Is earth the only flat planet?

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Is earth the only flat planet?
« on: October 03, 2013, 01:12:16 AM »

So going along with FET, the earth is flat and other objects in our solar system are round.

What makes earth so special? Apart from the fact it is a habitable planet we live on its in no way special from other planets or objects in the solar system or universe that are round. Even any that may have been habitable in the past so why is ours the only flat planet?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 01:52:46 AM »
Welcome to TFES. I am not an FEer but I can tell you that FEers don't consider Earth as a planet.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 02:04:00 AM »
Hey thanks.

Well what is it then?
Are there any flat 'objects' out there apart from Earth?
Why is every other object in the known universe either round or made up of circular objects?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 02:12:35 AM »
I am afraid I cannot tell more than this. You need one of FEers to explain in detail, but you must be ready to hear many different views.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 02:40:12 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 04:41:36 AM »

So going along with FET, the earth is flat and other objects in our solar system are round.

What makes earth so special? Apart from the fact it is a habitable planet we live on its in no way special from other planets or objects in the solar system or universe that are round. Even any that may have been habitable in the past so why is ours the only flat planet?
Of course there are a diversitey of views here in FES but I am an FEr so I can give you my hipothesis: I beleive Earth to be the very base of the universe created from cooling after the Big Bang. General relativitey teaches how gravitey is not a magnetic force but a dent in the universe so I see Earth as the ultimate "dent" in the universe. And since it is the base of the universe it is being pulled on by its sides by our expanding universe which causes it to stay flat. But of course I still got alot of work to do on it though
And Cartesian is right Earth is not a planet. A planet would have to move in its most basic defanition and Earth does not move. I beleive in the Tychonic system which puts the sun revolving around the earth and the planets revolving around the sun
Hey thanks.

Well what is it then?
Are there any flat 'objects' out there apart from Earth?
Why is every other object in the known universe either round or made up of circular objects?
I dont know exacley what Earth would be called
Probeley not as gravitey teaches how things round up
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 04:46:49 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?
It's not flat. It's like this...




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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 04:55:49 AM »

So going along with FET, the earth is flat and other objects in our solar system are round.

What makes earth so special? Apart from the fact it is a habitable planet we live on its in no way special from other planets or objects in the solar system or universe that are round. Even any that may have been habitable in the past so why is ours the only flat planet?
I beleive in the Tychonic system which puts the sun revolving around the earth and the planets revolving around the sun

So if the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth then when the sunrises the whole of earth is in daylight?

Why do other planets have gravity then? We know they do as they have moons in orbit.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 05:01:29 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?
It's not flat. It's like this...



So, a sphere.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 05:09:22 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?
It's not flat. It's like this...



So, a sphere.
Nope, not quite. Think of looking at it from a dome point of view and seeing earth as the coloured eye part with outer being the ice rim from inner to outer rim.

Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 06:23:24 AM »
What I am given to understand is that Earth is re: as the center of the universe. It is not a planet as you would ordinarily define the word. Rather, Earth is something wholly unique. Everything circles round us. Excelsior's explanation is the best I've seen so far.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 06:36:57 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?
It's not flat. It's like this...



It looks very spherical to me. Thanks scepti
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 06:41:13 AM »
What I am given to understand is that Earth is re: as the center of the universe. It is not a planet as you would ordinarily define the word. Rather, Earth is something wholly unique. Everything circles round us. Excelsior's explanation is the best I've seen so far.
Nothing can exist in a vacuum, unless it's equipped to seal itself against the zero psi of it, which earth does excellently, because it sorts out it's elements from heaviest to lightest.
Earth like cells can exist in suspended animation which is what the vacuum would render all cells, but we could never see them as we can not see through something that does not exist. We only see it as darkness or blackness.

Think of it like this. Imagine you had a fish bowl on your head and your friend had one on his head. Now imagine that inside this fish bowl, you have everything that earth has and it's all lit up inside the fish bowl and you can look around it. BUT, someone covers your fish bowl with dense black cloth and also does the same to your friend.

You can still see around your fish bowl environment, but you cannot see your friend who is maybe a few feet or even inches away from you.
You exist in that fish bowl and everything you see is inside that fish bowl and like wise for your friend.
You know he/she is there, only because you saw each other before the experiment.

If that was you inside earth, you can guess there could be other cells but you will never ever know, yet it doesn't stop your conscious thought from telling you there is another earth, just as your conscious thought tells you (with help from TPTB) that you can see into space, because you can see the sun/moon/stars/galaxies, yet they are all inside the fish bowl. Can you see what I'm getting at?

