REs Please Explain

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 05:35:44 AM

maybe it would suprise you to know that when i was younger i believed the 911 hoax and apollo hoax due to only having a partial interest at the time and thus being ideal fodder to soak up the conspiracy videos and articles. However as time went on the overwhelming inconsistencies in the theories prompted me to look at all angles and all availiable evidence and an now of an opposite viewpoint. I can look back on that period of naievity with some shame, something we all hold hope may also happen to you if you care to better yourself. With the wealth of information available now at your fingertips, there is no excuse for ignorance.

Look back on that period with some shame? Are you winding me up?
Stop telling blatant lies. You haven't looked at anything and thought it a conspiracy. You're just using that ruse to attempt to make you sound more plausible in arguing your indoctrinated stance.
You don't fool me with that explanation.

so even my past belief of some conspiracies are also part of a big lie? Sticking your fingers in your ears refusing to listen to anyone that doesnt agree with you does not make you more intelligent than the "indoctrinated" masses. And the sad thing is i think you know that deep down

Who are you trying to convince, here? You've got no chance with me. You people are as transparent as the clearest glass. Your objectives are there for all to see. To hang onto the hollywood clap trap that's passed off as scientific amazement.

Please list everything you believe is passed off.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:52:55 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 05:35:44 AM

maybe it would suprise you to know that when i was younger i believed the 911 hoax and apollo hoax due to only having a partial interest at the time and thus being ideal fodder to soak up the conspiracy videos and articles. However as time went on the overwhelming inconsistencies in the theories prompted me to look at all angles and all availiable evidence and an now of an opposite viewpoint. I can look back on that period of naievity with some shame, something we all hold hope may also happen to you if you care to better yourself. With the wealth of information available now at your fingertips, there is no excuse for ignorance.

Look back on that period with some shame? Are you winding me up?
Stop telling blatant lies. You haven't looked at anything and thought it a conspiracy. You're just using that ruse to attempt to make you sound more plausible in arguing your indoctrinated stance.
You don't fool me with that explanation.

so even my past belief of some conspiracies are also part of a big lie? Sticking your fingers in your ears refusing to listen to anyone that doesnt agree with you does not make you more intelligent than the "indoctrinated" masses. And the sad thing is i think you know that deep down

For a kid to believe something and then later find that it was naive, I can accept that. I don;t know what happened with you, or if you were just a kid and going along with it all, then finding out later that you were naive, I don't know -  but if so, then I think it's more naive of you to have discarded it, based on what you actually see, now.
I was the opposite to you in that, I believed anything when I was a kid and now I find that a lot of it requires serious questioning.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:55:52 AM

Who are you trying to convince, here? You've got no chance with me. You people are as transparent as the clearest glass. Your objectives are there for all to see. To hang onto the hollywood clap trap that's passed off as scientific amazement.

Please list everything you believe is passed off.

Satellites.
Moon landings.
Moon rovers.
Mars rovers.
ISS.
Space rockets.
 I could go on forever to be fair. I think you get my drift.

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 05:59:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:52:55 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 05:35:44 AM

maybe it would suprise you to know that when i was younger i believed the 911 hoax and apollo hoax due to only having a partial interest at the time and thus being ideal fodder to soak up the conspiracy videos and articles. However as time went on the overwhelming inconsistencies in the theories prompted me to look at all angles and all availiable evidence and an now of an opposite viewpoint. I can look back on that period of naievity with some shame, something we all hold hope may also happen to you if you care to better yourself. With the wealth of information available now at your fingertips, there is no excuse for ignorance.

Look back on that period with some shame? Are you winding me up?
Stop telling blatant lies. You haven't looked at anything and thought it a conspiracy. You're just using that ruse to attempt to make you sound more plausible in arguing your indoctrinated stance.
You don't fool me with that explanation.

so even my past belief of some conspiracies are also part of a big lie? Sticking your fingers in your ears refusing to listen to anyone that doesnt agree with you does not make you more intelligent than the "indoctrinated" masses. And the sad thing is i think you know that deep down

For a kid to believe something and then later find that it was naive, I can accept that. I don;t know what happened with you, or if you were just a kid and going along with it all, then finding out later that you were naive, I don't know -  but if so, then I think it's more naive of you to have discarded it, based on what you actually see, now.
I was the opposite to you in that, I believed anything when I was a kid and now I find that a lot of it requires serious questioning.

thats what i just said..i believed the conspiracy when i was younger and then realised it needed serious questioning..like most people do when they grow up and seek out information. And before you say i have been indoctrinated with misinformation, what is your alternative? The mish mash of contradicting fantasy theories that make up this website and change on a whim to suit any argument? 

