"The Edge of The Earth" and Polaris

So the edge of the Earth apparently from what I have read looking around is a wall of ice. So, you are telling me that there is a tangible body of ice (glacier for say) that there is no evidence whether from space or simple exploration? And don't try to tell me that the U.S. Government covered it up or some story like that. There would be pictures on the internet no matter what. So explain to me why there is no evidence of this "wall of ice". Oh ya and just another question: What is beyond the wall of ice?

I have another Topic question: How can you flat earthers explain the polaris affect? The polaris affect if you are not familiar is what you would observe if you left a camera facing the sky at the North Pole during night. Here is a link to a picture: https://www.google.com/search?q=flat+earth+wall+of+ice&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=QvnIUoKDJonooAStwIHABQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=922#q=polaris+star&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=5-MtrpA53QuGfM%3A%3B_2vZ4Brb7EfRFM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia.skyandtelescope.com%252Fimages%252Felaibj_circompolar2_wide_m.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.skyandtelescope.com%252Fnews%252F3309131.html%3B428%3B286 (srry really long link)

This affect is due to the rotation of round earth on its axis. Note: I am in no way an expert, in fact I am 15 years old. I do have my speculations about the flat earth society and I am indeed a spherical earther but I would love to see you guys try to prove me wrong.

The "ice wall" is simply what most people call Antarctica.  Beyond it is cold, snow, and ice.  Beyond that, nobody knows for sure.

The stars revolve around Polaris.  Are you saying this cannot happen on a flat Earth?  I don't follow your logic.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the Flat Earth Society.

The "ice wall" is simply what most people call Antarctica.  Beyond it is cold, snow, and ice.  Beyond that, nobody knows for sure.

The stars revolve around Polaris.  Are you saying this cannot happen on a flat Earth?  I don't follow your logic.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the Flat Earth Society.

Enough with the nobody knows for sure crap, we round earthers got it all straight, Antarctica is a continent of which you can navigate the shoreline of and walk right through the other side (of which you can look up multiple expeditions doing so).

So you are saying the stars are rotating around polaris? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I don't follow your silly logic. Please do more research on Polaris because I am not an expert and I failed in explaining it well.

People do not walk across antarctica all the time.  Very few people claim to have walked across Antarctica, and most of the expeditions that do claim to have traversed across the entire continent really only crossed a small section of it when you look at their routes.

As for Polaris, take a look at your avatar.  The whole sky looks like it is revolving around Polaris.  I would say that this is more proof that the Earth is flat, not that it is round. 

People do not walk across antarctica all the time.  Very few people claim to have walked across Antarctica, and most of the expeditions that do claim to have traversed across the entire continent really only crossed a small section of it when you look at their routes.

As for Polaris, take a look at your avatar.  The whole sky looks like it is revolving around Polaris.  I would say that this is more proof that the Earth is flat, not that it is round.

Although a trek across Antarctica is near impossible due to very harsh conditions here are a few articles I think you might want to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Trans-Antarctic_Expedition
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/9547600/Sir-Ranulph-Fiennes-dismisses-age-concerns-as-he-plans-six-month-impossible-trek-across-Antarctica.html
http://www.theguardian.com/science/antarctica-live/2014/jan/04/antarctic-expedition-was-worth-it-chris-turney
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/expeditioner-to-make-firstever/79572
Question: How do you explain the South Pole and where on the flat earth map is it located?

Yes! The whole sky appears to be revolving around Polaris because that is the Polaris Affect! Amazing spectacle isn't it! The Earth's rotation causes this affect because Polaris is located approximately above the North Pole. The stars appear to rotate around polaris because polaris appears stationary. Again, please do some research on this subject. Here is a diagram you might have fun disproving: https://www.google.com/search?q=flat+earth+wall+of+ice&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=QvnIUoKDJonooAStwIHABQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=922#q=polaris+star&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=qae5_XGyescaLM%3A%3Bhye3ajUoRd5BuM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstarchild.gsfc.nasa.gov%252FImages%252FStarChild%252Fquestions%252Fprecession_animation.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstarchild.gsfc.nasa.gov%252Fdocs%252FStarChild%252Fquestions%252Fquestion64.html%3B540%3B425

An article: http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question64.html

I quit reading after the first article that you posted.  You do know that Sir Ranulph Fiennes did not go on the expedition, right?  He had to quit before expedition left because this geneous thought it would be a good idea to take his gloves off... in Antarctica... and got frost bite.  I would not trust this guy to lead me across town, much less on an Antarctic expedition.

