Why does the Sun reach the horizon?

Perhaps you could provide a simple 2D diagram of how something could be 22 degrees above the horizon, and yet appear to sink below the horizon (due to us being small) while remaining the same size as it moves away.

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and 3 - Unless you have measured the sun disk through your telescope, then how do you know it's size doesn't change?

I have.  Posted the pictures here too (several times). 

Quote from: 29silhouette on January 01, 2014, 07:09:36 PM

Perhaps you could provide a simple 2D diagram of how something could be 22 degrees above the horizon, and yet appear to sink below the horizon (due to us being small) while remaining the same size as it moves away.

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and 3 - Unless you have measured the sun disk through your telescope, then how do you know it's size doesn't change?

I have.  Posted the pictures here too (several times). 

I don't need to make a diagram because all you have to do is look at the horizon.  You see the sky meet the Earth right?

You see the sun IN THE SKY meeting the Earth.  And when you measured the sun in your telescope, you compared it to the moon that night at the same magnification, right?  I would like to see the data on that.

Quote from: Moosedrool on January 01, 2014, 03:41:31 AM

3. A clear noticeable difference in it's size should be seen from spectators where it should be at it's biggest midday and a tiny spec getting smaller and smaller as it apparently travels into the distance.

3 - Unless you have measured the sun disk through your telescope, then how do you know it's size doesn't change?

you compared it to the moon that night at the same magnification, right?

I plan to.  I didn't say it changed size the same day.  The moon doesn't change from Apogee to Perigee in one day.

You didn't say you compared it to the moon at all.  But you're right, I failed to state that it needs to be measured say, once a month for a year.  The full moon Perigee.
http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/lunar-perigee-apogee.html

Moose,
You mean dawn until dusk.  The sun does not get smaller as it moves away because it is not an object.  It is a reflection.  Does light reflected in a mirror get smaller as it moves away?

You didn't say you compared it to the moon at all.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on January 03, 2014, 12:06:50 PM

You didn't say you compared it to the moon at all.

I know.  I said I didn't compare it to the moon.  What would have been the point?  I was comparing the size of the sun between noon and sunset for differences.  If those two images showed no difference in size, then what need would there be to compare it to the moon also on the same day?  What if the moon wasn't even visible that day?

That isn't the point.

  Like I said, it needs to be measured during a full moon THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

  And yes, it would need to be on a clear night (isn't that obvious?)

If you think it changes size, check it for yourself.

Because you need to compare the size of the Full moon with the sun to see if the sun changes with the seasons.  We already know the moon does.

Quote from: 29silhouette on January 02, 2014, 08:03:00 PM

If you think it changes size, check it for yourself.

Excellent images—and irrefutable evidence of the sun's constant size as well (duh, LOL). 

Thank you for taking the time to post this stuff.
Your welcome.

 It's a pity the FEs never seem to be able to post photographic images to support any of their claims.
I have yet to see the FE'r that actually understands photography

 They invariably utilise 2D drawings.
Good luck getting even those sometimes, especially when a simple 2D diagram will suffice.... and also disprove their argument.

Here's some sufficient evidence that the sun at least drops lower than cloud level relative to a given position on the earth.

Perspective makes the sun closer to the horizon than clouds which are almost overhead.  It does not take much imagination to comprehend this.  You guys are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

Perspective makes the sun closer to the horizon than clouds which are almost overhead.  It does not take much imagination to comprehend this.  You guys are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

Are you trying to say that perspective only happens if light can bend?  I don't even follow you anymore.  Lay off the liquor for a little while, please.

rottingroom, you are asking for a small scale example of something that takes place over tens of thousands of kilometers.  Of course I can't accurately reproduce this in my living room.  I would not ask you to reproduce the moon landings in your living room.

rottingroom, you are asking for a small scale example of something that takes place over tens of thousands of kilometers.  Of course I can't accurately reproduce this in my living room.  I would not ask you to reproduce the moon landings in your living room. 

The sun gets close to the horizon because things in the sky get closer to the horizon when they are far away due to perspective.  Do I really need to explain perspective to you guys?