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Re: GPS
« Reply #240 on: January 02, 2014, 06:24:27 AM »

Is this a photo or an image drawing?
Does it make sense to you?
Forget that bit...of course it will make sense to you...you're a scientists, aren't you.


Yes; it's an actual photographic image taken from one of the US space shuttles.

I don't understand precisely the science behind the image, but I do understand what it's representing—which is tiny particles floating in the vacuum of space.

And no;  I'm not a scientist by any definition of the word!  I'm just an average guy interested in what makes our planet tick.
So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?

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« Reply #241 on: January 02, 2014, 07:01:31 AM »

So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?


I have no idea, other than the image was produced by Professor DONALD BROWNLEE who's currently a principal investigator for the NASA "STARDUST Discovery" mission, that that will collect comet samples and return them to Earth.

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« Reply #242 on: January 02, 2014, 07:02:26 AM »

Is this a photo or an image drawing?
Does it make sense to you?
Forget that bit...of course it will make sense to you...you're a scientists, aren't you.


Yes; it's an actual photographic image taken from one of the US space shuttles.

I don't understand precisely the science behind the image, but I do understand what it's representing—which is tiny particles floating in the vacuum of space.

And no;  I'm not a scientist by any definition of the word!  I'm just an average guy interested in what makes our planet tick.
So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?

Why does the kind of camera matter?

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« Reply #243 on: January 02, 2014, 07:17:54 AM »

So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?


I have no idea, other than the image was produced by Professor DONALD BROWNLEE who's currently a principal investigator for the NASA "STARDUST Discovery" mission, that that will collect comet samples and return them to Earth.
Did Donald Brownlee  take this picture or did someone else take it. And why is there no info on the camera that was used?

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« Reply #244 on: January 02, 2014, 07:20:05 AM »

Is this a photo or an image drawing?
Does it make sense to you?
Forget that bit...of course it will make sense to you...you're a scientists, aren't you.


Yes; it's an actual photographic image taken from one of the US space shuttles.

I don't understand precisely the science behind the image, but I do understand what it's representing—which is tiny particles floating in the vacuum of space.

And no;  I'm not a scientist by any definition of the word!  I'm just an average guy interested in what makes our planet tick.
So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?

Why does the kind of camera matter?
Are you kidding me, or what?
I've just been shown a picture of something that looks like (wasn't described) whatever it's supposed to be.
Now I'm assuming, it's supposed to be scattered particles of matter and if so, what camera was used from the so called SPACE SHUTTLE to actually get this picture.

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« Reply #245 on: January 02, 2014, 07:52:29 AM »

Is this a photo or an image drawing?
Does it make sense to you?
Forget that bit...of course it will make sense to you...you're a scientists, aren't you.


Yes; it's an actual photographic image taken from one of the US space shuttles.

I don't understand precisely the science behind the image, but I do understand what it's representing—which is tiny particles floating in the vacuum of space.

And no;  I'm not a scientist by any definition of the word!  I'm just an average guy interested in what makes our planet tick.
So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?

Why does the kind of camera matter?
Are you kidding me, or what?
I've just been shown a picture of something that looks like (wasn't described) whatever it's supposed to be.
Now I'm assuming, it's supposed to be scattered particles of matter and if so, what camera was used from the so called SPACE SHUTTLE to actually get this picture.

That, my friend, is an image taken by a scanning electron microscope.


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« Reply #246 on: January 02, 2014, 08:04:17 AM »

Is this a photo or an image drawing?
Does it make sense to you?
Forget that bit...of course it will make sense to you...you're a scientists, aren't you.


Yes; it's an actual photographic image taken from one of the US space shuttles.

I don't understand precisely the science behind the image, but I do understand what it's representing—which is tiny particles floating in the vacuum of space.

And no;  I'm not a scientist by any definition of the word!  I'm just an average guy interested in what makes our planet tick.
So what kind of camera did they use to take this from the so called space shuttle?

Why does the kind of camera matter?
Are you kidding me, or what?
I've just been shown a picture of something that looks like (wasn't described) whatever it's supposed to be.
Now I'm assuming, it's supposed to be scattered particles of matter and if so, what camera was used from the so called SPACE SHUTTLE to actually get this picture.