Also, I still do not understand how you are trying to prove that the Earth is round by saying that the sky appears to revolve around polaris.  I know the "official" explanation and do not need to do research on the subject.  I just want for you to explain how this proves that the Earth is not flat.

I quit reading after the first article that you posted.  You do know that Sir Ranulph Fiennes did not go on the expedition, right?  He had to quit before expedition left because this geneous thought it would be a good idea to take his gloves off... in Antarctica... and got frost bite.  I would not trust this guy to lead me across town, much less on an Antarctic expedition.

Also, I still do not understand how you are trying to prove that the Earth is round by saying that the sky appears to revolve around polaris.  I know the "official" explanation and do not need to do research on the subject.  I just want for you to explain how this proves that the Earth is not flat.

Ok lets drop the Antarctica subject and bring it up later on. So again about Polaris. On a Spherical Earth if you go to the South Pole and watch polaris the stars will appear to revolve around whilst Polaris stays stationary. This appears this way because the earth is rotating on an axis and Polaris is roughly just above the point at which the axis rotates on. On a flat Earth please explain to me what could be the explanation of the stars appearing to revolve around polaris. And please answer my question: where is the North Pole located on the FE map?

On a Spherical Earth if you go to the South Pole and watch polaris the stars will appear to revolve around whilst Polaris stays stationary.

How does one watch polaris from the South Pole?

On a flat Earth please explain to me what could be the explanation of the stars appearing to revolve around polaris.

All of the celestial objects appear to revolve around Polaris.  This is likely due to the eddy effect of the Aetheral winds as they blow past the Earth.

And please answer my question: where is the North Pole located on the FE map?

In the center of this map.

A map like that does not fit in with measured distances between places.

I did not say it was perfectly accurate, but since the map does not have a scale on it, I don't see how you could claim that the distances are not correct, seeing as we can not measure the distances without a scale. 

I did not say it was perfectly accurate, but since the map does not have a scale on it, I don't see how you could claim that the distances are not correct, seeing as we can not measure the distances without a scale.

Calculate relative ones. Please add a scale.

Whats the distance from Sydney in Australia to New York.  Why is the route via the North Pole?

As for Polaris, take a look at your avatar.  The whole sky looks like it is revolving around Polaris.  I would say that this is more proof that the Earth is flat, not that it is round.

A similar photo can be taken where I live, with a different star at the centre (Sigma Octantis). Explain.
The tracks are circular, in this image and any other taken with Polaris (or Sigma Octantis) in the centre of the frame. If the earth were flat, the tracks would appear elliptical (like a circle seen from slightly side on...) from anywhere other than the North Pole. Explain.

A similar photo can be taken where I live, with a different star at the centre (Sigma Octantis). Explain.
The tracks are circular, in this image and any other taken with Polaris (or Sigma Octantis) in the centre of the frame. If the earth were flat, the tracks would appear elliptical (like a circle seen from slightly side on...) from anywhere other than the North Pole. Explain.

You are asking me to explain hypothetical situations.  Since you are the one making up the hypothetical situations, why don't you make up the answers as well?

Quote from: Scintific Method on January 05, 2014, 01:20:32 AM

A similar photo can be taken where I live, with a different star at the centre (Sigma Octantis). Explain.
The tracks are circular, in this image and any other taken with Polaris (or Sigma Octantis) in the centre of the frame. If the earth were flat, the tracks would appear elliptical (like a circle seen from slightly side on...) from anywhere other than the North Pole. Explain.

You are asking me to explain hypothetical situations.  Since you are the one making up the hypothetical situations, why don't you make up the answers as well?

Hypothetical? This is a star trail photo from Australia:



Note the Southern Cross and Pointers at the top of the image, and the circular trails that all the stars have described. These photos are not hard to recreate, all that is needed is a camera capable of long exposures.

The only hypothetical here is the earth being flat. If it were, the above photo would be impossible, and Cupojoe's avatar would show elliptical trails, not circular ones. So, who's making up hypotheticals?

Hypothetical? This is a star trail photo from Australia:



Note the Southern Cross and Pointers at the top of the image, and the circular trails that all the stars have described. These photos are not hard to recreate, all that is needed is a camera capable of long exposures.

The only hypothetical here is the earth being flat. If it were, the above photo would be impossible, and Cupojoe's avatar would show elliptical trails, not circular ones. So, who's making up hypotheticals?

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it? 

Quote from: Scintific Method on January 05, 2014, 01:51:19 AM

Hypothetical? This is a star trail photo from Australia:



Note the Southern Cross and Pointers at the top of the image, and the circular trails that all the stars have described. These photos are not hard to recreate, all that is needed is a camera capable of long exposures.

