Where do you go to increase your knowledge?

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Starman

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Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« on: March 14, 2014, 02:36:47 PM »
There are different ways we collect information to increase your knowledge. It can be school, coffee shop ,books, newspapers, TV, Internet, library or all of the above? I see here smart and stupid question but when it comes to specific details there must be a credible place for everybody. To sum it up where do FE'ers get their knowledge.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2014, 02:41:58 PM »
There are many resources in the Flat Earth Forum itself. I am also guessing that these sources have bibliographies; it was a very widely held belief so I am sure there are histories of the belief etc...


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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 02:44:08 PM »
There are many resources in the Flat Earth Forum itself. I am also guessing that these sources have bibliographies; it was a very widely held belief so I am sure there are histories of the belief etc...
I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just curious the know where they look for information.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 02:45:21 PM »
I just make it up as I go along...

Kidding, of course.

Or am I?
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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 02:48:19 PM »
I just make it up as I go along...

Kidding, of course.

Or am I?
In the end we all learn in different ways and from different places. I find that in our lifetime we have access to more information than any man has ever had in history.

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burt

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 02:58:36 PM »
There are many resources in the Flat Earth Forum itself. I am also guessing that these sources have bibliographies; it was a very widely held belief so I am sure there are histories of the belief etc...
I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just curious the know where they look for information.

But, it's obvious isn't it? The same places everyone else gets their information. Information is not self-explanatory, it requires interpretation, so no one has alternative *sources* of information, and even if they did it would not make a difference. We all pretty much get our information from, say, libraries, the web &c as you explained, in your OP.

Or are you asking something different?
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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2014, 03:01:22 PM »
There are many resources in the Flat Earth Forum itself. I am also guessing that these sources have bibliographies; it was a very widely held belief so I am sure there are histories of the belief etc...
I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just curious the know where they look for information.

But, it's obvious isn't it? The same places everyone else gets their information. Information is not self-explanatory, it requires interpretation, so no one has alternative *sources* of information, and even if they did it would not make a difference. We all still get our information from, say, libraries, the web &c
You still have to search to what you are capable to learning. A 7 year old kid may not understand how a nuclear power plant even with all the free information on the internet.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2014, 03:01:50 PM »
I just make it up as I go along...

Kidding, of course.

Or am I?
In the end we all learn in different ways and from different places. I find that in our lifetime we have access to more information than any man has ever had in history.

We certainty live in an amazing time. Of course, it's probably all VR.
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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2014, 03:07:14 PM »
There are many resources in the Flat Earth Forum itself. I am also guessing that these sources have bibliographies; it was a very widely held belief so I am sure there are histories of the belief etc...
I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just curious the know where they look for information.

But, it's obvious isn't it? The same places everyone else gets their information. Information is not self-explanatory, it requires interpretation, so no one has alternative *sources* of information, and even if they did it would not make a difference. We all still get our information from, say, libraries, the web &c
You still have to search to what you are capable to learning. A 7 year old kid may not understand how a nuclear power plant even with all the free information on the internet.

Can you restate your question? I am having a hard time understanding why my answer was not satisfactory, and why this  is relevant response to it, given the context.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2014, 03:08:41 PM »
I just make it up as I go along...

Kidding, of course.

Or am I?
In the end we all learn in different ways and from different places. I find that in our lifetime we have access to more information than any man has ever had in history.

We certainty live in an amazing time. Of course, it's probably all VR.

So VR originates in VR?

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2014, 03:16:08 PM »

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2014, 03:28:04 PM »
So VR originates in VR?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Simulation requires an original, what is that original? VR?

We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2014, 03:31:42 PM »
We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.



We certainty live in an amazing time. Of course, it's probably all VR.

So it's pretty unlikely that it is all VR, right?


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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2014, 03:34:17 PM »
So VR originates in VR?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Simulation requires an original, what is that original? VR?

We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.

Wrap your mind around the fact that from a statistical point-of-view, that is, that if we just play the numbers game here... then it is more likely that life is a simulation of life.

If we can at least presume that it is inevitable for an intelligent species to desire to make a life simulation and that that species would eventually succeed at it, then we can assume that within the "original" or "root" life, there was a simulation that came of that and that within that simulation, another, and another, and another.

Then statistically speaking our experience is more likely a simulation.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2014, 03:40:54 PM »
We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.



We certainty live in an amazing time. Of course, it's probably all VR.

So it's pretty unlikely that it is all VR, right?

