At sceptimatic's request...

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

False. In its orbit around the Earth the Moon is only seen at night when it is on the 'night' side of the Earth: the side of the Earth that is in shadow. At some part of its orbit it is on the 'day' side of the Earth. When it is there the people on the day side can't see it because the light of the sun is too bright and overpowers any light from the moon just as the sun overpowers the lights of the stars. The people on the night side can't see it because it is on the other side of the Earth.

The moon doesn't 'go' anywhere, it is still there it just can't be seen.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:38:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:12:48 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.

You're in England, yes? Have a look tonight and tell me if the moon is out, because it isn't here. I could stay up all night tonight and not see the moon at all. So, by your reasoning, given that "it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world", if I can't see it in Australia, then you should be able to see it in England, right?

Let me make myself clear. I'll do it slowly so we don't get mixed up.

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

Nope, not tonight. Tonight is within a day or two of the "new moon" phase, which means that no-one, anywhere on Earth, will be able to see the moon tonight. The RE explanation is simple enough, but I have yet to see a good FE explanation for why this happens.

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

This thread s nothing more than Skeptimatic screaming as loud as he can - "I'M STUPID! LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW STUPID I CAN BE!"

Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself all over again!

I thought Sculelos was a wack job, but you make him look smart, reasonable and overtly rational.

Just to remind everyone...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

It's not hidden as such, it's just that it's on the same side of the earth as the sun right now, within a few degrees of the sun in fact, which means that the side facing earth is not lit by the sun. As a consequence, the moon is not reflecting enough light to be visible, particularly as it is on the day side.

Ok, I'll have to explain it carefully for you.

Let's use your globe so that we don't get mixed up.

Imagine that I put a person on every part of your globe, on every available foot, ok?
Now at least one person at any time is going to see a glowing moon. Not the same person all of the time, I'm talking about any one person will see a glowing moon somewhere on Earth. Do you understand now?

The moon may be on the same side of the earth as one of your observers, but at the moment, it won't be visible for the above reason. It won't be "glowing".

Quote from: mathsman on February 28, 2014, 02:40:48 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

False. In its orbit around the Earth the Moon is only seen at night when it is on the 'night' side of the Earth: the side of the Earth that is in shadow. At some part of its orbit it is on the 'day' side of the Earth. When it is there the people on the day side can't see it because the light of the sun is too bright and overpowers any light from the moon just as the sun overpowers the lights of the stars. The people on the night side can't see it because it is on the other side of the Earth.

Ok, I'll have to explain it carefully for you.

Let's use your globe so that we don't get mixed up.

Imagine that I put a person on every part of your globe, on every available foot, ok?
Now at least one person at any time is going to see a glowing moon. Not the same person all of the time, I'm talking about any one person will see a glowing moon somewhere on Earth. Do you understand now?

Maybe you were starved of attention when you were a baby?  or.. worse?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:38:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:12:48 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.

You're in England, yes? Have a look tonight and tell me if the moon is out, because it isn't here. I could stay up all night tonight and not see the moon at all. So, by your reasoning, given that "it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world", if I can't see it in Australia, then you should be able to see it in England, right?

Let me make myself clear. I'll do it slowly so we don't get mixed up.

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

Nope, not tonight. Tonight is within a day or two of the "new moon" phase, which means that no-one, anywhere on Earth, will be able to see the moon tonight. The RE explanation is simple enough, but I have yet to see a good FE explanation for why this happens.

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

This thread s nothing more than Skeptimatic screaming as loud as he can - "I'M STUPID! LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW STUPID I CAN BE!"

Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself all over again!

I thought Sculelos was a wack job, but you make him look smart, reasonable and overtly rational.

Just to remind everyone...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Crying won't get you anywhere. Play with the crayons, son, I'm talking! Now there's a good little boy.

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 28, 2014, 02:49:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:38:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:12:48 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.

You're in England, yes? Have a look tonight and tell me if the moon is out, because it isn't here. I could stay up all night tonight and not see the moon at all. So, by your reasoning, given that "it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world", if I can't see it in Australia, then you should be able to see it in England, right?

Let me make myself clear. I'll do it slowly so we don't get mixed up.

