" 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question.

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" 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question.
« on: November 01, 2006, 07:43:37 AM »
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Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth. Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.


Straight can be easily manipulated when dealing with compasses (I also notice that FE'ers tend to mention that often). However dealing with maps with compasses isn't the only way to navigate - here I'm going to use basic (X, Z) graphs (diagrams not included).

As you should know, graphs are not affected by magnetic poles - indeed any sort of natural force bar gravity and perhaps a few others (unless you should choose to build a redundantly huge metallic map. On a spinning top). Additionally, the use of a "Y" co-ordinate is irrelevant here, and shall not be used. Ok, here we go...

As it has been claimed numorously by real, fake and troll FE'ers, the Earth is flat "because it looks that way when you look at it". This is true in both RE and FE - it looks[/i] flat. Assuming relative flatness, this gives a suitable environment for an (X, Z) type of mapping/graphing of land. You could make the scale any size you wished - but it is important to have it within viewing distance.

Also, I'll note here that, when discussing RE here, (X, Z) is parrallel to the ground and the core of the earth (moving as a pupil seems to move across an eye) and when in the FE instance, (X, Z) is liek wiping a substance across a surface. If you don't understand that previous sentence, don't worry too much - it just makes the two theories more congruent - but they are both the same things (the type of (X, Z), I mean). Like I said, don't worry if you don't understand.

Ok...continuing on...within viewing distance. As you all should have learned in primary school, you can find a gradient from any two points on/in a graph. All you need to do here is start from where you are (presumably the origin), choose any point on your new map, and find the gradient. Using surveying equipment, in conjunction to the 'map' would make it easy to find another point along this line. And there you have it...a simple way, and 'line' you can follow all the way across...around the world that is fail-safe, and accurate. It would be, im my opinion, suitable to use something like a 100 x 100 type graph. This is practicle because of sight, and easy measurements - the scale of 100 metres to the diameter, or surface area of the Earth is irrelevant here, because, as in FE, we are talking in hypothesis, so to say "using maps like this is too much work" is pedantic.

Come to think of it the "100 m graph vs. Earth size" is the most sensible of the rediculous notions I've come across here.

-EDITED- Due to fatigue induced BBCode errors. I wrote "any[/any]"
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Re: " 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 11:13:27 AM »
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As you should know, graphs are not affected by magnetic poles - indeed any sort of natural force bar gravity and perhaps a few others (unless you should choose to build a redundantly huge metallic map. On a spinning top). Additionally, the use of a "Y" co-ordinate is irrelevant here, and shall not be used. Ok, here we go...


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Also, I'll note here that, when discussing RE here, (X, Z) is parrallel to the ground and the core of the earth (moving as a pupil seems to move across an eye) and when in the FE instance, (X, Z) is liek wiping a substance across a surface. If you don't understand that previous sentence, don't worry too much - it just makes the two theories more congruent - but they are both the same things (the type of (X, Z), I mean). Like I said, don't worry if you don't understand.


Sorry, I'm worried anyway.

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Ok...continuing on...within viewing distance. As you all should have learned in primary school, you can find a gradient from any two points on/in a graph. All you need to do here is start from where you are (presumably the origin), choose any point on your new map, and find the gradient. ...


I understand the individual words but when you put them together I am totally lost.
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" 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question.
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 12:39:46 PM »
Did this make sense to anybody?


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" 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question.
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 01:16:37 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 02:27:36 PM »
How can you navigate the Earth using a graph?
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 03:21:36 PM »
Do people really use the term "gradient" in these situations?

I'm serious about this; I haven't seen it used in this context and have no idea what it means if it is.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2006, 04:02:36 PM »
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Do people really use the term "gradient" in these situations?


Well, I figure he's talking about the slope of a line through two points... how that is related to the rest of his spew is totally lost on me.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2006, 04:29:38 PM »
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-EDITED- Due to fatigue induced BBCode errors. I wrote "any[/any]"
Hehehe.


Dude, the whole thing was fatigue induced.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2006, 02:57:23 AM »
Hehehe, sorry. It's 6:30, so hopefully I'll be less tired...Things are busy lately.

Ok...well, to make it slightly clearer...

X = left/right
Z = fowards/backwards
Y (not used) = up/down

Think of the "maps" as planar maps, where you can get (X, Y, Z) co-ordinates.

