Is earth the only flat planet?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2013, 03:19:21 AM »
Well the sun only lights up roughley half of the earth and moves above it and lights up its respective area and causes phenomina like morning and evening. And the sun doesnt literaley rise and set. They are an ilusion as the sun rides its orbit

Why wouldnt they have gravitey? Gravitey is still distributed its just that Earth has the highest concatration of gravitey. And thats how general relativitey works: there is a dent and objects roll around it (exactley how Einstein discovered it)
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How can it light up only half the earth? The sun does not have a focus point on it. It is a ball of light illuminating 360 degrees

Think light bulb not torch.

Why does Earth have the highest concentration of gravity? Its mass is nowhere near the mass of the sun or jupiter? The gravity on Jupiter would cause you to be crushed under your own weight.

Im not going to get into a stupid argument about wether gravity exsists or not or wether it works perectly. There is a force directly related to mass that has a effect on other objects drawing them to the centre of the mass. End of.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2013, 03:28:54 AM »
tomstar, why would you assume that the Earth is the same as the observable planets?  No planet has the same magnetic field, amount of liquid water, or even the same composition of atmosphere.  Life has never been found on any of the observable planets.  Why should I assume that the Earth should not be special?

Because of the rules of proberbility. It would be a self indugent and ignorant assumption of mankind that our planet is special. We got lucky with the many varibles to support carbon based life forms.

Its ture that no KNOWN planet has the same properties as ours does. But what about the infinate amount of other unknown planets and the 13 odd billion years since the big bang and the possible billions and trillions of time left in our universe that again by the laws of proberbilities there are other planets which can support some sort of life, carbon, silicone or any other unknown element.

Which brings me back to the point. The Earth is not special in the grand scheme of things. So why the only flat planet?


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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2013, 06:04:19 PM »
Well the sun only lights up roughley half of the earth and moves above it and lights up its respective area and causes phenomina like morning and evening. And the sun doesnt literaley rise and set. They are an ilusion as the sun rides its orbit

Why wouldnt they have gravitey? Gravitey is still distributed its just that Earth has the highest concatration of gravitey. And thats how general relativitey works: there is a dent and objects roll around it (exactley how Einstein discovered it)

How can it light up only half the earth? The sun does not have a focus point on it. It is a ball of light illuminating 360 degrees

Think light bulb not torch.

Why does Earth have the highest concentration of gravity? Its mass is nowhere near the mass of the sun or jupiter? The gravity on Jupiter would cause you to be crushed under your own weight.

Im not going to get into a stupid argument about wether gravity exsists or not or wether it works perectly. There is a force directly related to mass that has a effect on other objects drawing them to the centre of the mass. End of.
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Im not saying it has a focus point im saying its light only shines up roughley half the earth

Because the Earth is almost as if its "stuck" to the universe in my hipothesis. The universe is literaley pulling on it by its edges causing it to be the heavyest dent. The earth is the base of the universe

When did I ever question gravitey? It is cleareley implied above that I beleive in gravitey
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And the sun doesnt literaley rise and set.


Of course it doesn't. Don't be silly.

The Earth revolves on it's axis while orbiting the sun..........which is what causes the sun to appear to rise and set on our horizons.
Um no. The earth is flat and doesnt move as the sun orbits above the earth
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2013, 06:22:39 PM »
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Um no. The earth is flat and doesnt move as the sun orbits above the earth

There is about as good a chance of that being true as there is you being capable of spelling gravity correctly. Or any word over two syllables, apparently.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2013, 06:27:29 PM »
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Um no. The earth is flat and doesnt move as the sun orbits above the earth

There is about as good a chance of that being true as there is you being capable of spelling gravity correctly. Or any word over two syllables, apparently.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2013, 10:45:55 PM »
tomstar, why would you assume that the Earth is the same as the observable planets?  No planet has the same magnetic field, amount of liquid water, or even the same composition of atmosphere.  Life has never been found on any of the observable planets.  Why should I assume that the Earth should not be special?

Because of the rules of proberbility. It would be a self indugent and ignorant assumption of mankind that our planet is special. We got lucky with the many varibles to support carbon based life forms.

Its ture that no KNOWN planet has the same properties as ours does. But what about the infinate amount of other unknown planets and the 13 odd billion years since the big bang and the possible billions and trillions of time left in our universe that again by the laws of proberbilities there are other planets which can support some sort of life, carbon, silicone or any other unknown element.

Which brings me back to the point. The Earth is not special in the grand scheme of things. So why the only flat planet?