What we see, or think we see, is not what's really happening. It's far too hard for many people to grasp, because their heads have been crammed with numbers and fictional calculations of star distances and what not, to the point that they cannot rationally think of something like this being what earth is.

Space does not exist. All that exists is us as earth and what is within it and MAYBE other earth like cells, not necessarily the same as ours, as we see it.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 06:43:18 AM »
Any FEers out there wishing to explain?
It's not flat. It's like this...



It looks very spherical to me. Thanks scepti
Looking at it like that, I suppose it does. If you could see it at the sides, it would appear more like a hamburger bun with a sort of fish eye dome covering.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 06:51:54 AM »
Ahem... Before its worldwide show, your dome concept needs some polishing. You haven't yet adressed the reflection issue. Care to look at it?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 07:06:54 AM »
Ahem... Before its worldwide show, your dome concept needs some polishing. You haven't yet adressed the reflection issue. Care to look at it?
What reflection issue is this?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 07:22:22 AM »
You are still unable to give at least a drawing of how the reflection works. Remember ? the source, the reflection point, the destination surface, everything in fact. Illustrations are welcome there as asked previously.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 07:41:45 AM »

So the Earth is a round disk in the centre of the universe and everything else in the universe is a sphere circling around that disk. Why must people belive that the Earth is a disk?

Surely its far more likely that the Earth is a sphere like 99% of ober objects in the universe?
The jump to believing that the Earth is so different from every other body in the universe just seems so absured! Let alone the fact that were in the centre of the universe!

The Earth is only unique in that its the planet we live on and the only habitiable world we know.
Imagine if in the distant universe there is another planet where a small minority of the population believed their planet was flat and was at the centre of the universe? By the FE theroy you'd had to say they were wrong and they'd same the same about FEers here!

Surely it far more probable that Earth is just like all the other planets out there?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 07:49:38 AM »
You are still unable to give at least a drawing of how the reflection works. Remember ? the source, the reflection point, the destination surface, everything in fact. Illustrations are welcome there as asked previously.

Guys, remember that this is the questions forum, not the debate forum.  If you have something you wish to debate you should do it in the proper forum, particularly if it has nothing to do with the OP.

Anyway, @ the OP:  It is my firm opinion that every planet, the sun, and the moon are also likely flat.  If NASA is to be trusted (and I understand that that's a big "if", given how corrupt they have been shown to be on this very forum) then we have photographic evidence that at least the moon and Mars are also flat.  If this is true then I believe the fact that they appear spherical to us from Earth is due to the same effect that causes the Earth to appear spherical from very high up.

Surely its far more likely that the Earth is a sphere like 99% of ober objects in the universe?

This is a huge misstep in logic.  According to conventional FET the Earth is a very different sort of body from what we observe in the visible universe above us.  It would be fallacious to just assume that it shares the same shape as those objects.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2013, 07:57:20 AM »
Tomstar, Greeting:

As I indicated, you don't miss a beat. Your questions are entirely legitimate. I find myself leaning toward FET based on my understanding of Scripture (I am a traditional Jew). But, from a purely non-religious perspective, it does seem unusual that Earth should be the only body that is flat.  I would encourage you, however, to get hold of "Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe" by Samuel B. Rowbotham, alias "Parallax". Another good read is "Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea", by Christine Garwood. Although she is a conventional Rounder, her book is an excellent history of the belief in Flat Earth Theory. I am reading both books now, actually, and they are tasty reads, I assure you.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 08:02:57 AM »

Surely the logical answer is that Earth follows the same shape as the other nearby planets?

Say you have a bag filled with 100 objects. You pull out 99 spheres and then the 10th is a disk, it goes against the laws of probability.

Every over obserable object in our solar system and galaxy is a sphere, we have never encounted a disk shaped obect through several hundred years of observing the skys.

So why us? why is our planet the freak of the universe? Its so un probable its literally impossible

Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2013, 08:08:33 AM »
Tomstar, Greeting:

I think that you are perhaps missing one relevant point. I am not sure about FEers (Flat Earthers) today. But Parallax, Voliva, Lady Blount (all of whom you will learn about in the second book I recommended to you; both books, by the way, are available on the Nook E-reader), were all very devout Christians. Part of the reason they believed in FET is because they had a literalist interpretation of Scripture.