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

Nope, not tonight. Tonight is within a day or two of the "new moon" phase, which means that no-one, anywhere on Earth, will be able to see the moon tonight. The RE explanation is simple enough, but I have yet to see a good FE explanation for why this happens.

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

This thread s nothing more than Skeptimatic screaming as loud as he can - "I'M STUPID! LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW STUPID I CAN BE!"

Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself all over again!

I thought Sculelos was a wack job, but you make him look smart, reasonable and overtly rational.

Just to remind everyone...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Crying won't get you anywhere. Play with the crayons, son, I'm talking! Now there's a good little boy.

If there's ever a case for a good kick in the nuts, you make it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

It's not hidden as such, it's just that it's on the same side of the earth as the sun right now, within a few degrees of the sun in fact, which means that the side facing earth is not lit by the sun. As a consequence, the moon is not reflecting enough light to be visible, particularly as it is on the day side.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:46:50 AM

Ok, I'll have to explain it carefully for you.

Let's use your globe so that we don't get mixed up.

Imagine that I put a person on every part of your globe, on every available foot, ok?
Now at least one person at any time is going to see a glowing moon. Not the same person all of the time, I'm talking about any one person will see a glowing moon somewhere on Earth. Do you understand now?

The moon may be on the same side of the earth as one of your observers, but at the moment, it won't be visible for the above reason. It won't be "glowing".

Somebody somewhere on Earth AT NIGHT, will see a glowing moon. It's day time here but someone somewhere Earth, where it is dark, will see a glowing moon, right?
This will be the case, 24 hours a day for any particular person who's night time it is on whatever part of the Earth. Do you agree? If not, why not.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:53:10 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 28, 2014, 02:49:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:38:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:23:22 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:12:48 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.

You're in England, yes? Have a look tonight and tell me if the moon is out, because it isn't here. I could stay up all night tonight and not see the moon at all. So, by your reasoning, given that "it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world", if I can't see it in Australia, then you should be able to see it in England, right?

Let me make myself clear. I'll do it slowly so we don't get mixed up.

Somebody on Earth will always be able to see a glowing moon. Do you agree? If not, why not?

Nope, not tonight. Tonight is within a day or two of the "new moon" phase, which means that no-one, anywhere on Earth, will be able to see the moon tonight. The RE explanation is simple enough, but I have yet to see a good FE explanation for why this happens.

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

This thread s nothing more than Skeptimatic screaming as loud as he can - "I'M STUPID! LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW STUPID I CAN BE!"

Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself all over again!

I thought Sculelos was a wack job, but you make him look smart, reasonable and overtly rational.

Just to remind everyone...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Crying won't get you anywhere. Play with the crayons, son, I'm talking! Now there's a good little boy.

If there's every a case for a goof kick in the nuts, you make it.

There's an angry rant section or a pm feature, use them and stop acting like a little ruffian who thinks he's a big man.
If you want to go into full on crucify scepti mode, use angry ranting or pm me and I'll happily oblige you. Keep it out of this thread.

I believe Scintific explained it a few posts ago, but it was obviously too brain hurty for you to understand.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:50:42 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

It's not hidden as such, it's just that it's on the same side of the earth as the sun right now, within a few degrees of the sun in fact, which means that the side facing earth is not lit by the sun. As a consequence, the moon is not reflecting enough light to be visible, particularly as it is on the day side.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:46:50 AM

Ok, I'll have to explain it carefully for you.

Let's use your globe so that we don't get mixed up.

Imagine that I put a person on every part of your globe, on every available foot, ok?
Now at least one person at any time is going to see a glowing moon. Not the same person all of the time, I'm talking about any one person will see a glowing moon somewhere on Earth. Do you understand now?

The moon may be on the same side of the earth as one of your observers, but at the moment, it won't be visible for the above reason. It won't be "glowing".

Somebody somewhere on Earth AT NIGHT, will see a glowing moon. It's day time here but someone somewhere Earth, where it is dark, will see a glowing moon, right?
This will be the case, 24 hours a day for any particular person who's night time it is on whatever part of the Earth. Do you agree? If not, why not.

Nope. Answered this already. This animation may help:



Keep in mind, when on the day side and not lit by the sun, the moon is just not making enough light to be visible.

