Can anyone answer this question.

Scepti you keep saying a vacuum is nothing but you are dead wrong. There is no example in the world anywhere of what you conceive as nothing.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

so we should basically see an earth blanket of sun, not a small disc.

The entire sky should be filled with the sun no matter which way we look?  Is that what you're saying?

Objects appear smaller the further away they are, regardless if they're viewed through atmosphere, 1/10 atmosphere, 1/1000 atmosphere, or vacuum.

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What the hell do you mean, "space in isolation?"

Exactly what it means.

Try dictionary.com if you're having trouble understanding what isolation means.

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Of course that's not what it means, to your science. If it did, then we would not be arguing the point.
Your science uses EVACUATED matter in PARTIAL terms to describe a vacuum, which allegedly leaves scattered matter that is independent of each other and you cannot see how ridiculous this is.

Everything in science is ridiculous to you because you have no idea what any of it actually means.

You might as well be trying to read sanskrit and trying to make sense of it.

I don't understand how you can ridicule something you fail to comprehend. It's pure ignorance.

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 15, 2013, 10:49:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

so we should basically see an earth blanket of sun, not a small disc.

The entire sky should be filled with the sun no matter which way we look?  Is that what you're saying?

Objects appear smaller the further away they are, regardless if they're viewed through atmosphere, 1/10 atmosphere, 1/1000 atmosphere, or vacuum.

Inside earth you see stuff from a distance which looks smaller, fair enough, no problem there. That's because our eyesight cannot magnify as we move away to keep an object the same size, plus the atmosphere would obscure it, eventually.

A strong torch shining into your eyes whilst you back away from it, will become smaller as the reflected light becomes less intense due to atmosphere density over distance.

The way your so called vacuum is described with your huge sun and stars, they do not suffer this problem until they hit earths atmosphere from however many trillions of miles, meaning they should hit with the intensity from which they started emitting in this direction, which would bathe the earth and would not give us any chance of seeing them as any kind of dot that we see now.

I comprehend it perfectly well. You simply fail to see the logic.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:15:07 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 15, 2013, 10:49:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

so we should basically see an earth blanket of sun, not a small disc.

The entire sky should be filled with the sun no matter which way we look?  Is that what you're saying?

Objects appear smaller the further away they are, regardless if they're viewed through atmosphere, 1/10 atmosphere, 1/1000 atmosphere, or vacuum.

Inside earth you see stuff from a distance which looks smaller, fair enough, no problem there. That's because our eyesight cannot magnify as we move away to keep an object the same size, plus the atmosphere would obscure it, eventually.

A strong torch shining into your eyes whilst you back away from it, will become smaller as the reflected light becomes less intense due to atmosphere density over distance.

The way your so called vacuum is described with your huge sun and stars, they do not suffer this problem until they hit earths atmosphere from however many trillions of miles, meaning they should hit with the intensity from which they started emitting in this direction, which would bathe the earth and would not give us any chance of seeing them as any kind of dot that we see now.

And each photon does hit with the same intensity but it is just far less photons.

No scepti, space is still something. It is not nothing. I have told you this before. Your definition of nothing is a philosophical concept and it does not represent anything in this universe. Space is space, not nothing.

If nothing was a possible state of the universe then it would have to exist everywhere. We can't live "in" nothing. Nothing cannot exist simultaneously with something as it would have to with your dome.

Quote from: Umurweird on October 15, 2013, 10:38:08 AM

Are you actually this ignorant or do you just pretend to be?

When someone says vacuum, in science, it means space in isolation, without interference.

What the hell do you mean, "space in isolation?"

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Ok, you explain to me how something can operate in something that cannot exist.

Quote from: Umurweird on October 15, 2013, 10:38:08 AM

I can't because that isn't what vacuum means.

Of course that's not what it means, to your science. If it did, then we would not be arguing the point.
Your science uses EVACUATED matter in PARTIAL terms to describe a vacuum, which allegedly leaves scattered matter that is independent of each other and you cannot see how ridiculous this is.

