What evidence would it take for you to believe the Earth is round?

Hope you read that as it took me some time to type

I read it, then I turned my monitor upside down and read it again.

It didn't help.

Quote from: Scintific Method on December 18, 2013, 06:51:39 PM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 18, 2013, 03:48:50 PM

No it's flat and rectangular (with also a flat and rectangular sky) but connected to itself ad infinitum.

That's so very nearly a great explanation! Still a few things that need to be covered though, such as sunrises/sunsets; north/south movement of sunrise/sunset over the year, and the fact this movement is greater at higher latitudes, to the point where midnight sun occurs at very high latitudes (>76° both north and south); the increase of visible area with increasing altitude (ie you can see further if you go higher) with a distinct horizon; tides; the celestial 'sphere'; etc...

NB: I have mentioned these specifically because, in the 9 months I've been here, I have not seen a satisfactory FE explanation for any of them.

Ah yeah. The Answer is pretty easy to those as well. Each Corner of the World has 90 portals connecting to the equal and opposite portals even light enters the portals so if you get close to them all you can tell them by is slight magnetic disturbance where everything crosses together. Each Portal can reach up to 66% of Earth and the Sun can trip up to 66% of the Portals at one time. Midnight Sun happens due to the Sun never deactivating these portals so light continually shines through it. The Sun itself is always at the Apex of the active Portals. The Moon itself is also Flat but during full moon 66% of the Moon is illuminated so it appears circular as the Sun is not capable of illuminating any body more then 66% at any given time.

You can see higher when you go higher because Sunlight increases in optical size (but decreases in heat) because you are effectively getting closer to the light transformer that we call the Sun. The Sun is a high powered light transmitter that emits Seven times the light from the Low Powered light conductor called the Moon so while the Moon Emits about 20 Lux, the Sun Emits about 80,000 Lux. The Sun works Kinetically with the Moon to Amplify it's own power as by itself it would only be capable of Illuminating about 50% of the Earth.

Tides are caused by Both the Sun and Moon. As the Sun and Moon are both Conductive in nature Water tries to flow to them. High Tide is caused by the Moon and Low Tide is caused by the Sun. Most of the time there is Two High Tides and Two low tides per day. There is two per day as The Sun attracts when it is closer then 66% and repels when it is further then 33% this typically occurs at Sunset and Sunrise and Moonset and Moonrise.

The Celestial Sphere likewise has a simple explanation. The Sun is magnetically repealed by the 11 World Vertices However the Sun is also consuming the Vertices at the same time when it get's close to them thus their power is drained but the others are charged once the lower 6 get drained the high 5 pull the Sun to them and they are drained and the others recharge. Thus the Sun can only drain 5 or 6 Vertices at the same time while the others charge and this happens over and over again. However the Vertices are slowly getting damaged and their restraining power is getting weaker every year which means the Sun's Orbital Radius is increasing by about 1 degree every 72 years and indeed the Sun is directly causing the Earth to become slightly hotter with each passing year as Hydrogen increased it's conductivity and it's constantly increasing the Cycle. Weather is explained the same way, Cold Air is denser then Hot Air and moves slower thus when the Sun is moving to the South it pushes warmer southern air to the north so the north stays hotter then when the Sun reverses it's direction and starts moving to the North when the Northern cold air pulls into the Sun.

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You lost me at portals, magic and science aint the same thing. are you talking about like really small worm holes?  anyways, you realize if the earth was flat, and the sun was directly above it, it would be visible during day and during night(at night it might look like a star because it's further away) but stars are hella further than the sun is...and we can see them.



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this diagram shows how the sun should still be visible(light travels really fast, we see lights in the sky millions of light years away. the sun aint that far so it wouldn't be that hard to see.

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

Well of course a round earth is non euclidian but a flat earth IS euclidian.
Thats the point.

So if the earth is flat, where's the accurate map?

