How far could you see?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2013, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: Spank86 on December 16, 2013, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2013, 08:29:54 AM

You're just not getting it, are you.
I'm not interested in what your eyes can't see. We don't look up at the sky and say, "oh look, I can't see that so called star light" do we?
Whether you put an optic or an object that makes light visible to our eye, it's still, AS IS, always.

As long as there is light creating energy, there will be light. Let m see if I can explain.

If I was stood (hypothetically) on a distant (so called) star and all time in your so called universe was the same time. You would see my star from 12.00 pm (for instance) from your EYE point of view and I would see your star from 12.00 pm from my EYE point of view.
The only difference is, if I was to then travel towards your light, it would take an amount of time for me to physically reach you, as it would you to reach me.

The second light energy stops, so does any persons point of view.
If I were to switch off my light, no matter where it was in distance to your eye, you would see it disappear the moment I stop the energy that emits it. You certainly wouldn't go on seeing it for years later after I'd turned it off, so stop being so naive because it's embarrassing.

what about sound?

Is that the same or does that travel?

In fact is there anything else in the world that acts like you suggest light does?

Light is sound. Light is the end product of sound.

We know this statement to be 100% false. It's not debatable.

You stick to your mixing water solubles and stuff.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2013, 10:47:57 AM

Quote from: Spank86 on December 16, 2013, 10:31:01 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2013, 10:22:23 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 09:53:54 AM

Scepti, I seem to recall you stating light and sound propagated the same way.

If so, how is one instantaneous over any distance, while the other travels a mere 767mph?

There is a remarkable difference in seeing and hearing.

does that mean you think the time delay in sound occurs in our ears or between there and the brain?

Or that you know sound takes time to travel between two points.

There is a remarkable difference between seeing and hearing. You see light from it's original point but the sound comes first that created that light, except that your eyes see it before your ear drums are vibrated, assuming it's within your range.

So why is there a delay between seeing a lightening flash and hearing thunder?  Or fireworks in the distance.

Look through the air. You are looking through molecules that reflect light and your eyes see that from whichever point it originates.
The sound waves that produced the flash take longer to register in your ear drum and hammer.

It's like someone throwing a stone at your head. You see the stone before you feel the hit, assuming you're looking in that direction.
This earth isn't as complicated as is made out. Anything on this earth as in science can be broken down into its simplest form to show people just how it all works, but it will never happen this way because the dumbed down are dumbed down for a reason and it includes you.
Of course, you can sit there and believe you are super clever because you believe you know this and that. The only things you can verify are the things you can perform yourself and produce yourself that you can PHYSICALLY 100% say is correct.
This is very little in the grand scheme of things.
Sure, you know that mixing this with that produces a reaction of whatever but you do NOT know, Yourself what the hell the speed of light is or anything like this. All you know, is what you have been brainwashed to accept.
Admit it or not, it makes no difference to me. I know I'm telling the truth.

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

Does light travel the same way as sound?  Yes or no.

No.
They are the exact same thing as in, you cannot produce light without first producing vibration/agitation/sound, but they do not act in the same manner to your perception.

So are you saying light doesn't travel by vibration through air?  Because in another thread not long ago you said the following:

Light is super agitated sound vibrations.

and

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 17, 2013, 08:34:47 AM

Does the light/sound from an event travel the same speed across a distance to reach me? 

Yes or no.

The simple answer is yes. The only difference is seeing the effect of the frequency to hearing the effect of that frequency.

and

Quote from: Umurweird on October 17, 2013, 10:50:18 AM

Light waves can be polarized..........sound waves can't.
Explain.
Not the same thing.

They are the same thing.

and

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So we can agree then that light and sound are completely different and travel by completely different means.

They are exactly the same thing. Light is sound, it's the end product of sound.

and regarding light being instantaneous...

You are still going to see light when travelling at any speed if you are heading towards it. Going away from  it is a different matter as the light will fade to nothing from your sight.

which would mean it's possible to travel faster than light, through air, since you claim perfect vaccuum does not exist.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 01:14:40 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

Does light travel the same way as sound?  Yes or no.

No.
They are the exact same thing as in, you cannot produce light without first producing vibration/agitation/sound, but they do not act in the same manner to your perception.

