At sceptimatic's request...

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Nope..

As with any car with a stiff body (if you're American you'd not understand that concept), when the car is on uneven ground, often a rear wheel will 'cock' because it's run out of suspension travel and the body won't flex enough for the wheel to rest...

he's clearly stopped the buggy on uneven ground.. this is, yet again.. a trivial and pointless observation..

I may as well say - ooh! his suit is white therefor he's a pumpkin.

That's rubbish and you know it.

If it was an American car the front left wheel would also be up. Especially with the weight at the rear.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Nope..

As with any car with a stiff body (if you're American you'd not understand that concept), when the car is on uneven ground, often a rear wheel will 'cock' because it's run out of suspension travel and the body won't flex enough for the wheel to rest...

he's clearly stopped the buggy on uneven ground.. this is, yet again.. a trivial and pointless observation..

I may as well say - ooh! his suit is white therefor he's a pumpkin.

Nice try, Spanky but no cigar. You see, if that was the case, then the opposite mud, I mean, fine moon dust guard on the other rear wheel, would not be seen, because it would be obscured by the raised wheel.
Plus I'm sure N.A.S.A would have been over the moon (get it?) to allow their astronaut to park like that and twist the frame on a 30 million dollar buggy. Sometimes I wonder why I even type this, it's so ludicrous to even think that people actually believe this stuff to be real. Honestly, I sit open mouthed, then I smirk.

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Quote from: tappet on February 24, 2014, 10:05:07 PM

Look at this ridiculous video. I have no interest in what he is blowing on. I want you to look how he can hardly stay on the surface. Especially 17 seconds to 35 second mark, no traction whatsoever he is just about to do handstands. Has he got cable connected to his back or something? Then you expect me to believe they can drive a buggy on the moon let alone steer the thing.
If the buggy is on the same moon as this astronaut the steering would not work especially when it hits a bump. The buggy would do constant wheelies. I am watching this and crying with laughter.
 #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 16 : Astronaut Blows on a Rock Through a Hole in His Helmet For Breathing

I needed a hanky for this video. I was crying with laughter. 
I don't think there's any hope for people if they cannot see this bull crap for what it is.

Love it. You just ignore any alternatives offered in response and simply reposted your original post. So can we assume you have nothing further to offer on this particular piece and note on?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

The shadow tells you, you are wrong. Come on man, what's your game. The point is to see the problems, not to go into immediate panic debunk mode. lol

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

And this is only possible in a film studio on earth because...?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:14:54 AM

Quote from: tappet on February 24, 2014, 10:05:07 PM

Look at this ridiculous video. I have no interest in what he is blowing on. I want you to look how he can hardly stay on the surface. Especially 17 seconds to 35 second mark, no traction whatsoever he is just about to do handstands. Has he got cable connected to his back or something? Then you expect me to believe they can drive a buggy on the moon let alone steer the thing.
If the buggy is on the same moon as this astronaut the steering would not work especially when it hits a bump. The buggy would do constant wheelies. I am watching this and crying with laughter.
 #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 16 : Astronaut Blows on a Rock Through a Hole in His Helmet For Breathing

I needed a hanky for this video. I was crying with laughter. 
I don't think there's any hope for people if they cannot see this bull crap for what it is.

Love it. You just ignore any alternatives offered in response and simply reposted your original post. So can we assume you have nothing further to offer on this particular piece and note on?

I did warn you that you would get frustrated. I don't give up. I see it through and this is another go. It's not really for your benefit, it's for the readers to realise how they have been duped in life. I already know your motives. Debunk, debunk, debunk, at all costs.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

And this is only possible in a film studio on earth because...?

Because it very well could be a model.

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

You're smarter than that.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:43:57 AM

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

You're smarter than that.

Just going off what I can see, and from the shadows and textures, it looks like there's a small ridge (perhaps the edge of a small crater?) running under the rear left wheel of the rover.

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 01:39:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:14:54 AM

Quote from: tappet on February 24, 2014, 10:05:07 PM

Look at this ridiculous video. I have no interest in what he is blowing on. I want you to look how he can hardly stay on the surface. Especially 17 seconds to 35 second mark, no traction whatsoever he is just about to do handstands. Has he got cable connected to his back or something? Then you expect me to believe they can drive a buggy on the moon let alone steer the thing.
If the buggy is on the same moon as this astronaut the steering would not work especially when it hits a bump. The buggy would do constant wheelies. I am watching this and crying with laughter.
 #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 16 : Astronaut Blows on a Rock Through a Hole in His Helmet For Breathing

I needed a hanky for this video. I was crying with laughter. 
I don't think there's any hope for people if they cannot see this bull crap for what it is.

Love it. You just ignore any alternatives offered in response and simply reposted your original post. So can we assume you have nothing further to offer on this particular piece and note on?

I did warn you that you would get frustrated. I don't give up. I see it through and this is another go. It's not really for your benefit, it's for the readers to realise how they have been duped in life. I already know your motives. Debunk, debunk, debunk, at all costs.