Well, there has to be a beginning, and of course that beginning would not be simulated. Although that does not mean that we are the beginning or even close to the beginning. Like Rottingroom and I said, we're probably a simulation within a simulation within a simulation within that simulation, etc.
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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2014, 03:43:37 PM »
So VR originates in VR?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Simulation requires an original, what is that original? VR?

We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.

Wrap your mind around the fact that from a statistical point-of-view, that is, that if we just play the numbers game here... then it is more likely that life is a simulation of life.

If we can at least presume that it is inevitable for an intelligent species to desire to make a life simulation and that that species would eventually succeed at it, then we can assume that within the "original" or "root" life, there was a simulation that came of that and that within that simulation, another, and another, and another.

Then statistically speaking our experience is more likely a simulation.

Could you give an example of what instance of evidence would falsify the hypothesis that we live in a simulation

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2014, 03:45:40 PM »
We could be in an alien video game, or we could be a simulation within a simulation. It's not that far-fetched to assume that with enough power a simulated society could create a program that simulates life itself.



We certainty live in an amazing time. Of course, it's probably all VR.

So it's pretty unlikely that it is all VR, right?

Well, there has to be a beginning, and of course that beginning would not be simulated. Although that does not mean that we are the beginning or even close to the beginning. Like Rottingroom and I said, we're probably a simulation within a simulation within a simulation within that simulation, etc.

So, the more simulations you can have the more possible it becomes. I think you need to read up about probability. If there is one universe, than that is more likely than having a universe + simulation. it is a fact.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2014, 03:47:18 PM »
So, the more simulations you can have the more possible it becomes. I think you need to read up about probability. If there is one universe, than that is more likely than having a universe + simulation. it is a fact.

Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Stop trying to nitpick stuff you obviously know very little about.

One universe. Yes. If there is one universe, and there is ONE civilization within that universe which has the technology to produce a simulated reality, then more than likely they will create one (unless of course, they ban it by law or find it unethical to produce programs with simulated life). This means that if that civilization could produce the tech to make simulated reality work, then their simulated reality could logically get to the point where they could make a simulated reality as well. Etc.

Proof that we live in a simulated reality is all around us. One example is the Bermuda triangle, it is what I refer to as a "glitch zone" that zaps data out of existence, sort of like a magnet on a computer tower. Also, UFO sightings are just our programmers using vessels to fix glitches within the system.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2014, 03:48:45 PM »
So, the more simulations you can have the more possible it becomes. I think you need to read up about probability. If there is one universe, than that is more likely than having a universe + simulation. it is a fact.

Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Stop trying to nitpick stuff you obviously know very little about.

I am much more interested in your grasp of it. Now answer my question (or offer a rubuttal). My criticism has been levelled at it by many people.

You should know by not that I am much more interested in arguments and what people's argument's are for the position they hold.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2014, 03:51:13 PM »
You should know by not that I am much more interested in arguments and what people's argument's are for the position they hold.

Indeed. I have edited my original post to provide more insight.
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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2014, 03:54:47 PM »
So, the more simulations you can have the more possible it becomes. I think you need to read up about probability. If there is one universe, than that is more likely than having a universe + simulation. it is a fact.

Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Stop trying to nitpick stuff you obviously know very little about.

One universe. Yes. If there is one universe, and there is ONE civilization within that universe which has the technology to produce a simulated reality, then more than likely they will create one (unless of course, they ban it by law or find it unethical to produce programs with simulated life). This means that if that civilization could produce the tech to make simulated reality work, then their simulated reality could logically get to the point where they could make a simulated reality as well. Etc.

the more things you posit the lower the probability. Now you are hypothesizing more things, and we are talking about the very simple fact of its probability.

Proof that we live in a simulated reality is all around us. One example is the Bermuda triangle, it is what I refer to as a "glitch zone" that zaps data out of existence, sort of like a magnet on a computer tower. Also, UFO sightings are just our programmers using vessels to fix glitches within the system.

Yeah, well, this is just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2014, 03:57:02 PM »
I don't understand your argument. The universe is huge, it's not that big of a leap to assume that one civilization within our universe has the technology to produce simulated reality. The fact that the Universe is seemingly infinite makes the chances even greater.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2014, 04:04:21 PM »
I don't understand your argument. The universe is huge, it's not that big of a leap to assume that one civilization within our universe has the technology to produce simulated reality. The fact that the Universe is seemingly infinite makes the chances even greater.

Are you talking about our universe or another one. If this one, then you are positing another alien race, which might or might not have produced simulations, and I agree that given the empirical data ( the amount of planets there actually are) that it might be unlikely that there is not another alien race, but this is the probability, given actual scientific theories + evidence. In this case, even if this alien race had actually created simulations, we would not be part of it, because we exist in the same universe, and given the argument, the same "level".