That, my friend, is an image taken by a scanning electron microscope.
Ok. Now can you tell me what that is or show me what it is and how it was deployed from the shuttle to capture this image?

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« Reply #247 on: January 02, 2014, 08:54:20 AM »
Ok. Now can you tell me what that is or show me what it is and how it was deployed from the shuttle to capture this image?

what what is?

What a scanning electron microscope is?

no. I can't.

Do you know why?

Because I would never attempt to do so to a 4 year old, I'd just tell them it was a camera and that's the level of explanation you always require. This is beyond you.

EDIT: also because at the end of 3 pages of repeated explanation you'll say it's a loaf of made up gobbledegook and means nothing/i need my mind checked.

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« Reply #248 on: January 02, 2014, 09:12:58 AM »
Ok. Now can you tell me what that is or show me what it is and how it was deployed from the shuttle to capture this image?

what what is?

What a scanning electron microscope is?

no. I can't.

Do you know why?

Because I would never attempt to do so to a 4 year old, I'd just tell them it was a camera and that's the level of explanation you always require. This is beyond you.

EDIT: also because at the end of 3 pages of repeated explanation you'll say it's a loaf of made up gobbledegook and means nothing/i need my mind checked.
That's fair enough. That's your prerogative.

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« Reply #249 on: January 02, 2014, 09:28:28 AM »

Did Donald Brownlee  take this picture or did someone else take it. And why is there no info on the camera that was used?


I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time to answer all your very basic questions.  I'm more than happy to give you a starting point, but you really need to do a bit more homework yourself.

And again; why in particular are you so interested in the type of camera used?  I've already told you I have no idea FFS.

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« Reply #250 on: January 02, 2014, 09:30:42 AM »

Did Donald Brownlee  take this picture or did someone else take it. And why is there no info on the camera that was used?


I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time to answer all your very basic questions.  I'm more than happy to give you a starting point, but you really need to do a bit more homework yourself.

And again; why in particular are you so interested in the type of camera used?  I've already told you I have no idea FFS.
Then stop fretting over it. Just ignore my posts that you don't want to reply to. I'm easy with it.

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« Reply #251 on: January 02, 2014, 09:42:17 AM »

Now can you tell me what that is or show me what it is and how it was deployed from the shuttle to capture this image?


Is there any particular reason you never do any of your own research on these sorts of topics?  Are you not competent searching Google or Wikipedia, or are you just lazy?  You seem to repeatedly expect everybody else here to do your research for you—even the very basic stuff like checking out an electron microscope.

Two lousy clicks brings up this image:


I assume that a gas sample collected outside of the shuttle by a mechanical arm or robot was introduced into the scanner.

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« Reply #252 on: January 02, 2014, 09:52:04 AM »

Now can you tell me what that is or show me what it is and how it was deployed from the shuttle to capture this image?


Is there any particular reason you never do any of your own research on these sorts of topics?  Are you not competent searching Google or Wikipedia, or are you just lazy?  You seem to repeatedly expect everybody else here to do your research for you—even the very basic stuff like checking out an electron microscope.

Two lousy clicks brings up this image:


I assume that a gas sample collected outside of the shuttle by a mechanical arm or robot was introduced into the scanner.
Ok, so how was a gas sample that was supposedly taken in space, extracted from that space?
I assume that this electron microscope is a magical vacuum to be able to get the sample into it to get back into the shuttle and stay under vacuum.

Can anyone explain this as if baffles the hell out of me.
I mean It wouldn't baffle me if I used logic, such as, it's all a complete load of crap and is a made up load of bull crap, but I'm willing to find out if the explanations can prove me wrong.

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« Reply #253 on: January 02, 2014, 10:07:54 AM »

I mean It wouldn't baffle me if I used logic, such as, it's all a complete load of crap and is a made up load of bull crap, but I'm willing to find out if the explanations can prove me wrong.


I'm afraid I only have a very rudimentary idea of how an electron microscope works, so I can't help you there.