Quote from: glokta on February 28, 2014, 01:49:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Here's something for all you right minded thinking people. You know! The ones that can actually think for themselves.

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.
 
Ok, that being said; think about this: Go and look at any moon landing picture that you want to and you will notice that it's DARK and all you see are spot light lit surfaces in them.
When you look at the spotlight lit surfaces, think about the GLOWING moon you see with your own eyes on Earth.

We know that the actornauts were on the part of the  moon that faces the Earth, as N.A.S.A shows us in their amazing photo's. 
We also know that the moon faces the Earth from one side only at ALL times.
If the moon landing happened and the moon is what it is, then your logic and common sense should immediately tell you that the actornauts should, at ALL times be lit up like beacons.

I'll repeat: Take a look at the moon and see how brightly it's lit. There should not be spot light sun spots, it should be so bright that it would be blinding at best and basically turn the actornauts into crispy bacon at worst.
Don't listen to the bull crap that the moon has no atmosphere and so it doesn't scatter light. Once again, "take a look at the brightly lit moon."

So just briefly, you don't agree with this:

Quote

Lunar dust reflects light in a manner similar to street signs or
wet grass – a significant amount
of light is reflected back at the
light source (the Sun in this case)
instead of being scattered in all
directions as Earth sand would do.This can be observed on Earth, as it explains why the full
Moon is much more than twice as bright as a half Moon. This effect explains hot spots in
photos that contain the
photographer's own shadow.

Read what I said and absorb it. Don't look for the answers that are obviously given out to sway peoples minds away. Look at what I've just typed and use your own brain to see what I'm saying.

Do you realise how reductive this is if you yourself refuse to read and absorb the information given in response?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:00:58 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 02:50:42 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:42:27 AM

So, if nobody can see the moon, anywhere on Earth, then tell me! Where does the moon go? Does it just take a trip somewhere or does it fold up? Hide behind a rock? What?

Just tell me where it goes so that NOBODY on Earth can see it.

It's not hidden as such, it's just that it's on the same side of the earth as the sun right now, within a few degrees of the sun in fact, which means that the side facing earth is not lit by the sun. As a consequence, the moon is not reflecting enough light to be visible, particularly as it is on the day side.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 02:46:50 AM

Ok, I'll have to explain it carefully for you.

Let's use your globe so that we don't get mixed up.

Imagine that I put a person on every part of your globe, on every available foot, ok?
Now at least one person at any time is going to see a glowing moon. Not the same person all of the time, I'm talking about any one person will see a glowing moon somewhere on Earth. Do you understand now?

The moon may be on the same side of the earth as one of your observers, but at the moment, it won't be visible for the above reason. It won't be "glowing".

Somebody somewhere on Earth AT NIGHT, will see a glowing moon. It's day time here but someone somewhere Earth, where it is dark, will see a glowing moon, right?
This will be the case, 24 hours a day for any particular person who's night time it is on whatever part of the Earth. Do you agree? If not, why not.

Nope. Answered this already. This animation may help:



Keep in mind, when on the day side and not lit by the sun, the moon is just not making enough light to be visible.

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 01:57:56 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 28, 2014, 01:49:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 12:58:14 AM

Here's something for all you right minded thinking people. You know! The ones that can actually think for themselves.

Go outside on a night time and look at the moon. You can see that it's lit up like a beacon, right?
Every time the moon is out it's lit up like this, do you all agree? Obviously you do.
You also know that when you do not see the moon, you do know that someone else around the world is seeing it lit up, right?
Basically it's lit up at ALL times, somewhere around the world; which means that the moon is lit up like a beacon, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and so on....and the actornauts are supposedly stood on this part.
 
Ok, that being said; think about this: Go and look at any moon landing picture that you want to and you will notice that it's DARK and all you see are spot light lit surfaces in them.
When you look at the spotlight lit surfaces, think about the GLOWING moon you see with your own eyes on Earth.

We know that the actornauts were on the part of the  moon that faces the Earth, as N.A.S.A shows us in their amazing photo's. 
We also know that the moon faces the Earth from one side only at ALL times.
If the moon landing happened and the moon is what it is, then your logic and common sense should immediately tell you that the actornauts should, at ALL times be lit up like beacons.