D.Day landings. How many millions of soldiers, personnel, intelligence and a whole host of other parties involved, yet they apparently managed to fool the Germans, so we are led to believe.

You obviously know virtually nothing about "Operation Overlord" or D-Day as you call it.  The only people who knew the precise timing and location at Normandy were the seven members of the London Controlling Section (LCS) whose existence wasn't publicly revealed until 1969.  Even the troops weren't in the know, and a massive amount of disinformation was produced during "Operation Fortitude".

To suggest that "millions" of personnel were involved in the cover up is ludicrous.

Not one person managed to infiltrate it all or one person let slip what was going down.

Exactly right.  And which is why it was so successful.  Duh...

There's been hundreds and hundreds of pictures and video that's been presented that stinks of being fake. The fact that people like you, desperately try to pass them off as being perfectly legitimate looking, tells me that your intentions are based on nothing other than to protect the lies.

Could you give us a few examples of why you, personally, believe a lot of the photographs and videos of the moon landings and satellites are bogus?  Can you also post a few images and note specifically what makes them clearly bogus?

It's really pointless to claim there are thousands of fake images presented as authentic unless you post some of those images for us to assess.  That's only fair, as we REs have posted dozens of images to support our case.

Can you also clarify exactly what vested interests you think people like me (or other REs) would have in supporting an allegedly massive, fraudulent space program coverup?  As an individual, what'd be in it for me?
 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:07:14 AM

D.Day landings. How many millions of soldiers, personnel, intelligence and a whole host of other parties involved, yet they apparently managed to fool the Germans, so we are led to believe.

You obviously know virtually nothing about "Operation Overlord" or D-Day as you call it.  The only people who knew the precise timing and location at Normandy were the seven members of the London Controlling Section (LCS) whose existence wasn't publicly revealed until 1969.  Even the troops weren't in the know, and a massive amount of disinformation was produced during "Operation Fortitude".

To suggest that "millions" of personnel were involved in the cover up is ludicrous.

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Not one person managed to infiltrate it all or one person let slip what was going down.

Exactly right.  And which is why it was so successful.  Duh...

I don't think you grasp what I'm getting at.
Most of the arguments by you people, especially inrelation to space, is that you say, 'how can it be fake, there were hundreds of thousands of people INVOLVED, how can they keep it a secret?"

Well there were millions INVOLVED in the D.Day carry on, we are led to believe, so what's the difference?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:25:18 AM

There's been hundreds and hundreds of pictures and video that's been presented that stinks of being fake. The fact that people like you, desperately try to pass them off as being perfectly legitimate looking, tells me that your intentions are based on nothing other than to protect the lies.

Could you give us a few examples of why you, personally, believe a lot of the photographs and videos of the moon landings and satellites are bogus?  Can you also post a few images and note specifically what makes them clearly bogus?

It's really pointless to claim there are thousands of fake images presented as authentic unless you post some of those images for us to assess.  That's only fair, as we REs have posted dozens of images to support our case.

Can you also clarify exactly what vested interests you think people like me (or other REs) would have in supporting an allegedly massive, fraudulent space program coverup?  As an individual, what'd be in it for me?

I could put up many photo's, as has been done but you immediately go into frenzy mode and immediately deny there's nothing amiss.
As for what's in it for you. I don't know. Maybe you're just a staunch believer in all media or everything official and will argue the point based entirely on that.
I don't know what your motives are and I don't really care to be honest. It just puzzles me how people like you go into 100% denial mode against EVERYTHING that's said against ANY official line.

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 15, 2014, 06:54:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:25:18 AM

There's been hundreds and hundreds of pictures and video that's been presented that stinks of being fake. The fact that people like you, desperately try to pass them off as being perfectly legitimate looking, tells me that your intentions are based on nothing other than to protect the lies.

Could you give us a few examples of why you, personally, believe a lot of the photographs and videos of the moon landings and satellites are bogus?  Can you also post a few images and note specifically what makes them clearly bogus?

