questions for scepti

I would have to do a little computation here, but the difference between when your friend bangs the hammer and when you see him bang the hammer would probably be something in the nano-second or pico-second manner of time delay due to the speed of light.

At 200 meters the delay for the sound would be close to .6 seconds. (200/343)

The delay for the light would be .000000667 seconds (200/299792458)

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Quote from: jroa on November 25, 2013, 12:01:30 PM

Thank you, Googletommy, none of us know anything about physics except for you.  It is a good thing that you come here and educate us dumb arses every now and them.  We are for ever in your debt.

Thanks, jroa.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

In the words of "Colonel Pickering" in "My Fair Lady " I thought that "Train Whistle / Doppler  Effect" was "Common Knowledge."

But I thought that anyone who has ever had to wait at a grade crossing was well aware of the Doppler Effect on the train whistle. You can also hear this if you are riding on the train. The crossing belll goes
ding-ding-ding when you are appoaching and donnnng-donnnng-donnng when you have passed the crossing.

My apologies to sceptimatic, too. This is scepti's thread. It seems he aways asks for explanations in the simplest of terms and the train whistle/Doppler was the simplest I could come up . The explanation was for scepti.

Yes, I know what the Doppler effect is and it's fine with sound, to our perception with range, whether it's coming at us or receding.

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

Well, I have never heard that before.  Please continue to educate me.  About dongs and dings.   Thank the gods you are here.

Please keep low content out of the upper fora.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 26, 2013, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

I've just gave the cause.

Quote from: Rama Set on November 26, 2013, 12:09:28 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 26, 2013, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

I've just gave the cause.

No you didn't

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 01:06:57 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 26, 2013, 12:09:28 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 26, 2013, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

I've just gave the cause.

No you didn't

Yes I did. You wanted the cause of the change of pitch.
Well there is no change of pitch unless you use your ears. So the cause of the change of pitch to your PERCEPTION is your ear drum and hammer.
If you don't get this, then I can't help you.

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on November 27, 2013, 03:50:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 01:06:57 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 26, 2013, 12:09:28 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 26, 2013, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

I've just gave the cause.

No you didn't

Yes I did. You wanted the cause of the change of pitch.
Well there is no change of pitch unless you use your ears. So the cause of the change of pitch to your PERCEPTION is your ear drum and hammer.
If you don't get this, then I can't help you.

So your saying you ear drum and hammer are whats creating the sound and changing it's frequency?

Also, in you model, what causes meteorites.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 04:01:06 AM

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on November 27, 2013, 03:50:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 01:06:57 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 26, 2013, 12:09:28 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 26, 2013, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 26, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Hey Sceptimatic, what do you feel is the cause of the change of pitch in sound coming from an object that is approaching and then receding?

Your ear drums and hammer.

You should learn what a "cause" is.

I've just gave the cause.

No you didn't

Yes I did. You wanted the cause of the change of pitch.
Well there is no change of pitch unless you use your ears. So the cause of the change of pitch to your PERCEPTION is your ear drum and hammer.
If you don't get this, then I can't help you.

So your saying you ear drum and hammer are whats creating the sound and changing it's frequency?

Yes!

So basically you saying that when a train passes by you, it's not the train making sounds but it's actually your ears...

Also, in you model, what causes meteorites.

Two things.
The central sun ejects periodic debris in earth and also the ice dome drops icicles, periodically.
What you see as slow comets with tails, are icicles of helium/hydrogen interacting with the heavier gases below them, creating the tails but also creating the slow movement, due to the frozen gases being resisted by the heavier gases.
The central sun ejects debris which you will see as super fast shooting stars.

So basically you saying that when a train passes by you, it's not the train making sounds but it's actually your ears...

Yes! that's what I'm saying.

So how do your ears "know" the train is near and start making sounds. Also how do you explain things like the Chelyabins meteor.

So how do your ears "know" the train is near and start making sounds. Also how do you explain things like the Chelyabins meteor.

Vibrations. That's what makes the sound you hear, or I should say that's what makes your brain perceive.

How does the central sun eject debris. Why doesn't the debris burn up in the atmosphere while being ejected burn up before it exits the atmosphere. The Chelyabinsk meteor burned up while entering the atmosphere. It exploded in the upper part of the atmosphere were the air pressure was only at a fraction of what it is at sealevel. It was Travelling at an angle so it couldn't of been falling ice or it would of fallen straight down. That meteor doesn't match predictions. Also in you ideas all observed comets would eventually hit the earth.

How does the central sun eject debris. Why doesn't the debris burn up in the atmosphere while being ejected burn up before it exits the atmosphere. The Chelyabinsk meteor burned up while entering the atmosphere. It exploded in the upper part of the atmosphere were the air pressure was only at a fraction of what it is at sealevel. It was Travelling at an angle so it couldn't of been falling ice or it would of fallen straight down. That meteor doesn't match predictions. Also in you ideas all observed comets would eventually hit the earth.