Unless you're saying your idea of a flat earth is one that's flat but wrapped round a globey shape because I believe that's called OSET



(Oblate Spheroid Earth theory)

I'm saying the point is not well founded because the flat earth is non-euclidean.

Quote from: Username on December 18, 2013, 08:25:05 AM

Of course. It would be equivalent mathematically to any round earth map, so one can simply use the round earth maps which are also representations of the same abstracts; to be fair most cartography was developed by the Flat Earth Society.

well which projection would you use?

There are multiple attempts to display our earth on a flat plane and they all look a little different.

The authors of said maps claim this is because you can't accurately portray a round earth on a flat surface but I'd be intrigued to know which one you'd take as accurate.

I still want to know what a bipolar pangaea is when you've got a second.

I would use whatever projection is most efficient for the task at hand.

Its the theory that the continents shifted to form a supercontinent. There are two possible histories of this which I hold are superimposed.  The continents fit in the traditional manner, across the Atlantic as well as across the Pacific. This has been predicted by expanding earth theory as well, though it seems more cohesive in my work.

I'm saying the point is not well founded because the flat earth is non-euclidean.

In what respect.


If i was to draw an imaginary triangle between 3 cities that were at the same height above sea level, how would said triangle differ from what Euclidean geometry would predict?

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

The Sun does not circle the top of Earth. It goes to one side and appears on the other side via the Portals connecting both Sides together. When it enters into the Portal it's light is enhanced and it more quickly falls to Earth bringing it's view spectrum to be on the Horizon.

Air Planes aren't quite big enough to give the same effect as they fade before this effect occurs.

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:22:37 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

The Sun does not circle the top of Earth. It goes to one side and appears on the other side via the Portals connecting both Sides together. When it enters into the Portal it's light is enhanced and it more quickly falls to Earth bringing it's view spectrum to be on the Horizon.

Air Planes aren't quite big enough to give the same effect as they fade before this effect occurs.

Portals don't exist, I hate to break it to you but that is not science fact, it is fiction. the closest thing we have to a portal is a worm hole, and they don't work the same.

Definition of portal: A magical or technological doorway that connects two different locations, dimensions, or points in time;

notice it says MAGICAL magic aint science lets talk physics or calculus, not fantasy. you can't prove your arguments with proof that doesn't exist.

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 08:27:51 AM

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:22:37 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

The Sun does not circle the top of Earth. It goes to one side and appears on the other side via the Portals connecting both Sides together. When it enters into the Portal it's light is enhanced and it more quickly falls to Earth bringing it's view spectrum to be on the Horizon.

Air Planes aren't quite big enough to give the same effect as they fade before this effect occurs.

Portals don't exist, I hate to break it to you but that is not science fact, it is fiction. the closest thing we have to a portal is a worm hole, and they don't work the same.

Definition of portal: A magical or technological doorway that connects two different locations, dimensions, or points in time;

notice it says MAGICAL magic aint science lets talk physics or calculus, not fantasy. you can't prove your arguments with proof that doesn't exist.

They do exist. This photo explains how they work.

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:51:59 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 08:27:51 AM

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:22:37 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

The Sun does not circle the top of Earth. It goes to one side and appears on the other side via the Portals connecting both Sides together. When it enters into the Portal it's light is enhanced and it more quickly falls to Earth bringing it's view spectrum to be on the Horizon.

Air Planes aren't quite big enough to give the same effect as they fade before this effect occurs.

Portals don't exist, I hate to break it to you but that is not science fact, it is fiction. the closest thing we have to a portal is a worm hole, and they don't work the same.

Definition of portal: A magical or technological doorway that connects two different locations, dimensions, or points in time;

notice it says MAGICAL magic aint science lets talk physics or calculus, not fantasy. you can't prove your arguments with proof that doesn't exist.

They do exist. This photo explains how they work.