It's really pointless to claim there are thousands of fake images presented as authentic unless you post some of those images for us to assess.  That's only fair, as we REs have posted dozens of images to support our case.

Can you also clarify exactly what vested interests you think people like me (or other REs) would have in supporting an allegedly massive, fraudulent space program coverup?  As an individual, what'd be in it for me?

I could put up many photo's, as has been done but you immediately go into frenzy mode and immediately deny there's nothing amiss.
As for what's in it for you. I don't know. Maybe you're just a staunch believer in all media or everything official and will argue the point based entirely on that.
I don't know what your motives are and I don't really care to be honest. It just puzzles me how people like you go into 100% denial mode against EVERYTHING that's said against ANY official line.

typical flat earth response when backed into a corner. How about we flip it around and instead of posting just one photo or video you believe is fake, how about you post just one photo or video you think proves the earth to be flat?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 07:07:08 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 15, 2014, 06:54:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:25:18 AM

There's been hundreds and hundreds of pictures and video that's been presented that stinks of being fake. The fact that people like you, desperately try to pass them off as being perfectly legitimate looking, tells me that your intentions are based on nothing other than to protect the lies.

Could you give us a few examples of why you, personally, believe a lot of the photographs and videos of the moon landings and satellites are bogus?  Can you also post a few images and note specifically what makes them clearly bogus?

It's really pointless to claim there are thousands of fake images presented as authentic unless you post some of those images for us to assess.  That's only fair, as we REs have posted dozens of images to support our case.

Can you also clarify exactly what vested interests you think people like me (or other REs) would have in supporting an allegedly massive, fraudulent space program coverup?  As an individual, what'd be in it for me?

I could put up many photo's, as has been done but you immediately go into frenzy mode and immediately deny there's nothing amiss.
As for what's in it for you. I don't know. Maybe you're just a staunch believer in all media or everything official and will argue the point based entirely on that.
I don't know what your motives are and I don't really care to be honest. It just puzzles me how people like you go into 100% denial mode against EVERYTHING that's said against ANY official line.

typical flat earth response when backed into a corner. How about we flip it around and instead of posting just one photo or video you believe is fake, how about you post just one photo or video you think proves the earth to be flat?

How about you post just one photo or video that shows the earth to be a ball. YOUR video or photo, not a random pile of garbage spewed out by N.A.S.A or affiliates.

This video shows to what extent a country new to the space charade goes through to prove they are a technologically strong country.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">China's Space Walk Was FAKE (part 1)

Well there were millions INVOLVED in the D.Day carry on, we are led to believe, so what's the difference?

I totally disagree with this particular claim of yours.

Can you please post a link confirming that there were millions of people involved with D-Day?
 
 

I could put up many photo's, as has been done but you immediately go into frenzy mode and immediately deny there's nothing amiss. As for what's in it for you. I don't know. Maybe you're just a staunch believer in all media or everything official and will argue the point based entirely on that.

I only want you to post two or three of your photos to prove your point that they're bogus.  And I can assure you that I won't go into "a frenzy" LOL.  I just want the chance to see the type of photographic fraud you're talking about.  Surely it's not beyond your capabilities to post a few images?  Or do you really expect me to just take your word for it—sight unseen?

I don't know what your motives are and I don't really care to be honest. It just puzzles me how people like you go into 100% denial mode against EVERYTHING that's said against ANY official line.

I don't have any "motives" in accepting the legitimacy of the photographic images—that's the whole point.  I'm asking you to tell me what you think those motives might be.

So... can you tell me what motivates you to write off the entire space program as one massive fraud?  Something must be motivating your extreme resistance to accepting that even some of the images are genuine.  What is it?  Do you think people are out to "get you"?  Or the US government and NASA are all criminals with ulterior motives?  You're starting to sound more and more like a conspiracy theorist with every comment.

And I must say it's actually quite funny that you're accusing the REs of going into 100% "denial mode" in defence of the official line—when it's actually you that's doing that repeatedly whenever you're asked to provide even the tiniest modicum of evidence for your FE theory.
 

When you calm down, Geoff, we can get back to normality. Until you stop the frenzy, I can't be bothered to show you anything.

Who are you trying to convince, here? You've got no chance with me.

I know. You appear to be here to play silly games and make things up, as it makes you feel better about you place in the world, for reasons I can't intuitively grasp.  I'm happy to play along for the moment, when I'm not, I'll leave.

