19 AM »
Give it time. You will soon find that your efforts are wasted when trying to reasonably get them to back up anything.
You really have nothing better to do with your time?  That is INCREDULOUS.

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« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2014, 10:28:36 AM »
So you mean you can get better resolution and better quality using amateur telescopes, than the likes of these?


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/mission/?2

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #112 on: April 17, 2014, 10:35:35 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!

The LRO can see things like astronaut boot tracks, rover tire tracks and hardware left behind at every Apollo landing site.  How much more detail do you need?  Mind you, if just one boot print or tire track or piece of hardware was out of place on just one of those photos you could disprove the whole moon landings....   


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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #113 on: April 17, 2014, 10:39:14 AM »
Give it time. You will soon find that your efforts are wasted when trying to reasonably get them to back up anything.
You really have nothing better to do with your time?  That is INCREDULOUS.

I really don't. I have to sit at this computer and all my work is done for the day.

But really... try to have a real argument. You're a walking fallacy.

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2014, 10:51:42 AM »
Donkey and HeeHaw (How appropriate),
Those photos are taken from NASAs high tech telescopes HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica because of the colder atmosphere. They can bullshit you all they want by saying the LRO orbited the moon.  They can say anything they want because no one can prove otherwise.  They control the industry.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2014, 11:21:55 AM »
Donkey and HeeHaw (How appropriate),
Those photos are taken from NASAs high tech telescopes HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica because of the colder atmosphere. They can bullshit you all they want by saying the LRO orbited the moon.  They can say anything they want because no one can prove otherwise.  They control the industry.

Very, very, VERY incorrect.

Any claim that they make can be verified independently of them.
"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing."

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2014, 11:42:55 AM »
I was referring to the photos and videos they put out.

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« Reply #117 on: April 17, 2014, 11:43:41 AM »
Donkey and HeeHaw (How appropriate),
Those photos are taken from NASAs high tech telescopes HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica because of the colder atmosphere. They can bullshit you all they want by saying the LRO orbited the moon.  They can say anything they want because no one can prove otherwise.  They control the industry.

You're the one making most claims here. You're saying that they're fake, that the moon landing was fake, etc. What can you convince the people with? Well nothing, really, just your empty claims.

Now who should I trust, the people that ACTUALLY SENT MEN TO THE MOON, or a random conspiracy junkie on the internet that probably didn't learn anything about astronomy in his life?

Also, there are reflectors on the moon... That's how they confirmed the moon is receding...

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #118 on: April 17, 2014, 11:52:13 AM »
I was referring to the photos and videos they put out.

I know. And my statement stands.
"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing."

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #119 on: April 17, 2014, 11:54:42 AM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)