Nice little picture you drew in paint, I'm not impressed nor does this mean anything to me. It doesn't prove portals exist. do you know what would prove portals exist a repeatable experiment with results and a chart with a set of data point. you go get that. I'll be waiting.

or you could give it to me in mathematical terms. can you mathematically prove portals work?

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:51:59 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 08:27:51 AM

Quote from: Romrot on December 19, 2013, 08:22:37 AM

Quote from: Sculelos on December 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM

The Sun actually does turn into a Star at night time and always appears at the equal and opposite side that the Sun sets in so yeah the Sun is actually getting further away from us at Sunset and Sunrise yet it looks to be getting closer and closer as optical bending does some strange stuff when rectangles bend into circles. The Moon does the same thing but it's much harder to notice due to the irregularity of the Moons orbit. (I'd also like to point out that the Sun appears larger at Sunset and Sunrise this is due to increased distance as the Sun appears to increase in Size the Further it gets from Earth which is why the Sun appears larger in Winter and Smaller in Summer)

You failed geometry didn't you. if the sun circled around the top of the earth it would just get smaller in the sky, it would not rise and set in the horizon. Watch an airplane, when it leave your sight it does not do it in the horizon, it does it in the sky.

The Sun does not circle the top of Earth. It goes to one side and appears on the other side via the Portals connecting both Sides together. When it enters into the Portal it's light is enhanced and it more quickly falls to Earth bringing it's view spectrum to be on the Horizon.

Air Planes aren't quite big enough to give the same effect as they fade before this effect occurs.

Portals don't exist, I hate to break it to you but that is not science fact, it is fiction. the closest thing we have to a portal is a worm hole, and they don't work the same.

Definition of portal: A magical or technological doorway that connects two different locations, dimensions, or points in time;

notice it says MAGICAL magic aint science lets talk physics or calculus, not fantasy. you can't prove your arguments with proof that doesn't exist.

They do exist. This photo explains how they work.

wait... this looks like a worm hole... worm holes are not portals. worm holes are basically tubes that take things in and pull them through very quickly. Worm holes are only hypothical but they are more science fact than portals which have no scientific basis.

as I said give it to me in mathematical terms

If you need math take this into consideration.

EMXYZMEZYX 



 

If you need math take this into consideration.

EMXYZMEZYX

E²M²X²Y²Z²? da fuq?

what does it mean? you gave a line of veriables. this isn't an equation let me explain to you this is an equation

Moment = (Moment arm)(Some Force) This means something, what you wrote it means nothing, ^ this is the equation for torque, what you wrote is something?

If you need math take this into consideration.

EMXYZMEZYX

x=(theta, phi) = (R + r cos phi) cos{theta}
y=(theta, phi) = (R + r cos phi) sin{theta}
z=(theta, phi) = r sin phi

This is the parametric equation for a hollow torus, the shape of the thing in your graph. maybe you can extrapolate for me?

Romrot, please don't post videos like that one in the upper fora. 

I moved it out of the way.

Thanks!

Romrot, please don't post videos like that one in the upper fora. 

I moved it out of the way.

Thanks!

Well then maybe you can give me mathematical proof that portals exist, I'm still waiting for it.

On the other hand :"What evidence would it take for you to believe the earth is Flat ?"

On the other hand :"What evidence would it take for you to believe the earth is Flat ?"

pictorial evidence, experiments with data charts, you also have to explain parallax, plate tectonics, nuclear fusion, black holes, equatorial circumnavigation, orbits, lunar phases, inverse square nature of light, the Candevish experiment, red and blue-shifting, and retrograde motion.


what evidence would convince you that the earth is a parabolic toroid? 

On the other hand :"What evidence would it take for you to believe the earth is Flat ?"

A coherent model that matches real-world observations would be a good place to start.

I split the nonsense out of this post. It's in CN if you're looking for it.

Quote from: Googleotomy on December 20, 2013, 11:34:39 AM

On the other hand :"What evidence would it take for you to believe the earth is Flat ?"