Icicles, 99 times out of 100 will evaporate in the far upper atmosphere over time.
The central sun will have volcanoes around it, ejecting debris into the air and back down.
Just like a coal fire will spit hot fragments at you.

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on November 27, 2013, 05:19:07 AM

How does the central sun eject debris. Why doesn't the debris burn up in the atmosphere while being ejected burn up before it exits the atmosphere. The Chelyabinsk meteor burned up while entering the atmosphere. It exploded in the upper part of the atmosphere were the air pressure was only at a fraction of what it is at sealevel. It was Travelling at an angle so it couldn't of been falling ice or it would of fallen straight down. That meteor doesn't match predictions. Also in you ideas all observed comets would eventually hit the earth.

Icicles, 99 times out of 100 will evaporate in the far upper atmosphere over time.
The central sun will have volcanoes around it, ejecting debris into the air and back down.
Just like a coal fire will spit hot fragments at you.

Why have these volcanos not been found, how are they ejecting debris at speeds of over 10km/s.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:26:54 AM

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on November 27, 2013, 05:19:07 AM

How does the central sun eject debris. Why doesn't the debris burn up in the atmosphere while being ejected burn up before it exits the atmosphere. The Chelyabinsk meteor burned up while entering the atmosphere. It exploded in the upper part of the atmosphere were the air pressure was only at a fraction of what it is at sealevel. It was Travelling at an angle so it couldn't of been falling ice or it would of fallen straight down. That meteor doesn't match predictions. Also in you ideas all observed comets would eventually hit the earth.

Icicles, 99 times out of 100 will evaporate in the far upper atmosphere over time.
The central sun will have volcanoes around it, ejecting debris into the air and back down.
Just like a coal fire will spit hot fragments at you.

Why have these volcanos not been found, how are they ejecting debris at speeds of over 10km/s.

Where did you get the speed of 10 km/s?

That meteor in Russia was observed to be going at over 10km per second, also it exploded in the atmosphere. If it had been ejected by a volcano the atmosphere would of stopped it there. Also, why haven't these volcanos been discovered. Volcanos do not shoot ejecta for 1000's of kilometers the velocity needs to be in the multiple kilometers per second for that.

That meteor in Russia was observed to be going at over 10km per second, also it exploded in the atmosphere. If it had been ejected by a volcano the atmosphere would of stopped it there. Also, why haven't these volcanos been discovered. Volcanos do not shoot ejecta for 1000's of kilometers the velocity needs to be in the multiple kilometers per second for that.

Why haven't they been discovered?
The very same reason why the ice dome foundation will never be discovered.
Instant death for anyone who gets remotely close.
If you're thinking of a little north pole and believe it's all been conquered, then it's not surprising your stance will be to reject it out of hand.

Until you go on a mission yourself to see how far you would get, you will never know the real truth and even then you may not find it.

Are you saying the northern hemiplane is larger than what people are lead to believe too?

Are you saying the northern hemiplane is larger than what people are lead to believe too?

Yes!

Instant death from what? There are flights over the North Pole, the volcanos should be visible for well over a hundred kilometers. Why has there been no detected major tectonic activity there there no detect clouds of ash or earthquakes or anything like that.

Instant death from what? There are flights over the North Pole, the volcanos should be visible for well over a hundred kilometers. Why has there been no detected major tectonic activity there there no detect clouds of ash or earthquakes or anything like that.

There are no flights over the north pole. There may be flights skirting the edge, but not over it.

Quote from: squevil on November 27, 2013, 05:53:29 AM

Are you saying the northern hemiplane is larger than what people are lead to believe too?

Yes!

Ok cool well this can be easily verified online in the next hour. I imagine there are flights round the northern continents that vaguely follow the same longitude. If you connected the flights together and then worked out the distance using time x speed you can roughly see how big it is. Use some flight plans online dude and show us. Just use the average air speed. It wont be right but if you are correct the data should show that the earth is much bigger than we think it to be.
You seek the truth or you just make up stories? I will give you an hour or 2 to come back with evidence.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2013, 05:55:01 AM

Quote from: squevil on November 27, 2013, 05:53:29 AM

Are you saying the northern hemiplane is larger than what people are lead to believe too?

Yes!

Ok cool well this can be easily verified online in the next hour. I imagine there are flights round the northern continents that vaguely follow the same longitude. If you connected the flights together and then worked out the distance using time x speed you can roughly see how big it is. Use some flight plans online dude and show us. Just use the average air speed. It wont be right but if you are correct the data should show that the earth is much bigger than we think it to be.
You seek the truth or you just make up stories? I will give you an hour or 2 to come back with evidence.

Flight times prove nothing and will prove nothing about what you think the north pole is in terms of its size.

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on November 27, 2013, 05:56:16 AM

Instant death from what? There are flights over the North Pole, the volcanos should be visible for well over a hundred kilometers. Why has there been no detected major tectonic activity there there no detect clouds of ash or earthquakes or anything like that.

There are no flights over the north pole. There may be flights skirting the edge, but not over it.

Flight do go over the artic and you haven't answered the rest of my post.