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Aliens
« on: March 24, 2014, 02:30:49 AM »
Just an interest here in peoples beliefs. I personally do not believe in aliens but I was wondering about other peoples beliefs.
This is in no way meant to be judgemental I am just curious.
I would assume a Round Earther would believe in aliens but I could be wrong.
What do you believe?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 02:32:28 AM by tappet »

Re: Aliens
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 03:18:04 AM »
I can't answer, the aliens ate my homework.   :'(
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 04:53:45 AM »
I do for two reasons

1. There have been millions of people that have seem something that they can't explain. It is easy to claim it is a UFO. 80% or more is mostly natural things. There are a certain amount that can't be explain. A certain amount that there is no question that it is beyond our technology. With all of that even if one is a true sighting it is good enough to believe they exit. I did have an tower controller tell me his experience to an event one night. It was very compelling.
2. Our technology is growing at a fast very rate. 500 or 1000 years from now our technology should be advance enough for far space travel. To think we are alone and we are as smart as it gets is not realistic. That is my view.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 06:46:46 AM »
I don't believe in aliens.  The vast majority of photos have been debunked.  People's minds are wired to explain the unexplainable by making things up.  The human mind tries to fill in gaps all the time.  People see things that they can't explain and their mind tells them that it must be aliens.

I do enjoy watching UFO documentaries and other such paranormal shows.  I have experienced sleep paralysis, seen unexplainable (to me) things in the sky, seen shadows move out of the corner of my eye, and even heard noises in the middle of the night that, at the time, I thought were foot steps.  However, I can rationalize these things and I do not simply run with the first thought I have.

Also, I am moving this to Science and Alternative Science. 

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Re: Aliens
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 07:22:21 AM »
In my opinion, if there are, what we term as Aliens, then they are already here, meaning they were born here, maybe on another part of the Earth that we don't know about.
Maybe we are at war with them or were at war with them many many years ago, something like, maybe 1914 and maybe 1939 and many smaller wars with them in between and since.
Sounds crazy I know but imagination can be stretched to any direction.

Does it make sense that millions of humans beings would go and slaughter each other for the sake of a quarter of a mile advance in territory?
Maybe it would nake more sense to show the Aliens, or the greys of this Earth that they stay where they are and all will be well and if they decide to advance, we will advance towards them in massive numbers, whilst putting on a ruse that we are actually fighting amongst our fellow human beings in different uniforms.

Maybe the greys have advanced a bit more. Maybe they are in cahoots with those at the top for an amicable share of each others spoils and an exchange of guineapigs from either side to work on to breed a new humanoid/grey or whatever.

After all; I've often wondered why hundreds of thousands of men would run at each other with the full on knowledge that each side are merely running towards their deaths, which would be measured in seconds to minutes, with the lucky ones being took out instantly with a shot to the head.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 07:59:16 AM »
You need to get a job - you clearly have far too much time on your hands for dreaming up this drivel.
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 08:30:03 AM »
I don't believe aliens have been visiting earth, kidnapping cows, and probing anuses. I do believe there is life on other planets.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 08:50:34 AM »
I don't believe aliens have been visiting earth, kidnapping cows, and probing anuses. I do believe there is life on other planets.

Haha!

Maybe aliens have a cow fetish, who knows? XD

But yeah, all those stories that *only* happen in the USA apparently are a load of bs most probably.

Aliens? Why exclude the possibility? The Universe is huge, and we have to be open to anything. I'm biased to believe that there are aliens out there, maybe out of our reach, maybe not...

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 10:33:33 AM »
Aliens have definitely been visiting us.  How else can you explain the sudden exponential explosion of technology beginning in the 50s, around the time of Roswell?  They came at the dawn of humanity, mated with our ancestral creature, whatever hominid that was, and spawned man.  This also explains why we haven't seen a true missing link, because we are a combination of two species.
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 10:45:02 AM »
Maybe aliens created the flat earth. We're living in a giant petri dish!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 11:43:31 PM »
Well I guess if you are a REer you would believe that if we live on a round ball then there would be countless other round balls out there with life on them.
I was thinking that it would not make sense for a  REer to believe this was the only round ball with life on it.
So I would assume all REers believe in aliens.
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 12:03:46 AM »
I do for two reasons

1. There have been millions of people that have seem something that they can't explain. It is easy to claim it is a UFO. 80% or more is mostly natural things. There are a certain amount that can't be explain. A certain amount that there is no question that it is beyond our technology. With all of that even if one is a true sighting it is good enough to believe they exit. I did have an tower controller tell me his experience to an event one night. It was very compelling.
2. Our technology is growing at a fast very rate. 500 or 1000 years from now our technology should be advance enough for far space travel. To think we are alone and we are as smart as it gets is not realistic. That is my view.
Could it be possible that humans fly ufo's ?