Oh but you do give up, time after time, and move on to the next photo with no response to the counter evidence. And talking of ignoring things, I will ask for the third time -

Before we move
on, would you admit that your "lunar rover still stowed on lem" photo was
proven wrong? We can agree the
second photo of tyre tracks cant be
proven one way or the other. If you
can admit the first photo has been
debunked it would prove you are not brainwashed after all and we can
move on in this debate.

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

The shadow tells you, you are wrong. Come on man, what's your game. The point is to see the problems, not to go into immediate panic debunk mode. lol

I haven't gone into a panic debunk mode. This is the first time I have commented on any Apollo footage.
To my eyes, under the wheel in question, there seems to be a rock. Now I'm not saying there is a rock just that that is how it appears to me. You need to calm down.

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:29:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Nope..

As with any car with a stiff body (if you're American you'd not understand that concept), when the car is on uneven ground, often a rear wheel will 'cock' because it's run out of suspension travel and the body won't flex enough for the wheel to rest...

he's clearly stopped the buggy on uneven ground.. this is, yet again.. a trivial and pointless observation..

I may as well say - ooh! his suit is white therefor he's a pumpkin.

Nice try, Spanky but no cigar. You see, if that was the case, then the opposite mud, I mean, fine moon dust guard on the other rear wheel, would not be seen, because it would be obscured by the raised wheel.
Plus I'm sure N.A.S.A would have been over the moon (get it?) to allow their astronaut to park like that and twist the frame on a 30 million dollar buggy. Sometimes I wonder why I even type this, it's so ludicrous to even think that people actually believe this stuff to be real. Honestly, I sit open mouthed, then I smirk.

In the moons gravity, having a wheel cocked would not effect anything. You mention the frame is twisted.. it's not.

You say its ludicrous.. well, I sit here wondering why I bother with people like you - you want it to be fake and you don't have the intellect to consider obvious facts and change your mind.

Others here are at least fun to debate with.

Whether you smirk or chuckle while you type is insignificant to me.  Some might find it mildly amusing that someone could be so misguided as you are.. but I doubt any of those people  would give you a seconds thought outside this forum.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:36:56 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:29:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Nope..

As with any car with a stiff body (if you're American you'd not understand that concept), when the car is on uneven ground, often a rear wheel will 'cock' because it's run out of suspension travel and the body won't flex enough for the wheel to rest...

he's clearly stopped the buggy on uneven ground.. this is, yet again.. a trivial and pointless observation..

I may as well say - ooh! his suit is white therefor he's a pumpkin.

Nice try, Spanky but no cigar. You see, if that was the case, then the opposite mud, I mean, fine moon dust guard on the other rear wheel, would not be seen, because it would be obscured by the raised wheel.
Plus I'm sure N.A.S.A would have been over the moon (get it?) to allow their astronaut to park like that and twist the frame on a 30 million dollar buggy. Sometimes I wonder why I even type this, it's so ludicrous to even think that people actually believe this stuff to be real. Honestly, I sit open mouthed, then I smirk.

In the moons gravity, having a wheel cocked would not effect anything. You mention the frame is twisted.. it's not.

You say its ludicrous.. well, I sit here wondering why I bother with people like you - you want it to be fake and you don't have the intellect to consider obvious facts and change your mind.

Others here are at least fun to debate with.

Whether you smirk or chuckle while you type is insignificant to me.  Some might find it mildly amusing that someone could be so misguided as you are.. but I doubt any of those people  would give you a seconds thought outside this forum.

What is keeping the front left wheel on the ground?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:52:23 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:43:57 AM

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

You're smarter than that.

Just going off what I can see, and from the shadows and textures, it looks like there's a small ridge (perhaps the edge of a small crater?) running under the rear left wheel of the rover.

Blow up the picture, you can see it's nothing like that, plus you can see that the shadow does not touch the ground under the tyre.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:49:23 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 01:39:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:14:54 AM

Quote from: tappet on February 24, 2014, 10:05:07 PM

Look at this ridiculous video. I have no interest in what he is blowing on. I want you to look how he can hardly stay on the surface. Especially 17 seconds to 35 second mark, no traction whatsoever he is just about to do handstands. Has he got cable connected to his back or something? Then you expect me to believe they can drive a buggy on the moon let alone steer the thing.
If the buggy is on the same moon as this astronaut the steering would not work especially when it hits a bump. The buggy would do constant wheelies. I am watching this and crying with laughter.
 #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 16 : Astronaut Blows on a Rock Through a Hole in His Helmet For Breathing

I needed a hanky for this video. I was crying with laughter. 
I don't think there's any hope for people if they cannot see this bull crap for what it is.

Love it. You just ignore any alternatives offered in response and simply reposted your original post. So can we assume you have nothing further to offer on this particular piece and note on?

I did warn you that you would get frustrated. I don't give up. I see it through and this is another go. It's not really for your benefit, it's for the readers to realise how they have been duped in life. I already know your motives. Debunk, debunk, debunk, at all costs.

