GPS

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 02:42:43 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 02:40:48 PM

A kid can't make a roast dinner or a quad core processor for my computer. does that mean its not real? Some things in life require more than a 2 year olds level of understanding. All the things I posted thier can independently verify the existence of satilites let alone once they are combined.

Are you deliberately spelling like a two year old on purpose or are you getting frustrated or are you drunk?

so no answer then?

Answer to what? I'm getting side tracked by your child like spelling.

That's funny. We all get side tracked by you child like comprehension.
Any rebuttal to the various ways you can inderpendantly verify satellites that I provided you wih?

That's funny. We all get side tracked by you child like comprehension.
Any rebuttal to the various ways you can inderpendantly verify satellites that I provided you wih?

I'm still waiting for you to show me how you verify where your signal is coming from, as in, describe what YOU do to verify it.

Recive a signaal from a satilite as it passes over head. Measure the Doppler shift in the signal you recive as it passes over head. Take the data and work out its speed. Speed will be in the thousands of mph depending on altitude and direction. Sustained speeds of which are not possible within an atmosphere.

Recive a signaal from a satilite as it passes over head. Measure the Doppler shift in the signal you recive as it passes over head. Take the data and work out its speed. Speed will be in the thousands of mph depending on altitude and direction. Sustained speeds of which are not possible within an atmosphere.

So, let me get this straight. You go outside with an aerial on your head, or something like that, or maybe you aim it like a gun. You spot a dot whizzing through space and you aim your little aerial at it and follow it until you get a signal back, then you press stop on your super stop watch.
Am I right or have I simplified this a little too much? if so, explain where I might have went wrong.

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 28, 2013, 02:12:42 PM

I love how the ability to determine the exact direction a satellite signal is coming from is just being ignored. It's really easy to do, so easy that a child could do it, and there's just no way the signal direction could be replicated by a ground-based source.

Come on then Mr clever, tell me how you know where the signal is coming from and by what means so a kid can do it.

As Pythagoras said, directional antennae can be used, but if you want something that a kid could do, just get a large piece of foil (other materials may also work, some experimentation would be educational) and use it to block the signal. This is what i meant when I said a kid could do it: use a piece of foil to block the signal, then line up the receiver and the foil and see where that line goes. 10 times out of 10, it'll go to the sky. So simple a child could do it...

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Yes it does. One of just a few ways of  independently
verifying it yourself. It's not my fault you refuse to find things out for yourself and only accept 3rd party information.

Yes it does. One of just a few ways of  independently
verifying it yourself. It's not my fault you refuse to find things out for yourself and only accept 3rd party information.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with what you believe. I mean, we all believe in what we believe in all walks of life and in all shapes and forms.

Let me put things into perspective though.
I don't believe in a god. That's not to say that there is no god/s..it just means that I have seen nothing to indicate that there is a god and I have had no happenings in my life that I could put down to a god.
I have not read the bible in any form but I have watched films and seen statues of what people say are their gods. I've also seen films depicting gods.
Does this mean that I'm ignorant of gods?
Maybe so.
Does it mean that I'm uneducated about gods?
Quite possibly.
Does it still prove to me that there is a god or gods and my lack of education on gods has stopped me embracing a religion?
Maybe.

What if I read all bibles from start to finish and then read them again and again to the point where I can actually bring up any verse when asked about them... would this mean that I have found gods and now I have to choose which one is the correct one, or maybe I can choose all of them.
Does this mean that I am now an expert on these gods and I have the authority to tell people that these gods are real because I've revised it all, so it must be true?

This is your science and you are taught ONE way, in your place, which is the way of the lecture at your place. If you stand up and tell your lecturer that you also subscribe to an alternate science that is lectured in another country, you will be ridiculed and possibly thrown out.

So, in a nutshell, you can read up as many science books from your university and absorb it all over and over, plus be lectured on it all and you could be no further forward  in many aspects (especially the earth shape and space) than someone who decided to think with a clear and alternative mindset.

Argue that if you want, but it's the truth.
I know this has jumped a little from GPS but I was in the mode so I went for it.

Off topic much? You seam to forget that. A lot of scientists and mathematicians are self taught and arive at the same conclusions inderpendantly. But maby you should start a thread up for that. After all this is about GPS.

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

Off topic much? You seam to forget that. A lot of scientists and mathematicians are self taught and arive at the same conclusions inderpendantly. But maby you should start a thread up for that. After all this is about GPS.

Yes it's about GPS, that's why I said it was off topic. Go and tell the teacher if it bothers you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

I don't go driving about looking for them, do you?

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:34:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

I don't go driving about looking for them, do you?