You people are as transparent as the clearest glass. Your objectives are there for all to see. To hang onto the hollywood clap trap that's passed off as scientific amazement.

OK, that's great.  Have you anything of substance to add to the debate? 

Reading through your posts you seem to just like blowing smoke, constantly making out you are better than everyone else as you are the only one to see through the Big Lie.  Why don't you try bringing some evidence to the table for once?  Or at least some intelligent debate

When you calm down, Geoff, we can get back to normality. Until you stop the frenzy, I can't be bothered to show you anything.

asking you to back up what you state as fact with evidence is not a frenzy, it is what we re'rs do time and again, and something you have yet to even attempt.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 05:55:52 AM

Who are you trying to convince, here? You've got no chance with me.

I know. You appear to be here to play silly games and make things up, as it makes you feel better about you place in the world, for reasons I can't intuitively grasp.  I'm happy to play along for the moment, when I'm not, I'll leave.

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You people are as transparent as the clearest glass. Your objectives are there for all to see. To hang onto the hollywood clap trap that's passed off as scientific amazement.

OK, that's great.  Have you anything of substance to add to the debate? 

Reading through your posts you seem to just like blowing smoke, constantly making out you are better than everyone else as you are the only one to see through the Big Lie.  Why don't you try bringing some evidence to the table for once?  Or at least some intelligent debate

I'll stick to what I'm doing, thanks.

Have you anything of substance to add to the debate? 
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Or at least some intelligent debate?

I'll stick to what I'm doing, thanks.

Ha!  Classic.

At least you were honest.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 07:52:31 AM

When you calm down, Geoff, we can get back to normality. Until you stop the frenzy, I can't be bothered to show you anything.

asking you to back up what you state as fact with evidence is not a frenzy, it is what we re'rs do time and again, and something you have yet to even attempt.

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it. That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

A map of the flat earth, explanation of south facing tv satellite dishes on the south coast.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

as has already been requested repeatedly - i belive geoff wanted evidence to back your claim that millions were involved with d-day and i have requested just one photo or video you believe proves a flat earth OR just one video or photo you claim proves the space programme is fake...

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

A map of the flat earth, explanation of south facing tv satellite dishes on the south coast.

Ok, I'm going to need some help from you. In order for me to get you this map, I need the finance to map the entire earth, for real. How do you suggest we do this?
As for your south facing satellite dishes. Stop getting yourself into a tizzy over it. You don't even know what you're talking about; you're simply just mentioning it because nobody will answer you and for good reason.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

as has already been requested repeatedly - i belive geoff wanted evidence to back your claim that millions were involved with d-day and i have requested just one photo or video you believe proves a flat earth OR just one video or photo you claim proves the space programme is fake...

I can't back up any claim about D-day, except to assume there were millions involved as we are told, which is why I said, 'so we are told.'
Apparently there were a lot of soldiers involved in it all. My point though, still stands.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you

OK, I'd like one single shred of physical evidence that an ice dome exists above the earth.

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 08:18:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 08:03:20 AM

If you keep telling yourself this, you will eventually believe it.

That's your trick, not his.

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That's what your handlers done to you at the schools and colleges you attended. It can be like an unshakeable virus, one which you have to live with because you get to the stage where it's gripped you so hard, it's thought of as the norm and accepted. Only a large dose of reality pills will aid you in ridding yourself of it. They're cheap and in abundance and I'm just one supplier.

More blah, blah.  Bring some evidence.  Go on, I dare ya.

Certainly. What would you like? Be specific in what you would like me to show you that will make you come out of that shell of yours and stop nipping.

as has already been requested repeatedly - i belive geoff wanted evidence to back your claim that millions were involved with d-day and i have requested just one photo or video you believe proves a flat earth OR just one video or photo you claim proves the space programme is fake...

I can't back up any claim about D-day, except to assume there were millions involved as we are told, which is why I said, 'so we are told.'
Apparently there were a lot of soldiers involved in it all. My point though, still stands.

keep trying you are nearly there! You know the bit where you said "there were millions involved as we are told" - if you can reference a source of some kind that is what we would call backing up your claim with evidence. And how about the photos and videos?

Why can you not explain the south facing satellite tv dishes I see?

OK, I'd like one single shred of physical evidence that an ice dome exists above the earth.

JimmyTheCrab, please do not try to deliberately derail threads.  Thanks.