I do note that you seem to have a preconceived idea that this particular branch of science is not legitimate?  You claim it's all "crap".

But... the point you're missing my friend is that it's not up to us—the proponents of this science—to disprove that your scenario as the correct one, but up to you to prove ours is (allegedly) bullshit.

Your understanding of basic logic is also obviously wanting.  Have you ever won any single debate in your life?  You seem to cling desperately to the old  "bullshit baffles brains" adage LOL.

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« Reply #254 on: January 02, 2014, 10:11:00 AM »

I mean It wouldn't baffle me if I used logic, such as, it's all a complete load of crap and is a made up load of bull crap, but I'm willing to find out if the explanations can prove me wrong.


I'm afraid I only have a very rudimentary idea of how an electron microscope works, so I can't help you there.

I do note that you seem to have a preconceived idea that this particular branch of science is not legitimate?  You claim it's all "crap".

But... the point you're missing my friend is that it's not up to us—the proponents of this science—to disprove that your scenario as the correct one, but up to you to prove ours is (allegedly) bullshit.

Your understanding of basic logic is also obviously wanting.  Have you ever won any single debate in your life?  You seem to cling desperately to the old  "bullshit baffles brains" adage LOL.
A debate against mainstream science will never be won unless mainstream science allow it to happen for a purpose.

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« Reply #255 on: January 02, 2014, 12:01:09 PM »
Ok, so how was a gas sample that was supposedly taken in space, extracted from that space?

same way you'd do it on earth one imagines.

I assume that this electron microscope is a magical vacuum to be able to get the sample into it to get back into the shuttle and stay under vacuum.

I doubt the camera was also the collection apparatus. They probably had a container of some sort on a robotic arm, or indeed a human arm.


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« Reply #256 on: January 02, 2014, 12:14:56 PM »
Ok, so how was a gas sample that was supposedly taken in space, extracted from that space?

same way you'd do it on earth one imagines.

I assume that this electron microscope is a magical vacuum to be able to get the sample into it to get back into the shuttle and stay under vacuum.

I doubt the camera was also the collection apparatus. They probably had a container of some sort on a robotic arm, or indeed a human arm.
So let me get this straight.

They open a container in space and gather this gas that's somehow floating about for some reason, then they shut the container and bring it inside the shuttle where the container immediately turns into a vacuum chamber as soon as the air lock is activated, wherever that is on a shuttle.
And then they look into the chamber with an electron microscope where they take that picture  that was shown.
Yeah that all sounds feasible. About as feasible as show jumping on a unicorn.

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« Reply #257 on: January 02, 2014, 12:50:27 PM »
Ok, so how was a gas sample that was supposedly taken in space, extracted from that space?

same way you'd do it on earth one imagines.

I assume that this electron microscope is a magical vacuum to be able to get the sample into it to get back into the shuttle and stay under vacuum.

I doubt the camera was also the collection apparatus. They probably had a container of some sort on a robotic arm, or indeed a human arm.
So let me get this straight.

They open a container in space and gather this gas that's somehow floating about for some reason, then they shut the container and bring it inside the shuttle where the container immediately turns into a vacuum chamber as soon as the air lock is activated, wherever that is on a shuttle.
And then they look into the chamber with an electron microscope where they take that picture  that was shown.
Yeah that all sounds feasible. About as feasible as show jumping on a unicorn.

well you don't believe in space so of course you don't believe any of it.

I could have told you anything and you'd have said that (In fact I DID tell you anything I have no idea how they'd go about it, In my head it's a bit like catching tadpoles with jam jars).

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« Reply #258 on: January 03, 2014, 06:03:16 AM »
Ok, so how was a gas sample that was supposedly taken in space, extracted from that space?

same way you'd do it on earth one imagines.

I assume that this electron microscope is a magical vacuum to be able to get the sample into it to get back into the shuttle and stay under vacuum.

I doubt the camera was also the collection apparatus. They probably had a container of some sort on a robotic arm, or indeed a human arm.
So let me get this straight.