You haven't been paying attention.  The Earth is NOT a planet according to conventional FET.  And furthermore, the rules of probability suggest it is a different kind of body, for exactly the reasons jroa gives.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2013, 11:08:07 PM »
Roundy if you had read the whole thread then you would know that I pointed out that jroa's reasons for assuming the earth is different completely disregards the only attribute that is known to affect a planets shape.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2013, 11:13:56 PM »
Roundy if you had read the whole thread then you would know that I pointed out that jroa's reasons for assuming the earth is different completely disregards the only attribute that is known to affect a planets shape.

Irrelevant.  You're basing that observation on a blind assumption.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2013, 11:16:16 PM »
Roundy if you had read the whole thread then you would know that I pointed out that jroa's reasons for assuming the earth is different completely disregards the only attribute that is known to affect a planets shape.

Irrelevant.  You're basing that observation on a blind assumption.

Please tell me how liquid water, magnetic fields and atmospheric composition are relevant to a planets shape and how mass isn't.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2013, 11:20:24 PM »
Roundy if you had read the whole thread then you would know that I pointed out that jroa's reasons for assuming the earth is different completely disregards the only attribute that is known to affect a planets shape.

Irrelevant.  You're basing that observation on a blind assumption.

Please tell me how liquid water, magnetic fields and atmospheric composition are relevant to a planets shape and how mass isn't.

You are blindly assuming a body's mass is relevant to a body's shape.  Furthermore, you are still assuming that the Earth is a planet.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2013, 11:25:11 PM »
Please look at Jupiters Moons and notice how the more the mass they have the more round they appear. This is just one small example. I can find you more if you'd like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Jupiter

For what reasons should I not assume Earth is a planet?

plan·et
ˈplanit/
noun
1.
a celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit around a star

We are going to use the same words right? We can get into this if you want and I can show you why the earth meets all this criteria. I hope you have better things to do than spend a few hours making skeptic excuses.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2013, 11:33:32 PM »
Please look at Jupiters Moons and notice how the more the mass they have the more round they appear. This is just one small example. I can find you more if you'd like.

So now you're forgetting that the planets are much smaller in FET than they are in RET.  Do you think that the mere specks that Jupiter's moons represent are affected enough by your RE theory of gravity that this would make any kind of difference?  Also, it must be noted that according to conventional FET, we have never observed any body the size of the Earth except for the Earth.  So yeah, it's a blind assumption that such a body should be pulled into a sphere.

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For what reasons should I not assume Earth is a planet?

plan·et
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Well, that definition is a good place to start.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2013, 11:55:42 PM »
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So now you're forgetting that the planets are much smaller in FET than they are in RET.  Do you think that the mere specks that Jupiter's moons represent are affected enough by your RE theory of gravity that this would make any kind of difference?  Also, it must be noted that according to conventional FET, we have never observed any body the size of the Earth except for the Earth.  So yeah, it's a blind assumption that such a body should be pulled into a sphere.

You shouldn't assume that I've forgotten anything. I've been here long enough to both know the different consequences that result in observation if the earth is plane and to know the skeptic tactics that FE'rs like to use with their typical responses that usually contain a question to answer a question.

You seem to use the term assumption loosely. Here is a definition:

as·sump·tion
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a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

You gave your improper use of the word even more resonance by supplying the adjective "blind". A blind assumption would be something that is blindly accepted as true, without proof.

You should know that there are 1000's of empirical truths that lend credence to idea of this planet being a sphere. A reasonable man with an appetite for understanding celestial objects might want to learn its details by making hypotheses based on observations intertwined with mathematical affirmations. When those two are used to together a striking thing happens and the ability to predict their motions give more credit to hypotheses and they move up the chain in the scientific method.

This is the realm of scientific realism which entails that the claims the theory makes are either true or false, depending on whether the entities talked about by the theory exist and are correctly described by the theory, the entities described by the scientific theory exist objectively and mind-independently and that there are reasons to believe some significant portion of what the theory says.

Do you not agree that a man that uses this method can make at least some partial claim to knowledge by going through all this effort? It certainly couldn't be a coincidence that science is such a success.

On the other hand, skepticism is something else. I am a skeptic but my fence sitting is an introductory space that I occupy until I observe and/or verify reliable information. When you aren't able to do that last part I consider you to be a denialist.

Denialism is exhibited by individuals choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid dealing with an uncomfortable truth. If some part or parts of the empirical observations are giving you information that lead syllogistically toward a conclusion using plainly true premises and there isn't an alternative explanation that also stands up to the same scrutiny of the premises then you are exhibiting denialism.