Oh but you do give up, time after time, and move on to the next photo with no response to the counter evidence. And talking of ignoring things, I will ask for the third time -

Quote

Before we move
on, would you admit that your "lunar rover still stowed on lem" photo was
proven wrong? We can agree the
second photo of tyre tracks cant be
proven one way or the other. If you
can admit the first photo has been
debunked it would prove you are not brainwashed after all and we can
move on in this debate.

For now, I will accept it's possible. I'll be looking further into this, though.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:41:39 AM

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

The shadow tells you, you are wrong. Come on man, what's your game. The point is to see the problems, not to go into immediate panic debunk mode. lol

I haven't gone into a panic debunk mode. This is the first time I have commented on any Apollo footage.
To my eyes, under the wheel in question, there seems to be a rock. Now I'm not saying there is a rock just that that is how it appears to me. You need to calm down.

The gap between the shadow tells you it is off the ground.

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:59:49 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:52:23 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:43:57 AM

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

You're smarter than that.

Just going off what I can see, and from the shadows and textures, it looks like there's a small ridge (perhaps the edge of a small crater?) running under the rear left wheel of the rover.

Blow up the picture, you can see it's nothing like that, plus you can see that the shadow does not touch the ground under the tyre.

It gets interesting when you blow the picture up. But the response will still be "all good"

In the moons gravity, having a wheel cocked would not effect anything. You mention the frame is twisted.. it's not.

In the moons gravity eh?

You say its ludicrous.. well, I sit here wondering why I bother with people like you - you want it to be fake and you don't have the intellect to consider obvious facts and change your mind.

Others here are at least fun to debate with.

It's your choice to bother with me. There's an ignore button, which I mention time and time and time, again to people like you when your knickers get into a twist. Use it or stop being a moaning Minnie minx.

Whether you smirk or chuckle while you type is insignificant to me.  Some might find it mildly amusing that someone could be so misguided as you are.. but I doubt any of those people  would give you a seconds thought outside this forum.

We aren't outside the forum, we are in it. Get on with your frenzied debunking and attempts to make people not be my friend. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 02:16:06 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:59:49 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:52:23 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on February 25, 2014, 01:43:57 AM

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 01:37:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:26:36 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:21:15 AM

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

Are you referring to the buggy's rear left hand wheel being perched up?

Yeah! I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that N.A.S.A organised a strongman contest aren't you, or are you going to say that he jacked the buggy up to change a flat mesh tyre? 

Looks to me like that wheel is parked on a rock.

Or perhaps a small ridge, there looks to be one just under the near side of the rover.

You're smarter than that.

Just going off what I can see, and from the shadows and textures, it looks like there's a small ridge (perhaps the edge of a small crater?) running under the rear left wheel of the rover.

Blow up the picture, you can see it's nothing like that, plus you can see that the shadow does not touch the ground under the tyre.

It gets interesting when you blow the picture up. But the response will still be "all good"

I asked them for a critical look and they all went into full on debunk mode, immediately. Wouldn't you think that people would like to know the truth?
You could show some of these, a buggy in mid air and they will say it's a helium filled frame. lol

I asked them for a critical look and they all went into full on debunk mode, immediately.

Well, that's a lie. I had a look, I gave my opinion, and it didn't coincide with yours.
I've now blown up the picture and I see nothing that changes my earlier opinion. I still see the vague outline of a rock under the wheel.
At this point you will accuse me of seeing what I want to see. I have no way of knowing that this is not a legitimate point. But this cognitive bias on my part is just as strong in everybody else as it is in me, including you.
It may be the case that you only see what you want to see.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 02:28:46 AM

I asked them for a critical look and they all went into full on debunk mode, immediately.

Well, that's a lie. I had a look, I gave my opinion, and it didn't coincide with yours.
I've now blown up the picture and I see nothing that changes my earlier opinion. I still see the vague outline of a rock under the wheel.
At this point you will accuse me of seeing what I want to see. I have no way of knowing that this is not a legitimate point. But this cognitive bias on my part is just as strong in everybody else as it is in me, including you.
It may be the case that you only see what you want to see.

Do you admit that it looks suspect? That's all I want to know.

Quote from: mathsman on February 25, 2014, 02:43:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 02:28:46 AM

I asked them for a critical look and they all went into full on debunk mode, immediately.

Well, that's a lie. I had a look, I gave my opinion, and it didn't coincide with yours.
I've now blown up the picture and I see nothing that changes my earlier opinion. I still see the vague outline of a rock under the wheel.
At this point you will accuse me of seeing what I want to see. I have no way of knowing that this is not a legitimate point. But this cognitive bias on my part is just as strong in everybody else as it is in me, including you.
It may be the case that you only see what you want to see.

Do you admit that it looks suspect? That's all I want to know.

It looks fine to me.

Two further photos from the sequence may suggest the wheel was sat on a ridge:

I asked them for a critical look and they all went into full on debunk mode, immediately. Wouldn't you think that people would like to know the truth?

Whatever you say scepti, but even blown way up, I still reckon it looks like that wheel's sitting on something; there is a definite edge there.

Two further photos from the sequence may suggest the wheel was sat on a ridge:

glokta, Thank you. I thought I might be losing my sanity.