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Rama Set

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Variable Speed of Light
« on: June 28, 2014, 11:07:12 PM »
As I was researching Tired Light Syndrome I came across an observation made by the MAGIC Telescope of extermely high energy gamma rays that did not travel at the speed of light. As of yet, I have seen no explanation or discovery of any source of error for this measurement leading me to think that there is something very important in this observation.

Anyone know anything more about this?

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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2014, 11:40:41 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on June 28, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
As I was researching Tired Light Syndrome I came across an observation made by the MAGIC Telescope of extermely high energy gamma rays that did not travel at the speed of light. As of yet, I have seen no explanation or discovery of any source of error for this measurement leading me to think that there is something very important in this observation.

Anyone know anything more about this?

I haven't heard of this before, but I expect a source of experimental error will turn up. Like the faster than light neutrinos a while back, this would turn modern physics completely upside down, so its far more likely to be a mistake. If it's real however, things could get very interesting.
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Quote from: sceptimatic on July 29, 2014, 06:00:17 AM
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 06:01:44 AM »
I would have thought so but it has been over 7 years and I have found nothing about sources of error or potential explanations other than ruling out quantum foam.

Unless I am missing something, this should be a big problem. Other than a technical error with the telescope the only phenomenon I know of (major caveat) that could cause this is a very dense but transparent cloud of gas, like they observe in neutrinos emitted from stars.
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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 25, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2014, 09:57:21 AM »
Quote from: Rama Set on June 28, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
As I was researching Tired Light Syndrome I came across an observation made by the MAGIC Telescope of extremely [ftfy] high energy gamma rays that did not travel at the speed of light. As of yet, I have seen no explanation or discovery of any source of error for this measurement leading me to think that there is something very important in this observation.

Anyone know anything more about this?
The ether is just thicker in some places.
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2014, 11:06:31 AM »
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on June 29, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: Rama Set on June 28, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
As I was researching Tired Light Syndrome I came across an observation made by the MAGIC Telescope of extremely [ftfy] high energy gamma rays that did not travel at the speed of light. As of yet, I have seen no explanation or discovery of any source of error for this measurement leading me to think that there is something very important in this observation.

Anyone know anything more about this?
The ether is just thicker in some places.

Thanks for fixing that spelling error now if only you could offer something to the OP.
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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 25, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 11:19:38 AM »
Quote from: Rama Set on June 29, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on June 29, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: Rama Set on June 28, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
As I was researching Tired Light Syndrome I came across an observation made by the MAGIC Telescope of extremely [ftfy] high energy gamma rays that did not travel at the speed of light. As of yet, I have seen no explanation or discovery of any source of error for this measurement leading me to think that there is something very important in this observation.

Anyone know anything more about this?
The ether is just thicker in some places.

Thanks for fixing that spelling error now if only you could offer something to the OP.
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on June 29, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
The ether is just thicker in some places.
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 11:57:33 AM »
I of course can't find the article I just recently read, but it was talking about neutrinos reaching detectors before photons from the 1987 supernova. The article was talking about photons spontaneously changing into the pair product and then back again.  This would make it seem as though the photons were moving slower and thus would show up after neutrinos.
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 12:24:24 PM »
I read that same article Sokarul.  It mentioned something about two sets of neutrinos showing up, one at the 2 hour prior to visibility mark as expected, and one about 7.5 hours ahead of visibility.  One explanation was the spontaneous photon to pair product and back again.  Another was two separate neutrino expelling events in the supernova prior to it occurring.
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2014, 07:02:40 PM »
Quote from: DuckDodgers on June 29, 2014, 12:24:24 PM
I read that same article Sokarul.  It mentioned something about two sets of neutrinos showing up, one at the 2 hour prior to visibility mark as expected, and one about 7.5 hours ahead of visibility.  One explanation was the spontaneous photon to pair product and back again.  Another was two separate neutrino expelling events in the supernova prior to it occurring.
Yes. To relate it to the OP, maybe "extremely high energy gamma rays" do it more often. 
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Re: Variable Speed of Light
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2014, 09:48:45 PM »
There is one source you have of this 'variable speed of light' that has apparently never had a source of error. But what you fail to realize is that there are millions of experiments you can do that show that the speed of light (particularly through air unless you want to spend the large amount of money to get a good vacuum) is about 299704644.53915 metres per second (air at 0 °C and 1 atm pressure)
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