I will syllogistically give you all the premises that should lead you to think that mass is a shape making property and also do the same to show you why there is no sufficient reason to think that a body with enough mass to sustain hydrostatic equilibrium should make a plane if you'd like. After you can defend your denialist behavior.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2013, 12:01:25 AM »
You should know that there are 1000's of empirical truths that lend credence to idea of this planet being a sphere.

So why is it that you choose to make blind assumptions that the Earth is a sphere (and a planet) in this thread if you are able to prove that the Earth is a sphere?  Please, don't be shy.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2013, 12:10:11 AM »
You should know that there are 1000's of empirical truths that lend credence to idea of this planet being a sphere.

So why is it that you choose to make blind assumptions that the Earth is a sphere (and a planet) in this thread if you are able to prove that the Earth is a sphere?  Please, don't be shy.

QED. Answering skeptically to an aggressive argument with a meaningless question that ignores the meat of my post.

And again with the incorrect assumption (I'm using the word correctly) that I'm "blindly assuming" anything. Please tell me how you are so sure that I am blindly assuming anything and while you are it...

Take a second to notice that we both have positions on the earths shape that are opposite of each other. I am happy to share my reasons with you while you make no attempt to defend your position but only attempt to discredit mine with your questions that suggest I "blindly assume". It's a bit ironic that from this conversation so far it is only absolutely certain that nobody has assumed anything except for you.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2013, 06:03:03 AM »
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Um no. The earth is flat and doesnt move as the sun orbits above the earth

There is about as good a chance of that being true as there is you being capable of spelling gravity correctly. Or any word over two syllables, apparently.
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Um no. The earth is flat and doesnt move as the sun orbits above the earth

There is about as good a chance of that being true as there is you being capable of spelling gravity correctly. Or any word over two syllables, apparently.
Yeah. EJ is a troll so don't take what he says to seriously.
How am I troll? Im simpeley providing explanations prove that im a troll
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2013, 06:49:06 PM »
Trick question - there are no flat planets.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2013, 09:23:40 PM »
Trick question - there are no flat planets.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2013, 09:08:54 AM »
Trick question - there are no flat planets.

Standard FET certainly agrees with you there.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2013, 01:17:22 PM »
Trick question - there are no flat planets.

Standard FET certainly agrees with you there.

Er.. how?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2013, 01:18:44 PM »
Please read the FAQ and the wiki.  Thanks. 

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2013, 01:47:30 PM »
Trick question - there are no flat planets.

Standard FET certainly agrees with you there.

Er.. how?
The IAU (Internationel Astronomicel Union) defines a planet by three charachteristics:
1) In orbit around the sun (flat Earth is stationarey)
2) Is round (Earth of corse in our beleif is flat)
3) Has cleared the neiborhood around its orbit (flat Earth has no orbit. Its stationarey)

As you can see the flat Earth is not a planet
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2013, 07:01:07 AM »
tomstar, why would you assume that the Earth is the same as the observable planets?  No planet has the same magnetic field, amount of liquid water, or even the same composition of atmosphere.  Life has never been found on any of the observable planets.  Why should I assume that the Earth should not be special?

Because of the rules of proberbility. It would be a self indugent and ignorant assumption of mankind that our planet is special. We got lucky with the many varibles to support carbon based life forms.

Its ture that no KNOWN planet has the same properties as ours does. But what about the infinate amount of other unknown planets and the 13 odd billion years since the big bang and the possible billions and trillions of time left in our universe that again by the laws of proberbilities there are other planets which can support some sort of life, carbon, silicone or any other unknown element.

Which brings me back to the point. The Earth is not special in the grand scheme of things. So why the only flat planet?

You haven't been paying attention.  The Earth is NOT a planet according to conventional FET.  And furthermore, the rules of probability suggest it is a different kind of body, for exactly the reasons jroa gives.

I have been paying attention. You have changed the definition of a know object to fit in with a flawed theory.
For example. Im telling you i can lick my own elbow, except for this statement to work what everyone else says is an elbow isnt what i call an elbow in my elbow licking theory. Im calling my wrist an elbow. Now I can lick my 'elbow' and my theory works.

There is no reason to suggest that the Earth is different to the other planets. I.e. ROUND!

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2013, 05:03:18 PM »
tomstar, why would you assume that the Earth is the same as the observable planets?  No planet has the same magnetic field, amount of liquid water, or even the same composition of atmosphere.  Life has never been found on any of the observable planets.  Why should I assume that the Earth should not be special?