If you are positing more universes with possible life in it, you are positing much more than we have actual evidence for and ig you are positing that there is a universe with a simulation in it, in which we are a part, it is more probable that we just actually live in the universe and not a universe + simulation. Therefore the probability goes down the more you hypothesise, get me?
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2014, 04:09:30 PM »
I don't understand your argument. The universe is huge, it's not that big of a leap to assume that one civilization within our universe has the technology to produce simulated reality. The fact that the Universe is seemingly infinite makes the chances even greater.

Are you talking about our universe or another one. If this one, then you are positing another alien race, which might or might not have produced simulations, and I agree that given the empirical data ( the amount of planets there actually are) that it might be unlikely that there is not another alien race, but this is the probability, given actual scientific theories. In this case, even if this alien race had actually created simulations, we would not be part of it, because we exist in the same universe, and given the argument, the same "level".

If you are positing more universes with possible life on it, you are positing much more than we have actual evidence for. Therefore the probability goes down the more you hypothesise, get me?

I'm proposing ONE starting universe. Every universe made via simulated reality would probably be limited by the technology used and would take ridiculous amounts of power to sustain.
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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2014, 04:10:20 PM »
I don't understand your argument. The universe is huge, it's not that big of a leap to assume that one civilization within our universe has the technology to produce simulated reality. The fact that the Universe is seemingly infinite makes the chances even greater.

Are you talking about our universe or another one. If this one, then you are positing another alien race, which might or might not have produced simulations, and I agree that given the empirical data ( the amount of planets there actually are) that it might be unlikely that there is not another alien race, but this is the probability, given actual scientific theories. In this case, even if this alien race had actually created simulations, we would not be part of it, because we exist in the same universe, and given the argument, the same "level".

If you are positing more universes with possible life on it, you are positing much more than we have actual evidence for. Therefore the probability goes down the more you hypothesise, get me?

I'm proposing ONE starting universe. Every universe made via simulated reality would probably be limited by the technology used and would take ridiculous amounts of power to sustain.

Have you a criticism of my argument?

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2014, 04:15:35 PM »
You might have to look at my edited post. (as you can see it was edited just before you posted).

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2014, 04:26:50 PM »
I have a sort of problem with it, because I think you're nitpicking. When I say "our" universe, I mean the universe as we understand it now. Surely, if we are in a simulation, our "universe" is modeled after the original society's universe, probably has the same laws of physics and whatnot. I didn't mean we originated from the same universe as our creators, because that wouldn't make sense.

I'm saying that since the universe is supposedly infinite, then our creator's universe is probably infinite as well, which means that ample resources were given within the cosmos for a civilization to pop up, survive long enough to have advanced technology, and make a simulated reality that we live in. If the universe they live in is supposedly infinite, like ours, then there's a very small chance that this isn't the case. If that simulated reality gets to the point where they can create a simulated reality, then there's an even higher chance that we're in one. Of course, most of this is just theorizing and there's' no way to prove any of it. It's just an interesting thought experiment.
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2014, 05:30:18 PM »
I have a sort of problem with it, because I think you're nitpicking. When I say "our" universe, I mean the universe as we understand it now. Surely, if we are in a simulation, or "universe" is modeled after the original society's universe, probably has the same laws of physics and whatnot. I didn't mean we originated from the same universe as our creators, because that wouldn't make sense.

I'm saying that since the universe is supposedly infinite, then our creator's universe is probably infinite as well, which means that ample resources were given within the cosmos for a civilization to pop up, survive long enough to have advanced technology, and make a simulated reality that we live in. If the universe they live in is supposedly infinite, like ours, then there's a very small chance that this isn't the case. If that simulated reality gets to the point where they can create a simulated reality, then there's an even higher chance that we're in one. Of course, most of this is just theorizing and there's' no way to prove any of it. It's just an interesting thought experiment.
In the end if we watch too much sci-fi movies our imagination starts to believe this simulation life or world could be true. We start to imagine things that does not make sense and think that maybe it could be real. Jump of the house and see if it hurts. That is real. Try to imagine you can fly and do it again. It will still hurt. That is real.

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Re: Where do you go to increase your knowledge?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2014, 05:31:52 PM »
Jump of the house and see if it hurts. That is real. Try to imagine you can fly and do it again. It will still hurt. That is real.

Just did it and fell through the ground into some weird black area and eventually fell out of the sky into China, which is where I am posting from now.

I suspect my apartment complex may be on some sort of glitch fault line.
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