I'll repeat: Take a look at the moon and see how brightly it's lit. There should not be spot light sun spots, it should be so bright that it would be blinding at best and basically turn the actornauts into crispy bacon at worst.
Don't listen to the bull crap that the moon has no atmosphere and so it doesn't scatter light. Once again, "take a look at the brightly lit moon."

So just briefly, you don't agree with this:

Quote

Lunar dust reflects light in a manner similar to street signs or
wet grass – a significant amount
of light is reflected back at the
light source (the Sun in this case)
instead of being scattered in all
directions as Earth sand would do.This can be observed on Earth, as it explains why the full
Moon is much more than twice as bright as a half Moon. This effect explains hot spots in
photos that contain the
photographer's own shadow.

Read what I said and absorb it. Don't look for the answers that are obviously given out to sway peoples minds away. Look at what I've just typed and use your own brain to see what I'm saying.

Do you realise how reductive this is if you yourself refuse to read and absorb the information given in response?

Try giving a normal answer then instead of moaning.

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Keep in mind, when on the day side and not lit by the sun, the moon is just not making enough light to be visible.

In that cartoon how could you have a full moon? The earth would block out the suns light. Therefore the reflective dust couldn't reflect.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:06:14 AM

Keep in mind, when on the day side and not lit by the sun, the moon is just not making enough light to be visible.

In that cartoon how could you have a full moon? The earth would block out the suns light. Therefore the reflective dust couldn't reflect.

The diagram is not to scale, as it is only intended to represent the moon's phases in a simplified and compact manner. As such, it does not show the 5° inclination of the moon's orbit , or the position or extent of the earth's umbra. Most times, the moon does not pass through the earth's umbra. When it does, we have a lunar eclipse.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:13:21 AM

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Ok, right now, no.... So how long does this last where there isn't a full moon anywhere on Earth?

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:13:21 AM

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Ok, right now, no.... So how long does this last where there isn't a full moon anywhere on Earth?

2 weeks. Over the next week, just after sunset, you'll start to notice the moon as a waxing crescent. After one week, it will reach the "First Quarter" phase. After the first week, it is known as a waxing gibbous, and will continue to rise later and later (roughly 50 minutes per day, every day) until, after 2 weeks, it will rise roughly about the same time as the sun sets, and will be a full moon. You can confirm any of this yourself with some observations and patience, as I have.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:27:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:13:21 AM

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Ok, right now, no.... So how long does this last where there isn't a full moon anywhere on Earth?

2 weeks. Over the next week, just after sunset, you'll start to notice the moon as a waxing crescent. After one week, it will reach the "First Quarter" phase. After the first week, it is known as a waxing gibbous, and will continue to rise later and later (roughly 50 minutes per day, every day) until, after 2 weeks, it will rise roughly about the same time as the sun sets, and will be a full moon. You can confirm any of this yourself with some observations and patience, as I have.

So for two weeks out of every year, nobody on Earth, ANYWHERE, sees a FULL moon and it happens in February, would this be correct?
So the other 50 weeks of the year, there will always be a full moon SOMEWHERE on Earth. Would this be right so far?

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:34:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:27:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:13:21 AM

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Ok, right now, no.... So how long does this last where there isn't a full moon anywhere on Earth?

2 weeks. Over the next week, just after sunset, you'll start to notice the moon as a waxing crescent. After one week, it will reach the "First Quarter" phase. After the first week, it is known as a waxing gibbous, and will continue to rise later and later (roughly 50 minutes per day, every day) until, after 2 weeks, it will rise roughly about the same time as the sun sets, and will be a full moon. You can confirm any of this yourself with some observations and patience, as I have.

So for two weeks out of every year, nobody on Earth, ANYWHERE, sees a FULL moon and it happens in February, would this be correct?
So the other 50 weeks of the year, there will always be a full moon SOMEWHERE on Earth. Would this be right so far?

No scepti, you're still not getting it. The lunar cycle is a 4 week cycle that goes all year, every year. Pick any start point you like, but I'm going to start from the full moon. Over the first week of the cycle, the moon wanes through "waning gibbous" to the "last quarter". Through week 2, it continues to wane through "waning crescent" to "new moon", around which point it is near impossible to see for reasons explained previously. After this, follow the description I just gave from "new moon" to "full moon", after which the cycle repeats, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

This moon phase calendar can give you the phase of the moon for any given day: Moon Phase Calendar

This will be the phase of the moon no matter where you are on the earth on that day.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:39:35 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:34:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:27:27 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:13:21 AM

Is there anywhere on Earth right now that has a full moon?