Because of the rules of proberbility. It would be a self indugent and ignorant assumption of mankind that our planet is special. We got lucky with the many varibles to support carbon based life forms.

Its ture that no KNOWN planet has the same properties as ours does. But what about the infinate amount of other unknown planets and the 13 odd billion years since the big bang and the possible billions and trillions of time left in our universe that again by the laws of proberbilities there are other planets which can support some sort of life, carbon, silicone or any other unknown element.

Which brings me back to the point. The Earth is not special in the grand scheme of things. So why the only flat planet?

You haven't been paying attention.  The Earth is NOT a planet according to conventional FET.  And furthermore, the rules of probability suggest it is a different kind of body, for exactly the reasons jroa gives.

I have been paying attention. You have changed the definition of a know object to fit in with a flawed theory.
For example. Im telling you i can lick my own elbow, except for this statement to work what everyone else says is an elbow isnt what i call an elbow in my elbow licking theory. Im calling my wrist an elbow. Now I can lick my 'elbow' and my theory works.
Im sorry. I couldnt just help but weep at the nieve and utter ignorence of your statement. We did not in anyway posible change the defanition of planet. I had explained to you above the OFFICIAL IAU rules to define a planet and the earth in our thoery does not fit even ONE of them. So we are not changing the defanition were stating what earth rely is rather than living in ignorence. Afterall planet comes from the Greek word meaning "wandering star" and our thoery puts the earth stationarey
There is no reason to suggest that the Earth is different to the other planets. I.e. ROUND!
Again earth is not a planet and I beleive I alredy explained my hipothesis to you
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2013, 05:21:16 PM »
tomstar, why would you assume that the Earth is the same as the observable planets?  No planet has the same magnetic field, amount of liquid water, or even the same composition of atmosphere.  Life has never been found on any of the observable planets.  Why should I assume that the Earth should not be special?

Because of the rules of proberbility. It would be a self indugent and ignorant assumption of mankind that our planet is special. We got lucky with the many varibles to support carbon based life forms.

Its ture that no KNOWN planet has the same properties as ours does. But what about the infinate amount of other unknown planets and the 13 odd billion years since the big bang and the possible billions and trillions of time left in our universe that again by the laws of proberbilities there are other planets which can support some sort of life, carbon, silicone or any other unknown element.

Which brings me back to the point. The Earth is not special in the grand scheme of things. So why the only flat planet?

You haven't been paying attention.  The Earth is NOT a planet according to conventional FET.  And furthermore, the rules of probability suggest it is a different kind of body, for exactly the reasons jroa gives.

I have been paying attention. You have changed the definition of a know object to fit in with a flawed theory.

Call it what you want, but if we don't consider the Earth a planet, obviously we can't answer why it's the only flat planet.  Your question is a non sequitur as far as our beliefs are concerned and therefore not even worth taking seriously.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2013, 07:31:23 PM »
I have to agree with the FEers here. While it is extremely unlikely that the earth is unique, it could be different from the planets.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2013, 07:45:56 PM »
I think the question should be rephrased. Perhaps he means 'why is Earth the only non-round celestial object in the cosmos?' I mean, granted, smaller objects like asteroids may not be round, but larger, planet sized or bigger generally are.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2013, 11:50:44 PM »
I don't think Earth is also considered as a celestial object by FEers. For them Earth is .... Earth.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #88 on: October 08, 2013, 03:37:45 AM »
I think the question should be rephrased. Perhaps he means 'why is Earth the only non-round celestial object in the cosmos?' I mean, granted, smaller objects like asteroids may not be round, but larger, planet sized or bigger generally are.
I doubt it. He just doesnt seem to proces what were trying to tell him and is trying to atack us with false acusations
I don't think Earth is also considered as a celestial object by FEers. For them Earth is .... Earth.
Excacley. Earth indeed is earth. That is the best way to describe it
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2013, 05:01:35 AM »
I think the question should be rephrased. Perhaps he means 'why is Earth the only non-round celestial object in the cosmos?' I mean, granted, smaller objects like asteroids may not be round, but larger, planet sized or bigger generally are.
I doubt it. He just doesnt seem to proces what were trying to tell him and is trying to atack us with false acusations
I don't think Earth is also considered as a celestial object by FEers. For them Earth is .... Earth.
Excacley. Earth indeed is earth. That is the best way to describe it

False acusations like the earth is round?

Ok, so (forgive me science for this sentence) the earth isnt a planet and is flat, can there be other disk shaped non planets?