There should be a list somewhere, if it really works as you say.   Any documentation on technical details, other than what is about the satellite system?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:40:23 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:34:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

I don't go driving about looking for them, do you?

There should be a list somewhere, if it really works as you say.   Any documentation on technical details, other than what is about the satellite system?

Why would there be a list if they are cloaking satellite signals. They are not going to say, " cooey, here's a list of the transmitters that we use to pretend that satellites are what guides you all around the country."

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:45:21 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:40:23 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:34:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

I don't go driving about looking for them, do you?

There should be a list somewhere, if it really works as you say.   Any documentation on technical details, other than what is about the satellite system?

Why would there be a list if they are cloaking satellite signals. They are not going to say, " cooey, here's a list of the transmitters that we use to pretend that satellites are what guides you all around the country."

The specification for GPS will explain how it works for receiver manufacturers.  Are you claiming that all the people in the industry are signed up to this scam about how it works?  What do all the people who claim to work in the satellite industry actually do every day?  All the academic papers on the subject are not true?

And still nobody, even Wikileaks, explains what is going on.  Across all the countries in the world.

Are you claiming that all the people in the industry are signed up to this scam about how it works?

When confronted with viable scientific evidence that refutes their bizarre claims, FEs invariably claim that this is exactly what IS happening.  These "conspiracy" claims are one of their most common defences.  All too easy LOL.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:50:02 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:45:21 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:40:23 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 28, 2013, 03:34:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 28, 2013, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM

You can do it by hand if you want. That's a hard way to do it but yeah. And no you measure the  shift in frequency as it passes over head. Very simple and enjoyable i that's what you are into.

And this verifies your satellite, does it?

Come on Thaggy, you know I'm not buying into that.

Please tell us some transmitter locations. For the russian, american or european systems.

I don't go driving about looking for them, do you?

There should be a list somewhere, if it really works as you say.   Any documentation on technical details, other than what is about the satellite system?

Why would there be a list if they are cloaking satellite signals. They are not going to say, " cooey, here's a list of the transmitters that we use to pretend that satellites are what guides you all around the country."

The specification for GPS will explain how it works for receiver manufacturers.  Are you claiming that all the people in the industry are signed up to this scam about how it works?  What do all the people who claim to work in the satellite industry actually do every day?  All the academic papers on the subject are not true?

And still nobody, even Wikileaks, explains what is going on.  Across all the countries in the world.

Massive world coverup I tell you.

It's impossible especially with the information highway's state today. Geostationary orbits for satellite TV is pretty solid proof of satellites existence seeing that for a single service the entire continents satellite dishes are pointing in the same direction high up in the sky towards something magical 35790 km above the equator. I doubt that there is a building that high with some kind of a transmitter attached to the top. Ever installed a dish? It's simple, move it 0.2 deg off in any direction and you get terrible reception or no signal at all.

Massive world coverup I tell you.

It's impossible especially with the information highway's state today. Geostationary orbits for satellite TV is pretty solid proof of satellites existence seeing that for a single service the entire continents satellite dishes are pointing in the same direction high up in the sky towards something magical 35790 km above the equator. I doubt that there is a building that high with some kind of a transmitter attached to the top. Ever installed a dish? It's simple, move it 0.2 deg off in any direction and you get terrible reception or no signal at all.

Don't forget how heavy clouds can knock satellite tv out.  Fe'er can only sit and deny, nothing more.

Quote from: Moosedrool on December 29, 2013, 08:11:11 AM

Massive world coverup I tell you.

It's impossible especially with the information highway's state today. Geostationary orbits for satellite TV is pretty solid proof of satellites existence seeing that for a single service the entire continents satellite dishes are pointing in the same direction high up in the sky towards something magical 35790 km above the equator. I doubt that there is a building that high with some kind of a transmitter attached to the top. Ever installed a dish? It's simple, move it 0.2 deg off in any direction and you get terrible reception or no signal at all.

Don't forget how heavy clouds can knock satellite tv out.  Fe'er can only sit and deny, nothing more.

Of course heavy clouds can knock so called satellite tv out, depending on where the bounce occurs from the atmosphere from whatever transmitter.
Rainfall interferes with your dish receiver.

Quote from: sokarul on December 29, 2013, 08:54:24 AM

Quote from: Moosedrool on December 29, 2013, 08:11:11 AM

Massive world coverup I tell you.

It's impossible especially with the information highway's state today. Geostationary orbits for satellite TV is pretty solid proof of satellites existence seeing that for a single service the entire continents satellite dishes are pointing in the same direction high up in the sky towards something magical 35790 km above the equator. I doubt that there is a building that high with some kind of a transmitter attached to the top. Ever installed a dish? It's simple, move it 0.2 deg off in any direction and you get terrible reception or no signal at all.