Right now? No.

Ok, right now, no.... So how long does this last where there isn't a full moon anywhere on Earth?

2 weeks. Over the next week, just after sunset, you'll start to notice the moon as a waxing crescent. After one week, it will reach the "First Quarter" phase. After the first week, it is known as a waxing gibbous, and will continue to rise later and later (roughly 50 minutes per day, every day) until, after 2 weeks, it will rise roughly about the same time as the sun sets, and will be a full moon. You can confirm any of this yourself with some observations and patience, as I have.

So for two weeks out of every year, nobody on Earth, ANYWHERE, sees a FULL moon and it happens in February, would this be correct?
So the other 50 weeks of the year, there will always be a full moon SOMEWHERE on Earth. Would this be right so far?

No scepti, you're still not getting it. The lunar cycle is a 4 week cycle that goes all year, every year. Pick any start point you like, but I'm going to start from the full moon. Over the first week of the cycle, the moon wanes through "waning gibbous" to the "last quarter". Through week 2, it continues to wane through "waning crescent" to "new moon", around which point it is near impossible to see for reasons explained previously. After this, follow the description I just gave from "new moon" to "full moon", after which the cycle repeats, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

This moon phase calendar can give you the phase of the moon for any given day: Moon Phase Calendar

This will be the phase of the moon no matter where you are on the earth on that day.

Are you talking from one particular point on Earth? For instance: Are you talking about it as if you were calculating this from your position on Earth?

Are you talking from one particular point on Earth? Fir instance: Are you talking about it as if you were calculating this from your position on Earth?

Perhaps you missed this part:

This will be the phase of the moon no matter where you are on the earth on that day.

No matter where you are on earth, the phase of the moon is the same for everyone at a given time. Today/tonight, it is very close to a new moon, with the moon currently on the same side of the earth as the sun, not lit by the sun, and not easily visible to anyone.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:56:26 AM

Are you talking from one particular point on Earth? Fir instance: Are you talking about it as if you were calculating this from your position on Earth?

Perhaps you missed this part:

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:47:48 AM

This will be the phase of the moon no matter where you are on the earth on that day.

No matter where you are on earth, the phase of the moon is the same for everyone at a given time. Today/tonight, it is very close to a new moon, with the moon currently on the same side of the earth as the sun, not lit by the sun, and not easily visible to anyone.

Ok, never mind, it's not really important to know all of the full moons around the world, just the relevant ones, like the ones when the alleged moon landings took place.

You can agree that there was a full moon somewhere in the world when the actornauts supposedly landed on the moon, right?

Here's the dates, just so we can clarify this.

Moon landing dates.

Apollo 11: Launch date, July 16th.....landing date, July 20th, 1969

Apollo 12: Launch date, November 14th.......landing date, Novermber 19th, 1969

Apollo 14: Launch date, January 31st......landing date, February 5th, 1971.

Apollo 15: Launch date, July 26th.......landing date, July 30th, 1971.

Apollo 16: Launch date, April 16th.....landing date, April 20th 1972.

Apollo 17: Launch date, December 7th, 1972......December 11th, 1972.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 04:01:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 03:56:26 AM

Are you talking from one particular point on Earth? Fir instance: Are you talking about it as if you were calculating this from your position on Earth?

Perhaps you missed this part:

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 28, 2014, 03:47:48 AM

This will be the phase of the moon no matter where you are on the earth on that day.

No matter where you are on earth, the phase of the moon is the same for everyone at a given time. Today/tonight, it is very close to a new moon, with the moon currently on the same side of the earth as the sun, not lit by the sun, and not easily visible to anyone.

Ok, never mind, it's not really important to know all of the full moons around the world, just the relevant ones, like the ones when the alleged moon landings took place.

You can agree that there was a full moon somewhere in the world when the actornauts supposedly landed on the moon, right?

Here's the dates, just so we can clarify this.

Moon landing dates.