Quote from: Umurweird on October 15, 2013, 10:38:08 AM

No, not orange pips in a bath full of water. Bits of matter in vast space. You seem to reject every analogy on this thread that people have used to try to explain the answers to your questions..........so please refrain from using ridiculous analogies yourself.

As above.

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 15, 2013, 10:49:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

so we should basically see an earth blanket of sun, not a small disc.

The entire sky should be filled with the sun no matter which way we look?  Is that what you're saying?

Objects appear smaller the further away they are, regardless if they're viewed through atmosphere, 1/10 atmosphere, 1/1000 atmosphere, or vacuum.

Inside earth you see stuff from a distance which looks smaller, fair enough, no problem there. That's because our eyesight cannot magnify as we move away to keep an object the same size, plus the atmosphere would obscure it, eventually.

A strong torch shining into your eyes whilst you back away from it, will become smaller as the reflected light becomes less intense due to atmosphere density over distance.

The way your so called vacuum is described with your huge sun and stars, they do not suffer this problem until they hit earths atmosphere from however many trillions of miles, meaning they should hit with the intensity from which they started emitting in this direction, which would bathe the earth and would not give us any chance of seeing them as any kind of dot that we see now.

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I comprehend it perfectly well. You simply fail to see the logic.

What logic?

Until you actually understand what a vacuum is..........or any other basic parts of physics........you shouldn't be commenting on the subject at all.

Can you back up that assumption with actual scientific data?

Quote from: rottingroom on October 15, 2013, 11:14:43 AM

If nothing was a possible state of the universe then it would have to exist everywhere. We can't live "in" nothing. Nothing cannot exist simultaneously with something as it would have to with your dome.

The universe is a figment of our imagination, It exists because we allow it to exist. We do this because we see light against blackness as specks as in what we call stars and brightness of what we see as a sun in this imaginary universe.
It's a trick of our minds because we cannot contemplate what NOTHING  actually means. To us, nothing means no money, no water in the bath or no rain or a zero. We cannot comprehend the real meaning of nothing because there is no such thing that exists as nothing. Head busting isn't it.

Our perceived universe is the colour black, our best perceived, real- nothing.

Now this is just the problem. You see, If I want to comment on something I believe in, I will do that. I will not stop because you decide I shouldn't, just because you cannot grasp what I'm saying.
We all display ignorance to each other. My ignorance, to you, is my stance against your own ignorance of alternatives to your indoctrination by the ignorance of your indoctrinators to teach you anything other than the version they hold in their books and memory.

How about using your common sense.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:15:07 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on October 15, 2013, 10:49:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

so we should basically see an earth blanket of sun, not a small disc.

The entire sky should be filled with the sun no matter which way we look?  Is that what you're saying?

Objects appear smaller the further away they are, regardless if they're viewed through atmosphere, 1/10 atmosphere, 1/1000 atmosphere, or vacuum.

Inside earth you see stuff from a distance which looks smaller, fair enough, no problem there. That's because our eyesight cannot magnify as we move away to keep an object the same size, plus the atmosphere would obscure it, eventually.

A strong torch shining into your eyes whilst you back away from it, will become smaller as the reflected light becomes less intense due to atmosphere density over distance.

The way your so called vacuum is described with your huge sun and stars, they do not suffer this problem until they hit earths atmosphere from however many trillions of miles, meaning they should hit with the intensity from which they started emitting in this direction, which would bathe the earth and would not give us any chance of seeing them as any kind of dot that we see now.

Are you still under the assumption that light requires air to propagate through, just like sound?

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:32:56 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on October 15, 2013, 11:14:43 AM

If nothing was a possible state of the universe then it would have to exist everywhere. We can't live "in" nothing. Nothing cannot exist simultaneously with something as it would have to with your dome.

The universe is a figment of our imagination, It exists because we allow it to exist. We do this because we see light against blackness as specks as in what we call stars and brightness of what we see as a sun in this imaginary universe.
It's a trick of our minds because we cannot contemplate what NOTHING  actually means. To us, nothing means no money, no water in the bath or no rain or a zero. We cannot comprehend the real meaning of nothing because there is no such thing that exists as nothing. Head busting isn't it.