So are you saying light doesn't travel by vibration through air?  Because in another thread not long ago you said the following:

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2013, 04:09:40 AM

Light is super agitated sound vibrations.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 17, 2013, 08:34:47 AM

Does the light/sound from an event travel the same speed across a distance to reach me? 

Yes or no.

The simple answer is yes. The only difference is seeing the effect of the frequency to hearing the effect of that frequency.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: Umurweird on October 17, 2013, 10:50:18 AM

Light waves can be polarized..........sound waves can't.
Explain.
Not the same thing.

They are the same thing.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 16, 2013, 10:14:43 AM

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So we can agree then that light and sound are completely different and travel by completely different means.

They are exactly the same thing. Light is sound, it's the end product of sound.

and regarding light being instantaneous...

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 11:48:11 AM

You are still going to see light when travelling at any speed if you are heading towards it. Going away from  it is a different matter as the light will fade to nothing from your sight.

which would mean it's possible to travel faster than light, through air, since you claim perfect vaccuum does not exist.

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.
I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 17, 2013, 10:44:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 01:14:40 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

Does light travel the same way as sound?  Yes or no.

No.
They are the exact same thing as in, you cannot produce light without first producing vibration/agitation/sound, but they do not act in the same manner to your perception.

So are you saying light doesn't travel by vibration through air?  Because in another thread not long ago you said the following:

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2013, 04:09:40 AM

Light is super agitated sound vibrations.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 17, 2013, 08:34:47 AM

Does the light/sound from an event travel the same speed across a distance to reach me? 

Yes or no.

The simple answer is yes. The only difference is seeing the effect of the frequency to hearing the effect of that frequency.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: Umurweird on October 17, 2013, 10:50:18 AM

Light waves can be polarized..........sound waves can't.
Explain.
Not the same thing.

They are the same thing.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 16, 2013, 10:14:43 AM

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So we can agree then that light and sound are completely different and travel by completely different means.

They are exactly the same thing. Light is sound, it's the end product of sound.

and regarding light being instantaneous...

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 11:48:11 AM

You are still going to see light when travelling at any speed if you are heading towards it. Going away from  it is a different matter as the light will fade to nothing from your sight.

which would mean it's possible to travel faster than light, through air, since you claim perfect vaccuum does not exist.

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.
I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 11:32:36 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 17, 2013, 10:44:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 01:14:40 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

Does light travel the same way as sound?  Yes or no.

No.
They are the exact same thing as in, you cannot produce light without first producing vibration/agitation/sound, but they do not act in the same manner to your perception.

So are you saying light doesn't travel by vibration through air?  Because in another thread not long ago you said the following:

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2013, 04:09:40 AM

Light is super agitated sound vibrations.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 17, 2013, 08:34:47 AM

Does the light/sound from an event travel the same speed across a distance to reach me? 

Yes or no.

The simple answer is yes. The only difference is seeing the effect of the frequency to hearing the effect of that frequency.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: Umurweird on October 17, 2013, 10:50:18 AM

Light waves can be polarized..........sound waves can't.
Explain.
Not the same thing.

They are the same thing.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 16, 2013, 10:14:43 AM

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So we can agree then that light and sound are completely different and travel by completely different means.

They are exactly the same thing. Light is sound, it's the end product of sound.

and regarding light being instantaneous...

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 11:48:11 AM

You are still going to see light when travelling at any speed if you are heading towards it. Going away from  it is a different matter as the light will fade to nothing from your sight.

which would mean it's possible to travel faster than light, through air, since you claim perfect vaccuum does not exist.

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.
I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

Typical ginger response, lol.

Quote from: sokarul on December 17, 2013, 01:36:19 PM

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

Typical ginger response, lol.

Cool.
How should I have responded? Anyone who read 29silhouette post containing your quotes know you are dumb. I just said it, we are all thinking it.
The whole field of spectroscopy shows just how wrong you are. I mean, you are not even remotely close to being correct. I'm not quite sure why we even have to argue this. I'm not putting any effort into in and others shouldn't either. You are just wasting their time.

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.

Just pondering your contradictions. 

You say light and sound are the same thing, but also claim they're different.  You also claim light travels instantaneously over any given distance unlike sound, but that it also travels the same way as sound in addition to reflecting off particles between the source and one's eyes, even that one could outrun light.  Have a word will you.