Don't forget how heavy clouds can knock satellite tv out.  Fe'er can only sit and deny, nothing more.

Of course heavy clouds can knock so called satellite tv out, depending on where the bounce occurs from the atmosphere from whatever transmitter.
Rainfall interferes with your dish receiver.

Atmospheric bounce cannot explain everything that is seen. People would notice.

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 29, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

2 subjects here.

GPS uses satellites in low orbits which a receiver shows as moving across the sky.  Some here say it uses transmitters on masts but cannot identify where these are and why receivers show moving satellites.  Also there are no masts in the centre of the oceans.

Satellite TV uses satellites in an orbit over the equator that appear stationary.  Dishes have to be accurately pointed and the angle from different places shows where the location of the satellite is.  Each satellite has a number of beams for different coverage areas so makes a theory of bounced signals incorrect.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 11:32:50 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 29, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

2 subjects here.

GPS uses satellites in low orbits which a receiver shows as moving across the sky.  Some here say it uses transmitters on masts but cannot identify where these are and why receivers show moving satellites.  Also there are no masts in the centre of the oceans.

Satellite TV uses satellites in an orbit over the equator that appear stationary.  Dishes have to be accurately pointed and the angle from different places shows where the location of the satellite is.  Each satellite has a number of beams for different coverage areas so makes a theory of bounced signals incorrect.

Like I said. Who is talking about bounced signals for so called satellite TV?
It's relays.

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 11:32:50 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 29, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

2 subjects here.

GPS uses satellites in low orbits which a receiver shows as moving across the sky.  Some here say it uses transmitters on masts but cannot identify where these are and why receivers show moving satellites.  Also there are no masts in the centre of the oceans.

Satellite TV uses satellites in an orbit over the equator that appear stationary.  Dishes have to be accurately pointed and the angle from different places shows where the location of the satellite is.  Each satellite has a number of beams for different coverage areas so makes a theory of bounced signals incorrect.

Like I said. Who is talking about bounced signals for so called satellite TV?
It's relays.

What do you mean by 'relays' and where are they?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 12:05:37 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 11:32:50 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 29, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

2 subjects here.

GPS uses satellites in low orbits which a receiver shows as moving across the sky.  Some here say it uses transmitters on masts but cannot identify where these are and why receivers show moving satellites.  Also there are no masts in the centre of the oceans.

Satellite TV uses satellites in an orbit over the equator that appear stationary.  Dishes have to be accurately pointed and the angle from different places shows where the location of the satellite is.  Each satellite has a number of beams for different coverage areas so makes a theory of bounced signals incorrect.

Like I said. Who is talking about bounced signals for so called satellite TV?
It's relays.

What do you mean by 'relays' and where are they?

In kids terms. You sit in your circle of kids and you pass on a message and the kid passes that on around the circle of kids until it reaches it's destination.
Just a simplified way of telling you what happens.

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2013, 12:32:39 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 12:05:37 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2013, 11:32:50 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 29, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

If the signal were being bounced off something as inconsistent as the ionosphere, a 1° movement of the dish would not affect your reception. Also, a light aircraft flying through the path of the signal would not interrupt it. (I used to live near an airport, and every so often a plane in the circuit would pass in line with my dish, blocking the signal for a split second.)

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

2 subjects here.

GPS uses satellites in low orbits which a receiver shows as moving across the sky.  Some here say it uses transmitters on masts but cannot identify where these are and why receivers show moving satellites.  Also there are no masts in the centre of the oceans.

Satellite TV uses satellites in an orbit over the equator that appear stationary.  Dishes have to be accurately pointed and the angle from different places shows where the location of the satellite is.  Each satellite has a number of beams for different coverage areas so makes a theory of bounced signals incorrect.

Like I said. Who is talking about bounced signals for so called satellite TV?
It's relays.

What do you mean by 'relays' and where are they?

In kids terms. You sit in your circle of kids and you pass on a message and the kid passes that on around the circle of kids until it reaches it's destination.
Just a simplified way of telling you what happens.

More technical detail please.  Dishes do not point to land based masts.

Who's talking about bounced signals for dishes?

Of course heavy clouds can knock so called satellite tv out, depending on where the bounce occurs from the atmosphere from whatever transmitter.
Rainfall interferes with your dish receiver.

You were.

There's still the matter of being able to block the signal and thereby determine what direction it comes from, and like I said earlier, 10 times out of 10 it's going to be coming from the sky, and I don't see any masts/relays/whatever that tall anywhere.