Apollo 11: Launch date, July 16th.....landing date, July 20th, 1969

Apollo 12: Launch date, November 14th.......landing date, Novermber 19th, 1969

Apollo 14: Launch date, January 31st......landing date, February 5th, 1971.

Apollo 15: Launch date, July 26th.......landing date, July 30th, 1971.

Apollo 16: Launch date, April 16th.....landing date, April 20th 1972.

Apollo 17: Launch date, December 7th, 1972......December 11th, 1972.

It may not. What is your point? http://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1969/july It was important to the astronauts on the moon where the sun shined .

Ok, never mind, it's not really important to know all of the full moons around the world, just the relevant ones, like the ones when the alleged moon landings took place.

I get the feeling you still don't quite get it, but anyway...

You can agree that there was a full moon somewhere in the world when the actornauts supposedly landed on the moon, right?

Not necessarily, let's check the dates first:

Here's the dates, just so we can clarify this.

Moon landing dates.

Apollo 11: Launch date, July 16th.....landing date, July 20th, 1969

July 20 was 5 days after a new moon.

Apollo 12: Launch date, November 14th.......landing date, Novermber 19th, 1969

November 19 was 9 days after a new moon.

Apollo 14: Launch date, January 31st......landing date, February 5th, 1971.

February 5 was again 9 days after a new moon.

Apollo 15: Launch date, July 26th.......landing date, July 30th, 1971.

July 30 was 7 days after a new moon.

Apollo 16: Launch date, April 16th.....landing date, April 20th. 1972

April 20, 6 days after a new moon.

Apollo 17: Launch date, December 7th, 1972......December 11th, 1972.

December 11, 5 days after a new moon.

So no, none of the Apollo missions landed during a full moon.

My point is; if the people of Earth can see the moon lit up like a beacon, then the actornauts should be lit up like beacons and the moon pictures should be as bright as hell, not in spotlight. You know this and so does any other right thinking person.

Take a look at ANY of the crap moon images and you see a dark grey moonset with spotlight areas. This would be impossible, given what we see from Earth of the moon and bearing in mind that the actornauts are supposedly on this part of the moon.
What's the excuse for this?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 28, 2014, 04:09:19 AM

Ok, never mind, it's not really important to know all of the full moons around the world, just the relevant ones, like the ones when the alleged moon landings took place.

I get the feeling you still don't quite get it, but anyway...

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You can agree that there was a full moon somewhere in the world when the actornauts supposedly landed on the moon, right?

Not necessarily, let's check the dates first:

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Here's the dates, just so we can clarify this.

Moon landing dates.

Apollo 11: Launch date, July 16th.....landing date, July 20th, 1969

July 20 was 5 days after a new moon.

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Apollo 12: Launch date, November 14th.......landing date, Novermber 19th, 1969

November 19 was 9 days after a new moon.

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Apollo 14: Launch date, January 31st......landing date, February 5th, 1971.

February 5 was again 9 days after a new moon.

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Apollo 15: Launch date, July 26th.......landing date, July 30th, 1971.

July 30 was 7 days after a new moon.

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Apollo 16: Launch date, April 16th.....landing date, April 20th. 1972

April 20, 6 days after a new moon.

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Apollo 17: Launch date, December 7th, 1972......December 11th, 1972.

December 11, 5 days after a new moon.

So no, none of the Apollo missions landed during a full moon.

It was not the full moon on earth but if you look at the landing site "on the moon" at the time it was there. 

My point is; if the people of Earth can see the moon lit up like a beacon, then the actornauts should be lit up like beacons and the moon pictures should be as bright as hell, not in spotlight. You know this and so does any other right thinking person.

Take a look at ANY of the crap moon images and you see a dark grey moonset with spotlight areas. This would be impossible, given what we see from Earth of the moon and bearing in mind that the actornauts are supposedly on this part of the moon.
What's the excuse for this?

The moon is 4000 miles across and the astronaut is about 3 feet wide. In other words the  astronaut is not 4000 miles wide. If you were on top Mt Everest would people see you as big as the mountain.

You people still haven't grasped what I'm on about. Maybe deliberate.

You people still haven't grasped what I'm on about. Maybe deliberate.

We get it. You do believe the moon is a sphere or nobody will believe whatever you say.