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2014, 11:36:27 AM »
isnt Roswell the holy grail of all conspiracy sites? How can the FE forum not believe? hoppy you have to back me up on this one.

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Re: Aliens
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2014, 12:26:29 PM »
Just an interest here in peoples beliefs. I personally do not believe in aliens but I was wondering about other peoples beliefs.
This is in no way meant to be judgemental I am just curious.
I would assume a Round Earther would believe in aliens but I could be wrong.
What do you believe?
For me, Fermi's paradox proves that there is no life.
Think about it.....
We've been around for about 50,000 years.
We've started broadcasting data around the world and into space for, let's say, the last 100 years.
Drake's equation says that there should be 1000 - 100 million reachable extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way.
Fermi's paradox, however, makes a good point.
If we aren't alone, where is the solid physical evidence?
Surely, if it is possible for a civilization to reach the stage of interstellar travel, they would be on more than one planet.
If this civilization had been around for millions of years, they would have a presence in most of our galaxy.
Assuming that life does not have a tendency to kill itself off, this means that there should be a constant presence of at least 1 species of extraterrestrial interacting with Earth.
Where is the wreckage on other planets?
Where is the evidence on Earth?
To believe in something like extraterrestrials without any solid physical evidence is the same thing as believing in a god.
Until I meet an alien, I would have to say that they are not around.
If the Milky Way is in fact teeming with life, we would know it.
Maybe there's some other Earth-like life living on the other side of the galaxy, but we'll never know it.
We also have no control as to compare the rate of life happening as opposed to not happening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
Perhaps the Fermi paradox itself—or the alien equivalent of it—is the ultimate reason for any civilization to avoid contact with other civilizations, even if no other obstacles existed. From any one civilization's point of view, it would be unlikely for them to be the first ones to make first contact. Therefore it is likely that previous civilizations faced fatal problems with first contact. So perhaps every civilization keeps quiet because of the possibility that there is a real reason for others to do so.


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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2014, 05:05:29 PM »
I think even if our star is young and earth is young the chances of life are so slim and even evolution has not a constant flow but rapid and slow times that we are the leading intelligent life at least in our local universe.  I don't agree with Fermi paradox.
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2014, 05:15:27 PM »
But when you say Fermi's paradox proves there is no life, do you mean no life at all, or just intelligent life? Most of the time when people say they do not believe there are aliens out there, they are thinking little green men, or something, but what about plants, bacteria, or animals?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2014, 05:09:24 AM »
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Drake's equation says that there should be 1000 - 100 million reachable extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way.
The Drake Equation tells us no such thing - you can plug what you like into the variables - it's largely guesswork.

You can quite easily run the equation and come up with a figure of zero reachable civilizations.

The eqaution just helps us frame the question.
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Re: Aliens
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2014, 12:33:40 PM »
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Drake's equation says that there should be 1000 - 100 million reachable extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way.
The Drake Equation tells us no such thing - you can plug what you like into the variables - it's largely guesswork.

You can quite easily run the equation and come up with a figure of zero reachable civilizations.

The eqaution just helps us frame the question.
Zero?
Try it.
I'll give you a hint on this one - we exist.


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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2014, 12:38:56 PM »
I think even if our star is young and earth is young the chances of life are so slim and even evolution has not a constant flow but rapid and slow times that we are the leading intelligent life at least in our local universe.  I don't agree with Fermi paradox.
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Homo sapiens reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.
In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. The best measurement of the age of the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years ((13.798±0.037)×109 years or (4.354±0.012)×1017 seconds) within the Lambda-CDM concordance model. The uncertainty of 37 million years has been obtained by the agreement of a number of scientific research projects, such as microwave background radiation measurements by the Planck satellite, the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and other probes.
I think to have the opinion that we are the leading life in our universe proves why there will be no intelligent life present.
We have trouble with killing each other off even at this point.


