Correction of errors to last post on Vulcan

You do understand that astrology is a bogus practice, and has no place in the real world don't you?  It's nothing more than a bit of fun printed in the daily papers, and has no place on a site that's generally of a scientific nature (even if at times that science seems totally preposterous).

A few people here may confuse the legitimate science of astronomy with astrology, which can only muddy the waters further.

Fake "science".

Astrology can be correct but it's very time consuming and even if we can see futures from the stars it's sort of pointless as the futures cannot be changed so the knowledge we obtain from seeing futures is essentially meaningless. However If I was the type to try to see futures for say money gain I could but if I used the power of Divination for my personal benefit I would be cursed as I cannot use the Gifts I have been given for evil or else the power would consume me. Thus even though I know the power of divination I refuse to teach other people how to use it because I'm afraid that they would use the knowledge and the power for evil rather then good.

Fake "science".
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Quote from: sokarul on February 01, 2014, 02:22:00 PM

Fake "science".

Very funny.  But bound to confuse and confound the astrologists amongst us.   

Nevertheless it can also be utilised as predictive tool, but that merely indicates probable future trends.

Astrologers, not "Astrologists" will not be confused, nor confounded by this shallow video and it is perhaps amusing depending upon who one is laughing at.

Fake "science".

Quote from: Silverman on February 02, 2014, 09:32:20 AM

Nevertheless it can also be utilised as predictive tool, but that merely indicates probable future trends.

Oh that astrology could be used as any sort of "predictive tool"!  Or even accurately indicate "future trends".

Unfortunately, astrology can't do those things; nor can the highest of high-tech science.

Science can however develop models based on past experiences and outcomes for specific scenarios.  Using these models, we can then formulate a projection for future outcomes under the same type of scenarios.  In Australia for example, bushfire modelling has proved very successful in enabling proactive preparations for fire-prone communities.

There's absolutely no way that astrology could do the same thing.

I've also come across some people who aren't even sure of the differences between astronomy and astrology—believe it or not.  And because they sound superficially similar, astrology often rides on the back of astronomy in order to gain some sort of pseudo-scientific legitimacy.

Each Act represents an Act of Creation.

I could argue further with you about astrology, since you appear to be keen to debunk it, but in so doing it would take several years for me to teach you.

I sympathise with you upon your concerns, and therefore I recommend that you study Astrology for at least 3 to 5 years, once you have done this then you may get back to me.

I have studied and practiced it over a thirty year period and I'm still a student.

I recommend you read, if you are able to (with respect) The American Ephemeris for the 21st Century 2000 to 2050 by Neil Michelson

You do understand that astrology is a bogus practice, and has no place in the real world don't you?  It's nothing more than a bit of fun printed in the daily papers, and has no place on a site that's generally of a scientific nature (even if at times that science seems totally preposterous).

A few people here may confuse the legitimate science of astronomy with astrology, which can only muddy the waters further.

Many notable names in globularism have delved into astrology.

Quote from: Silverman on February 03, 2014, 04:07:23 AM

I could argue further with you about astrology, since you appear to be keen to debunk it, but in so doing it would take several years for me to teach you.

I don't need to debunk astrology; hundreds of more erudite scholars before me have already done just that.  And did you read my link to the Skeptic's Dictionary?

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I sympathise with you upon your concerns, and therefore I recommend that you study Astrology for at least 3 to 5 years, once you have done this then you may get back to me.

If I were going to spend up to five years studying, I'd choose to study a legitimate science.

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I have studied and practiced it over a thirty year period and I'm still a student.

And yet a neurosurgeon only studies for 13 years.   Obviously your training is defective if you're still a student.

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I recommend you read, if you are able to (with respect) The American Ephemeris for the 21st Century 2000 to 2050 by Neil Michelson

Thanks, but no thanks.  I don't have the time to waste reading more than 300 pages of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook.

How true it is the saying that the sacred esoteric knowledge is not for the profane.

How true it is the saying that the sacred esoteric knowledge is not for the profane.

Quote from: Ski on February 03, 2014, 08:32:35 AM

Many notable names in globularism have delved into astrology.

Could you please name a few?

Quote from: Silverman on February 03, 2014, 08:52:39 AM

How true it is the saying that the sacred esoteric knowledge is not for the profane.

I thank you for your sanctimony.

As a matter of interest, I was born at 11:55PM on September 25 in the year of the Dog.

So... You lose.  Please don't expect a cheque in the mail any time soon.

Newton, Brahe, Copernicus, Galileo, Cassini, Kepler, Jung, Ptolemy, Bacon, and of course Pythagoras. I'm sure I'm missing scores, but that's a few pretty well-known names for you off the top of my head.

Quote from: Silverman on February 03, 2014, 08:52:39 AM

How true it is the saying that the sacred esoteric knowledge is not for the profane.

I thank you for your sanctimony.

As a matter of interest, I was born at 11:55PM on September 25 in the year of the Dog.

So... You lose.  Please don't expect a cheque in the mail any time soon.

Thank you for your birth details. What year where you born and whereabouts?

Quote from: Ski on February 03, 2014, 09:06:18 AM

Newton, Brahe, Copernicus, Galileo, Cassini, Kepler, Jung, Ptolemy, Bacon, and of course Pythagoras. I'm sure I'm missing scores, but that's a few pretty well-known names for you off the top of my head.

Uh... you do know when these guys were alive don't you?  Any names of guys that have anything at all to do with contemporary science?  You know... that haven't been dead and buried for hundreds of years LOL.

Is this a form of chronological snobbery or do you have something specific they stated that you'd wish to refute with evidence? Or do you simply not subscribe because it is no longer in vogue with Scientific Orthodoxy?

That stunning statement belies the fact that they were pursuing these subjects of their own volition and interest in many or most cases. Newton and Jung in particular pursued the subject scientifically and not as a form of fundraising. Not all were court whores like the murderous Kepler.

Not all were court whores like the murderous Kepler.