I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

I look forward to it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 03:34:43 PM

Quote from: sokarul on December 17, 2013, 01:36:19 PM

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

Typical ginger response, lol.

Cool.
How should I have responded? Anyone who read 29silhouette post containing your quotes know you are dumb. I just said it, we are all thinking it.
The whole field of spectroscopy shows just how wrong you are. I mean, you are not even remotely close to being correct. I'm not quite sure why we even have to argue this. I'm not putting any effort into in and others shouldn't either. You are just wasting their time.

At least try and put some effort in or just keep your ginger nut out instead of crying like a little kid.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 11:32:36 AM

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.

Just pondering your contradictions. 

You say light and sound are the same thing, but also claim they're different.  You also claim light travels instantaneously over any given distance unlike sound, but that it also travels the same way as sound in addition to reflecting off particles between the source and one's eyes, even that one could outrun light.  Have a word will you.

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I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

I look forward to it.

No contradictions here, kid.

Scepti is not contradicting himself.  They ARE the same thing but we perceive them differently.  Just like all humans are essentially the same, but each is perceived differently.

Can someone please post a video showing light propagating in a vacuum chamber (with no lights on in the room the chamber is in)?  Why is it so hard to find this online?  Everywhere I look, they use the sun as an example but I want to see evidence of it in a lab.

Can someone please post a video showing light propagating in a vacuum chamber (with no lights on in the room the chamber is in)?  Why is it so hard to find this online?  Everywhere I look, they use the sun as an example but I want to see evidence of it in a lab.

Have you seen any pictures or videos of a vacuum chamber where you can see the inside of the chamber?

In a vacuum chamber with the air sucked out in a room with no lights on?  Nope.

Even if it's not a 100% absolute vacuum?  Because scepti will be along to inform us the remaining air molecules only expanded to fill the void, therefor it's not a true vacuum, thus allowing light to propagate through the chamber, and you seem to always agree with scepti.

Anyway, typing "light inside a vacuum chamber" in youtube brought up some examples of a light source of some kind or another emanating from inside a vacuum chamber.

29,
Plasma is the only thing I've seen.  Why can't people show a simple flashlight inside one?

It's light isn't it?

I saw one on the first page with a standard overhead light from when James May of Top Gear was getting ready for a high altitude flight.

29,
Plasma is the only thing I've seen.  Why can't people show a simple flashlight inside one?

so you've SEEN plasma in a vacuum chamber?

So how do you think sight works?

Quote from: sokarul on December 17, 2013, 03:48:24 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 03:34:43 PM

Quote from: sokarul on December 17, 2013, 01:36:19 PM

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

Typical ginger response, lol.

Cool.
How should I have responded? Anyone who read 29silhouette post containing your quotes know you are dumb. I just said it, we are all thinking it.
The whole field of spectroscopy shows just how wrong you are. I mean, you are not even remotely close to being correct. I'm not quite sure why we even have to argue this. I'm not putting any effort into in and others shouldn't either. You are just wasting their time.

At least try and put some effort in or just keep your ginger nut out instead of crying like a little kid.

Crying? I have a degree and I make 5 times as much as you. Why would I be crying? You greatly overestimate yourself.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 11:32:36 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 17, 2013, 10:44:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2013, 01:14:40 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 16, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

Does light travel the same way as sound?  Yes or no.

No.
They are the exact same thing as in, you cannot produce light without first producing vibration/agitation/sound, but they do not act in the same manner to your perception.

So are you saying light doesn't travel by vibration through air?  Because in another thread not long ago you said the following:

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2013, 04:09:40 AM

Light is super agitated sound vibrations.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 17, 2013, 08:34:47 AM

Does the light/sound from an event travel the same speed across a distance to reach me? 

Yes or no.

The simple answer is yes. The only difference is seeing the effect of the frequency to hearing the effect of that frequency.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: Umurweird on October 17, 2013, 10:50:18 AM

Light waves can be polarized..........sound waves can't.
Explain.
Not the same thing.

They are the same thing.

and

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 16, 2013, 10:14:43 AM

Quote

So we can agree then that light and sound are completely different and travel by completely different means.

They are exactly the same thing. Light is sound, it's the end product of sound.

and regarding light being instantaneous...

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2013, 11:48:11 AM

You are still going to see light when travelling at any speed if you are heading towards it. Going away from  it is a different matter as the light will fade to nothing from your sight.

which would mean it's possible to travel faster than light, through air, since you claim perfect vaccuum does not exist.