A coherent model that matches real-world observations would be a good place to start.

I've been looking for one of these for 9 months. Still haven't seen one...

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Quote from: Googleotomy on December 20, 2013, 11:34:39 AM

On the other hand :"What evidence would it take for you to believe the earth is Flat ?"

A coherent model that matches real-world observations would be a good place to start.

I've been looking for one of these for 9 months. Still haven't seen one...

I've been looking for one for over 5 years.  Don't hold your breath.

The fact as I know it is the Round Earth Community cannot agree on a single model.

This is totally incorrect.  Firstly, there is no "round earth community"—as there is a flat earth community.  100 percent of the world's contemporary scientists agree unequivocally on the spherical earth model, as do 99.999 percent of the general population.

Instead they either piecemeal together various unrelated theories to form a larger framework that is by nature different than any of the parts- not their sum -  or they create new ones to hope to address the current standing issues with the new model.

Can you please quote me a few of these alleged "unrelated theories" that geophysicists cobble together to form a non-cohesive whole?  I haven't read of any.

And this is a classic non sequitur:  "they create new ones to hope to address the current standing issues with the new model"  Again, can you please quote me a few of these current "standing issues", and also how the alleged "new" model differs from the old one?

The various model types even have submodels which are disagreed upon by different physicists.

And these alleged "submodels" are referenced where?  Can you list a couple of "different physicists" names—who you claim disagree on the spherical earth model?

Science, up to now at least, has been an art of abstraction and estimation. Theories and laws approximate realities, but only that.

Absolutely absurd on both counts!  Science is by definition the most accurate of all the "arts".  Science never speaks in abstract terms.  And its estimates are incredibly accurate—the Earth's standard acceleration due to gravity of g = 9.80665 m/s² should prove that.  Theories do not "approximate" realities.  Theories are based on peer-reviewed hypotheses which in turn are based on observable and replicable phenomena.  Or are you now going to claim that gravity isn't real?

The more one learns about Round Earth science the more one sees its true way - fragmented internally and externally.

Can you please explain what you mean by fragmented "internally" and "externally"?  This phrase doesn't make any sense to me.

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A good start to convincing us would be to develop a coherent model.

Couldn't the same be said to those that believe the world is flat?

I mean.........you guys can't even agree on a map.

I'm not really trying to convince anybody. Also note that Flat Earther's all agreeing on a model is not the same thing as all of us having a coherent model. The round earth community can't agree on a single model as well.

However, to cut it short, the evidence I require is non disputable proof that only fits one context - its own which is self coherent and externally coherent with experimental findings - from each fundamental type of knowledge. Obviously, I don't require such a context to have all its axioms proven, strictly speaking.

"The round earth community can't agree on a single model as well." <-------- funniest thing I've read on this ridiculous site..  What nonsense.

I don't know how you idiots look in the mirror, i sure as hell hope you don't breed.

The simple answer to this is, NOTHING.
I spent most of my life thinking it was a globe and I'm at the not so naive stage now, so there's absolutely nothing that can convince me that the earth is a globe, either rotating or stationary.
The reasons are very very simple.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It only makes sense when your brain is saturated into believing what  you are told to believe, not asked....TOLD.

To not be allowed to alternatively think and be ridiculed if you do alternatively think, by society, I think that alone should tell anyone that these things need to be questioned.

If I was backed into a corner and asked to name one thing that COULD, POSSIBLY sway me, I'd say viewing a rocket launch  with all the equipment necessary to personally see the rocket launch with real astronauts inside of it and for that rocket to be tracked PHYSICALLY, by me, right into space.

If I saw that, I would probably change my mind.
Will I ever get that chance? NOT A CHANCE!

"It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever." <------ I'd wager that the failing here lies with you, rather than the theory. The theory is very simple, but then again - so are you. Therein lies the problem.

The theory is proven, mathematically, visually & predictably by anyone who can add up.