You might be interested in looking at the second book I mentioned, as it has in it a picture of how the ancient Hebrews viewed the world. Also, someone (I forget who) posted a picture to that affect here in the Forums (I forget which thread). But if you go through some of the more recent threads in this Forum, you will find it. Can anyone else help Tom find that picture?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2013, 08:09:40 AM »

Surely the logical answer is that Earth follows the same shape as the other nearby planets?

Say you have a bag filled with 100 objects. You pull out 99 spheres and then the 10th is a disk, it goes against the laws of probability.

Every over obserable object in our solar system and galaxy is a sphere, we have never encounted a disk shaped obect through several hundred years of observing the skys.

So why us? why is our planet the freak of the universe? Its so un probable its literally impossible

Again, you are assuming that the Earth is the same sort of body as the planets, and according to conventional FET it's not.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2013, 08:09:57 AM »
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Space does not exist.

Seems super highly unlikely. Because.........well..........we can see space. We can measure space. We can see things happening in space far away.

And by we I mean anyone. You don't need NASA to feed you calculations and tell you what is happening. You can see and do the calculations on your own.
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2013, 08:45:29 AM »
You are still unable to give at least a drawing of how the reflection works. Remember ? the source, the reflection point, the destination surface, everything in fact. Illustrations are welcome there as asked previously.
That's right and I'm working on them and in time you'll get to see them.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2013, 08:48:32 AM »
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Space does not exist.

Seems super highly unlikely. Because.........well..........we can see space. We can measure space. We can see things happening in space far away.

And by we I mean anyone. You don't need NASA to feed you calculations and tell you what is happening. You can see and do the calculations on your own.
Ok, leaving out mainstream help and using your own tools. You tell me how you can calculate and verify what is in that sky.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2013, 08:53:53 AM »
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Ok, leaving out mainstream help and using your own tools. You tell me how you can calculate and verify what is in that sky.

My eyes. A high powered telescope. Math.

I can see the stars. I can see planets. The moon and other celestial bodies.

How come FEers say using your eyes you can see the world is flat but that same logic doesn't apply to looking to the sky and seeing stuff is there?
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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2013, 08:55:17 AM »
My observation is that FEers do indeed see that things are up there. They simply believe that those things circle the Earth.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2013, 08:55:35 AM »
You are still unable to give at least a drawing of how the reflection works. Remember ? the source, the reflection point, the destination surface, everything in fact. Illustrations are welcome there as asked previously.

Guys, remember that this is the questions forum, not the debate forum.  If you have something you wish to debate you should do it in the proper forum, particularly if it has nothing to do with the OP.

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Re: Is earth the only flat planet?
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2013, 08:56:24 AM »
First of all, what motivation would all the governments and media of the world have to maintain such a curtain of deceit over everyone else in the world? It would be a massive, multi-billion dollar ongoing nightmare for governments and media to keep the lie going year after year. It just doesn't make sense that they'd want to expend such incredible resources for a conspiracy that really doesn't have much purpose.

Also, of all the people who have ever worked for a government or media and have retired, quit or been fired, it would just take a very small handful of these ex-employees to 'spill-the-beans' and tell all. Yet this has never happened. I find it hard to believe every government has been 100% successful at silencing 100% of these ex-employees over the decades.

For these two reasons alone, I opt to believe space is real.

However, there is a much larger question scepti touches upon ..

How do we know *anything* exists??? I've never been to the Antarctic, and I'm not convinced it exists. The Great Pyramids - I've not seen those either. What about history? How do I know Hitler really existed at all? Or the Roman Empire? Or all the Yankees World Series victories? Please tell me those were all faked!

What about *you*?? Do you exist?? As far as I'm concerned, you might just be part of some dream I'm having.

Unfortunately, none of this can be proven beyond a doubt to truly exist. We have to accept these things without proof.

The only thing you will ever be able to truly know without question is this: *something* exists. The exact nature of that something you can never be 100% sure - but, since you are having thoughts, then something exists.

Rene Descarte wrote about this so much more eloquently than I could possibly hope for. He wrote the famous line, "I am thinking, therefore I exist". The Latin phrase for this is well known: "Cogito ergo sum"

From the Wikipedia article about his philosophical proposition: "The simple meaning of the phrase is that someone wondering whether or not he exists is, in and of itself, proof that he does exist – at the very least, there must be an "I" who does the thinking"

What scepti touches upon is not whether this specific thing (space) exists. This is philosophical stuff about the nature of existence.