Also, completely ignore the paragraph that uses the phrase "Don't worry if you don't understand"

The term 'gradient' applies because it is dealing with this kind of map.

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I understand the individual words but when you put them together I am totally lost.


Well, you can obtain a gradient from any two points on a graph.

When you are at point A, and you use the r/r method in conjuction with point B, you can find the gradient. From that you can determine any type of rule with which to make a linear equation. With that, you can traverse a straight line over the earth till you get to the edge (in my case you don't). With the altering of terrain height, you can merely make the graph smaller, if you so desired, to make an accurate reading (which we do want).

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How can you navigate the Earth using a graph?


The same reason we navigate the round earth with W/E, N/S co-ordinates...

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Dude, the whole thing was fatigue induced


No, it wasn't. I had the idea earlier that day. However, fatigue did cloud my judgement. Still makes perfect sense though.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2006, 11:18:31 AM »
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When you are at point A, and you use the r/r method in conjuction with point B, you can find the gradient. From that you can determine any type of rule with which to make a linear equation. With that, you can traverse a straight line over the earth till you get to the edge (in my case you don't). With the altering of terrain height, you can merely make the graph smaller, if you so desired, to make an accurate reading (which we do want).


I thought you might have been on about something like this.  It won't work.  It's all well and good on a piece of paper when you have a pencil and a ruler, but try doing it in the real world over thousands of miles and you'll quickly find that mountains and rivers and seas get in the way, and a little thing called "measurement error" gets a whole lot bigger.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2006, 12:16:18 PM »
Proof about the sun

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" 'Straight' Line Around The World " Question.
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2006, 01:20:36 PM »
Proof about SunnyD

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2006, 02:20:28 PM »
Quote from: "Enraged Youth"
Hehehe, sorry. It's 6:30, so hopefully I'll be less tired...Things are busy lately.

Ok...well, to make it slightly clearer...

X = left/right
Z = fowards/backwards
Y (not used) = up/down

Think of the "maps" as planar maps, where you can get (X, Y, Z) co-ordinates.

Also, completely ignore the paragraph that uses the phrase "Don't worry if you don't understand"

The term 'gradient' applies because it is dealing with this kind of map.

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I understand the individual words but when you put them together I am totally lost.


Well, you can obtain a gradient from any two points on a graph.

When you are at point A, and you use the r/r method in conjuction with point B, you can find the gradient. From that you can determine any type of rule with which to make a linear equation. With that, you can traverse a straight line over the earth till you get to the edge (in my case you don't). With the altering of terrain height, you can merely make the graph smaller, if you so desired, to make an accurate reading (which we do want).

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How can you navigate the Earth using a graph?


The same reason we navigate the round earth with W/E, N/S co-ordinates...

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Dude, the whole thing was fatigue induced


No, it wasn't. I had the idea earlier that day. However, fatigue did cloud my judgement. Still makes perfect sense though.


There's the problem, even on a spherical earth.  The grid does not match the reality, nor does grid north match magnetic north, and magnetic north moves.

How do you plot a straight line?  Remeber that the difference between a flat earth and the round earth is about 8 inches per mile.  That's a factor of 1/7920  how are you going to use "maps" with greater accuracy than that?

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2006, 07:19:32 PM »
Now here is a question for the mathmaticians

If the line in really flat, then how can we use a flat line on the Flat earth model? Have we all been decieved since it is impossible to draw a perfectly straight line?

Additionally, are you as confused by that statement as I am lol

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2006, 06:26:33 PM »
Righto...this is cool. I'm gonna go get the logic on this straightened out a bit. Back...soonish.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2006, 06:29:48 PM »
Additionally:

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because, as in FE, we are talking in hypothesis, so to say "using maps like this is too much work" is pedantic.
 tried to be nice. I tried to not get angry at insultingly rediculous notions.

I TRIED DAMMIT

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2006, 12:25:18 PM »
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Proof about SunnyD



You just showed a picture of sunny D, therefore it is faked and Sunny D doesn't exist. Dammit Dys. why did you have to go and make that juice not exist? I like Sunny D. :(
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2006, 12:33:26 PM »
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Proof about SunnyD



You just showed a picture of sunny D, therefore it is faked and Sunny D doesn't exist. Dammit Dys. why did you have to go and make that juice not exist? I like Sunny D. :(


If I had a picture of you, I'd post it.