Our perceived universe is the colour black, our best perceived, real- nothing.

A very deep contemplation but as a rejecter of science, you forgot that "universe" is part of it.

In brief, I want to tell you that there is nothing called universe.

Quote from: Umurweird on October 15, 2013, 11:25:18 AM

Can you back up that assumption with actual scientific data?

How about using your common sense.

Quote from: Happy Forever on October 15, 2013, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:32:56 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on October 15, 2013, 11:14:43 AM

If nothing was a possible state of the universe then it would have to exist everywhere. We can't live "in" nothing. Nothing cannot exist simultaneously with something as it would have to with your dome.

The universe is a figment of our imagination, It exists because we allow it to exist. We do this because we see light against blackness as specks as in what we call stars and brightness of what we see as a sun in this imaginary universe.
It's a trick of our minds because we cannot contemplate what NOTHING  actually means. To us, nothing means no money, no water in the bath or no rain or a zero. We cannot comprehend the real meaning of nothing because there is no such thing that exists as nothing. Head busting isn't it.

Our perceived universe is the colour black, our best perceived, real- nothing.

A very deep contemplation but as a rejecter of science, you forgot that "universe" is part of it.

In brief, I want to tell you that there is nothing called universe.

Correct...universe is merely a word and an imagination of something that people believe exists. Our universe is inside this cell we call earth.

Commenting on something and questioning it is fine..........if you actually know what you are talking about.

Ridiculing something because you aren't educated enough to comprehend it is foolish.

I don't speak Chinese. Should I tell ever Chinese speaking person that are talking gibberish because I don't understand their language?

Of course I can't grasp what you are saying...........nothing you say makes sense.

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If you don't speak Chinese then you can tell them all you want that they are talking gibberish, but if they don't understand English, they will simply believe you are talking gibberish. Some stalemate, eh?

Quote from: Umurweird on October 15, 2013, 11:40:41 AM

Common sense says science is correct, pictures of earth from space aren't a conspiracy, and you're a moron.

Hows that?

Of course pictures from space aren't a conspiracy, TO YOU.
Bruce Willis stayed back on an asteroid and nuked it. It's true because I was it on TV and it looked damn real to me.

I'll need some proof from you as to your assumption that I'm a moron. Pictures won't do, I need some real proof. Maybe a certificate or moronic excellence or something, stamped and dated and authenticated.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:45:51 AM

Quote from: Happy Forever on October 15, 2013, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 15, 2013, 11:32:56 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on October 15, 2013, 11:14:43 AM

If nothing was a possible state of the universe then it would have to exist everywhere. We can't live "in" nothing. Nothing cannot exist simultaneously with something as it would have to with your dome.

The universe is a figment of our imagination, It exists because we allow it to exist. We do this because we see light against blackness as specks as in what we call stars and brightness of what we see as a sun in this imaginary universe.
It's a trick of our minds because we cannot contemplate what NOTHING  actually means. To us, nothing means no money, no water in the bath or no rain or a zero. We cannot comprehend the real meaning of nothing because there is no such thing that exists as nothing. Head busting isn't it.

Our perceived universe is the colour black, our best perceived, real- nothing.

A very deep contemplation but as a rejecter of science, you forgot that "universe" is part of it.

In brief, I want to tell you that there is nothing called universe.

Correct...universe is merely a word and an imagination of something that people believe exists. Our universe is inside this cell we call earth.

No, there is no universe and the earth is not a universe or a cell. The earth is the earth and the sky is the sky and that's it.

The earth is the earth and the sky is the sky and that's it.

Light is the end product of sound. It cannot propagate unless it has matter to do so, it's impossible and should be logical to comprehend that.

Of course pictures from space aren't a conspiracy, TO YOU.
Bruce Willis stayed back on an asteroid and nuked it. It's true because I was it on TV and it looked damn real to me.

I'll need some proof from you as to your assumption that I'm a moron.

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The earth is the earth and the sky is the sky and that's it.

Where do meteors that crash to the earth come from?

So why can I see something happen in the distance, and not hear it until several seconds have passed?

From the lower sky.