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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2014, 12:41:06 PM »
But when you say Fermi's paradox proves there is no life, do you mean no life at all, or just intelligent life? Most of the time when people say they do not believe there are aliens out there, they are thinking little green men, or something, but what about plants, bacteria, or animals?
Intelligent life, of course.
No bacteria are going to radio us back from another planet.  ;D

I just think believing in aliens (intelligent extraterrestrials) is as unsubstantiated as believing in a god, at this point.

Show me an alien. I'll believe.
Show me god, and I will bow down.


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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2014, 09:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2014, 06:10:15 AM »
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Drake's equation says that there should be 1000 - 100 million reachable extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way.
The Drake Equation tells us no such thing - you can plug what you like into the variables - it's largely guesswork.

You can quite easily run the equation and come up with a figure of zero reachable civilizations.

The eqaution just helps us frame the question.
Zero?
Try it.
I'll give you a hint on this one - we exist.
Err no, we are not a "reachable civilisation" - we are the civilisation doing the reaching

Anyway, pedantry aside, my point still stands.

My biggest problem in thinking there may be significant amounts of intelligent life in the galaxy is where are all the Von Neumann machines?

My gut feeling is that there is intelligence out there: just so far there is zero evidence.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2014, 12:51:27 PM »
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Drake's equation says that there should be 1000 - 100 million reachable extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way.
The Drake Equation tells us no such thing - you can plug what you like into the variables - it's largely guesswork.

You can quite easily run the equation and come up with a figure of zero reachable civilizations.

The eqaution just helps us frame the question.
Zero?
Try it.
I'll give you a hint on this one - we exist.
Err no, we are not a "reachable civilisation" - we are the civilisation doing the reaching

Anyway, pedantry aside, my point still stands.

My biggest problem in thinking there may be significant amounts of intelligent life in the galaxy is where are all the Von Neumann machines?

My gut feeling is that there is intelligence out there: just so far there is zero evidence.
In Drake's equation,

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible.

You don't think we fit the criteria of N? I know for sure I can radio a few different people on this planet. I know we're a civilization, evidenced by the fact that I'm on a computer conversing with another member of our civilization.

Thanks FlatOrange.  :D
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2014, 07:47:25 AM »
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Anyway, pedantry aside, my point still stands.
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2014, 06:58:28 PM »
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Anyway, pedantry aside, my point still stands.
ped·ant·ry
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    "to object to this is not mere pedantry"

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You consider the solution to Drake's equation a "minor detail" in Drake's equation?
I'm not sure how I'm being pedantic.
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2014, 05:11:18 AM »
Now you are being pedantic about the meaning of pedantic?   :'(
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2014, 04:53:57 PM »
Now you are being pedantic about the meaning of pedantic?   :'(
I'm not.
I provided a definition because you seemed like you didn't know what the word meant.
I would say the solution to Drake's equation is a major detail in Drake's equation.


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Re: Aliens
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2014, 07:54:58 PM »
But when you say Fermi's paradox proves there is no life, do you mean no life at all, or just intelligent life? Most of the time when people say they do not believe there are aliens out there, they are thinking little green men, or something, but what about plants, bacteria, or animals?
Intelligent life, of course.
No bacteria are going to radio us back from another planet.  ;D

I just think believing in aliens (intelligent extraterrestrials) is as unsubstantiated as believing in a god, at this point.

Show me an alien. I'll believe.
Show me god, and I will bow down.
I am still waiting to be shown the flat earth.

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2014, 07:56:57 PM »
But when you say Fermi's paradox proves there is no life, do you mean no life at all, or just intelligent life? Most of the time when people say they do not believe there are aliens out there, they are thinking little green men, or something, but what about plants, bacteria, or animals?
Intelligent life, of course.
No bacteria are going to radio us back from another planet.  ;D

I just think believing in aliens (intelligent extraterrestrials) is as unsubstantiated as believing in a god, at this point.

Show me an alien. I'll believe.
Show me god, and I will bow down.
I am still waiting to be shown the flat earth.
Why?
What's your point?


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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2014, 09:03:57 PM »
Is bringing up the FE in a non-FE board like giving up the argument?
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.