Why do you spend so much time on attempting to trip me up when clearly you are not doing that.
I think I'll just play games with you, that's all you're worth.

You are dumb and you say dumb things.

I have a theory about sceptimatic.:
IMHO He (or She ?) is a very smart person who has developed a knack for coming up with the dumbest things of which he can think or imagine.  Of course this is just my "IMHO". LOL. I think I read somewhere that the FES disowns him (or her ?) and claims no part in him (or her ?).

I have a theory about sceptimatic.:
IMHO He (or She ?) is a very smart person who has developed a knack for coming up with the dumbest things of which he can think or imagine.  Of course this is just my "IMHO". LOL. I think I read somewhere that the FES disowns him (or her ?) and claims no part in him (or her ?).

I used to think it was a shared account where anyone could log in as sceptimatic and then try would try and top each other and post the most dumb thing possible.

Quote from: Googleotomy on December 18, 2013, 04:44:34 PM

I have a theory about sceptimatic.:
IMHO He (or She ?) is a very smart person who has developed a knack for coming up with the dumbest things of which he can think or imagine.  Of course this is just my "IMHO". LOL. I think I read somewhere that the FES disowns him (or her ?) and claims no part in him (or her ?).

I used to think it was a shared account where anyone could log in as sceptimatic and then try would try and top each other and post the most dumb thing possible.

Incorrect, sokarul is the shared account we use for that.

Well, what is really dumb, is that you guys continue to debate with him.   
And that video of James May in the chamber has lights on outside the chamber too AND you know as well as I do that chamber is not evacuated as much as a chamber would be without a human inside it.  So, no it doesn't qualify.

And that video of James May in the chamber has lights on outside the chamber too AND you know as well as I do that chamber is not evacuated as much as a chamber would be without a human inside it.  So, no it doesn't qualify.

my point is that any chamber you can see inside has light in it.

Any video of anything in a vacuum chamber where you can see must have light in it.

Which is probably why there aren't videos of anything as boring as a mag-light in a vacuum chamber, i mean it would be exactly the same as a mag-light in a cardboard box.

Well, what is really dumb, ........

What is really dumb is arguing the point that seeing the inside of a vacuum chamber illuminated from outside, and seeing things through a vacuum chamber, isn't proof light can propagate inside that vacuum chamber, and that a light source inside that vacuum chamber with the room darkened is the only way to prove it can.

If you think the light source won't be seen and that it will prove your master's theory, then obtain access to a vacuum chamber or build one.

Why not just show me a simple video instead of me having to go through all that trouble?  I'm not the one saying that light propagates inside a vacuum. Just because scientists tell me the sun is proof of it, means nothing to me because I don't buy what they sell.

Why not just show me a simple video instead of me having to go through all that trouble?  I'm not the one saying that light propagates inside a vacuum. Just because scientists tell me the sun is proof of it, means nothing to me because I don't buy what they sell.

In all the videos of vacuum chambers operating you are able to find, are the objects inside visible?  Yes or no.

Light is sound. Light is the end product of sound.

Once again, scepti is right.  The sooner you all accept that, the less brainwashed you will be on your last day here on/inside Earth.  I understand it is very hard for some of you.  That's to be expected.  But I will continue with my positive outlook on humanity and KNOW that one day, the truth will reveal itself to all.

Even the bible (if you believe it) says God SPOKE the Earth into existence, which means it all started with SOUND:
http://www.wnd.com/2007/02/40054/

In all the videos of vacuum chambers operating you are able to find, are the objects inside visible?  Yes or no.

Yes because there is light on the OUTSIDE of the chamber.  Light obviously propagates through the air we breathe.  But that is not the same as light propagating INSIDE the chamber where there is extremely little air.  The light from outside the chamber is illuminating the inside of the chamber.

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 19, 2013, 09:57:22 AM

In all the videos of vacuum chambers operating you are able to find, are the objects inside visible?  Yes or no.

Yes because there is light on the OUTSIDE of the chamber.  Light obviously propagates through the air we breathe.  But that is not the same as light propagating INSIDE the chamber where there is extremely little air.  The light from outside the chamber is illuminating the inside of the chamber.

There we have it folks, light propagating through a vacuum.  Mystery solved.