They open a container in space and gather this gas that's somehow floating about for some reason, then they shut the container and bring it inside the shuttle where the container immediately turns into a vacuum chamber as soon as the air lock is activated, wherever that is on a shuttle.
And then they look into the chamber with an electron microscope where they take that picture  that was shown.
Yeah that all sounds feasible. About as feasible as show jumping on a unicorn.

well you don't believe in space so of course you don't believe any of it.

I could have told you anything and you'd have said that (In fact I DID tell you anything I have no idea how they'd go about it, In my head it's a bit like catching tadpoles with jam jars).
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.

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« Reply #259 on: January 03, 2014, 06:06:28 AM »
You have hardly Made any coherent explanation of how space is fake.

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« Reply #260 on: January 03, 2014, 06:11:19 AM »
You have hardly Made any coherent explanation of how space is fake.
Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

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« Reply #261 on: January 03, 2014, 06:29:34 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?

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« Reply #262 on: January 03, 2014, 07:29:49 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

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« Reply #263 on: January 03, 2014, 07:46:09 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.

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« Reply #264 on: January 03, 2014, 07:48:20 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

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« Reply #265 on: January 03, 2014, 07:51:59 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

Does the surface of a sphere (or shape of your choice) end or is that infinite?

Or perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive?


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« Reply #266 on: January 03, 2014, 07:59:57 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

Does the surface of a sphere (or shape of your choice) end or is that infinite?

Or perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive?
If you were to walk around it, you can walk around it until you die. If you build a brick wall before you set off     around it, then you will come back to the other side of the brick wall, knowing that you set off from the other side, so in effect your end is where you marked.

So anyway, about your universe. Where does it end or does it actually end or is it infinite?

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« Reply #267 on: January 03, 2014, 08:09:33 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

Does the surface of a sphere (or shape of your choice) end or is that infinite?

Or perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive?
If you were to walk around it, you can walk around it until you die. If you build a brick wall before you set off     around it, then you will come back to the other side of the brick wall, knowing that you set off from the other side, so in effect your end is where you marked.

So anyway, about your universe. Where does it end or does it actually end or is it infinite?

you just answered your second paragraph with your first.


(well, possibly. It's A theory anyway. Just as good as any of the others in my mind.)

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« Reply #268 on: January 03, 2014, 08:27:55 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

Hopefully you understand that giving an opinion about whether the universe is infinite or not is simply that, an opinion. There are a few possible scenario's for what is beyond humanity's observable universe and it is fair enough for an individual to provide insight on why they think one way or the other. I hope you don't equate your theories about this to be on equal footing with the type of opinion I just described because you just completely throw the things we actually do know out the window.

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« Reply #269 on: January 03, 2014, 08:38:31 AM »
I think you know why it's impossible now after I explained that space does not exist.
You're confusing explained with stated again.

Like I said why bother asking about cameras and microscopes, and collection methods when If we told you all of that was going on on the surface of the planet you wouldn't question it, Your issue is space, and no matter what any of our answers it comes back to whatever we say must be rubbish because you don't believe in space.

Space isn't fake. It does not exist and I have explained it very well.

I'll tell you what. You tell me where your universe ends.
Tell me where the end of the universe is or can it end and explain why with whatever you decide, then I'll explain my thoughts.

where does the surface of a seamless sphere end?
Who's talking about a seamless sphere?
Is your universe a seamless sphere?

Not precisely no, I'm not sure of the exact shape since there's no way to currently check nor could I claim I know there's no seams.

But then I'm talking about the surface of the sphere only, the shape doesn't really matter.
So does your universe end or is it infinite?
Whichever answer you give, can you tell me why you believe it to be so.

Hopefully you understand that giving an opinion about whether the universe is infinite or not is simply that, an opinion. There are a few possible scenario's for what is beyond humanity's observable universe and it is fair enough for an individual to provide insight on why they think one way or the other. I hope you don't equate your theories about this to be on equal footing with the type of opinion I just described because you just completely throw the things we actually do know out the window.
I only throw out of the window, the things that I know to be bull crap. Anything else that is possible, I reserve judgement on in terms of calling it bull crap.