The only hypothetical here is the earth being flat. If it were, the above photo would be impossible, and Cupojoe's avatar would show elliptical trails, not circular ones. So, who's making up hypotheticals?

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it?

So can I!

But this still doesn't explain why the constellations fits this movement exactly.  AKA the north star points north, from dawn till dusk. And the Octans constellation is south, from dawn till dusk.



Makes no sense at all.

Quote from: Scintific Method on January 05, 2014, 01:51:19 AM

Hypothetical? This is a star trail photo from Australia:



Note the Southern Cross and Pointers at the top of the image, and the circular trails that all the stars have described. These photos are not hard to recreate, all that is needed is a camera capable of long exposures.

The only hypothetical here is the earth being flat. If it were, the above photo would be impossible, and Cupojoe's avatar would show elliptical trails, not circular ones. So, who's making up hypotheticals?

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it?

Perhaps, but I can (and did, many times) go outside and confirm that this image is a true representation of the actual motion of the heavens. When observed over several hours, the Southern Cross and it's Pointers (not to mention the Magellanic Clouds, and every other star in the Southern sky) can easily be seen to move around a central point, the Southern Celestial Pole. Honestly, don't even try to tell me that these images are faked, I can so easily prove you wrong, just by walking outside and opening my eyes!

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it?

Once again, blind to the truth. Every picture out there can be Photoshopped. But trust we Jroa no one is taking the time to Photoshop a picture just to prove the FE theory wrong. We have plenty of evidence in our everyday lives. You can and never will believe this photo is real proof of RE until you go to that spot and do it yourself. That ladies and gentlemen is ignorance at its finest. 

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it?

This sort of response is disingenuous at best, and laughably embarrassing at worst.

Is this really the best the FEs can come up with?  To simply dismiss all RE's photographic evidence as bogus?

To prove your point, can you post a similar image showing what this sky shot would look like from a flat earth perspective.

People do not walk across antarctica all the time.  Very few people claim to have walked across Antarctica, and most of the expeditions that do claim to have traversed across the entire continent really only crossed a small section of it when you look at their routes.

As for Polaris, take a look at your avatar.  The whole sky looks like it is revolving around Polaris.  I would say that this is more proof that the Earth is flat, not that it is round.

1.Enough people "have walked across, explored, charted and mapped Antarctica" to map an accurate map of it. The Ice Ring is mis-interpreted as the Ice Shelfs around the exterior of Antarctica and they aren't even continuous.

2. It is the rotation of the earth that causes the apparent rotation of the stars.

Please be advised that you are dealing with the Flat Earth Society who have no evidence of the Ice Wall. Even their "Bipolar Map of the World" shows "Antarctica as a continent" and the Ice Walll is explained since the rim of the Flat Earth is so far from the sun that the ocean freezes and prevent the ocean from spilling over the edge.

Also be advised of anything on this website is dealing with Flat Earth ? -vs- Round Earth Fact, although they are never going to admit it. Frankly the genuine view of most - excluding the Flat Earth Society - Is  that this website is an embarrassment to the Internet.

Quote from: jroa on January 05, 2014, 02:20:27 AM

I could photoshop a picture like that in a no time.  This is not exactly proof of anything, now is it?

This sort of response is disingenuous at best, and laughably embarrassing at worst.

Is this really the best the FEs can come up with?  To simply dismiss all RE's photographic evidence as bogus?

To prove your point, can you post a similar image showing what this sky shot would look like from a flat earth perspective.

Surely there should surely be at least enough members of the Flat Earth Society who "can post a similar image showing what this sky shot would look like from a flat earth perspective." It wouldn't take a professional photographer. Just an amateur with a camera capable of taking a time exposure as has been shown.

A map like that does not fit in with measured distances between places.

That map is simply a "North Polar Projection" that was made from a globe. You cannot make a flat earth projection of a round earth globe without distortion. There is really no such thing as a "Flat Earth Map" and some Flat Earthers will even admit that.

Quote from: inquisitive on January 05, 2014, 01:05:49 AM

A map like that does not fit in with measured distances between places.

That map is simply a "North Polar Projection" that was made from a globe. You cannot make a flat earth projection of a round earth globe without distortion. There is really no such thing as a "Flat Earth Map" and some Flat Earthers will even admit that.

Eh this map works pretty well.

Distances do not represent actual ones.

Eh this map works pretty well.

Nope.  Sorry but in no way does it "work".

If I leave the north-western coast of Australia at Broome, and travel due west—in a perfectly straight line, I'll hit the coast of Africa under a round-earth model.

Under your flat-earth model, it's doubtful I'd hit any land mass.  At any rate, I'd have to follow an arc to avoid hitting India.