The Nastiness of Some Rounders.

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2013, 09:19:51 PM »
The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed motions. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

History's pathway favors the supernatural as the source of disease.  For most of time people have known the ill to be afflicted by demons.

*Insert anthill and observer analogy with fallacious comparison between a collective of ant brains and a single human brain*

The Germ Theory of Disease will not last forever, and once it runs it's course demons will be the accepted standard.


And now we see how ridiculous this seems swapped with another example of a fact that has entire branches of science based around it and practiced daily, and what was previously believed prior to advancements in knowledge.  I like it, personally, I think I'll start my own forum where I deny all medicines and treatments as fakes.
It sounds ridiculous because you switched it with something else, not that it is ridiculous in a different context.  It's like saying evolution is survival of the cheese snack then trying to make the argument that evolution is silly because it sounds wrong when you change things.

No, the analogy holds up.  The Earth, for the majority of human history, was thought to be flat.  This much is true, I'll grant you.  Illnesses, for the majority of human history, were thought to be sourced in supernatural causes.  If you don't believe me on that one, feel free to look into it, the Germ Theory of Disease as well as medications are a very recent development in humanity.  Moreso than even the Earth being round.

Now, follow me.  Gotham said, although entire branches of science are practiced daily and based purely around the idea that the Earth is round and the facts stemming from that, the entire idea of the Earth being round will be swept under the rug in favor a previous belief in a flat Earth that was deemed to have too little evidence.

I said, although entire brances of science are practiced daily and based purely around Germ Theory and facts stemming from that, the entire idea of germs will be swept under the rug in favor of a previous belief in supernatural entities that was deemed to have too little evidence.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2013, 09:35:37 PM »
No, it fails because your analogy compares a false thing (demon theory) to something else (flat-earth theory) then concluds the "something else" is wrong because you swapped in new words. Just because ancient man believed something that turned out to be false does not mean that everything ancient man believed is false. By this logic, lions aren't really dangerous, cliffs aren't frightening, and nothing is poisonous.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2013, 09:59:36 PM »
No, it fails because your analogy compares a false thing (demon theory) to something else (flat-earth theory) then concluds the "something else" is wrong because you swapped in new words. Just because ancient man believed something that turned out to be false does not mean that everything ancient man believed is false. By this logic, lions aren't really dangerous, cliffs aren't frightening, and nothing is poisonous.


It succeeds because it compares a false thing to another false thing, concluding that both are indeed false because modern science has entire divisions that practice something to the contrary of both regularly.  I couldn't care less that either was once believed for the majority of history, they stand on their own merits, contrary to what Gotham seems to believe.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2013, 10:04:04 PM »
We are getting far away from the subject.  We were supposed to be discussing how nasty some of the Rounders are.

However, I will agree that some people can push a person's buttons just right and bring out the worst in anyone.  Maybe we could just try to be civil we each other and discuss or debate thread topics while avoiding ad hominem attacks?  You know, like adults and all. 

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2013, 07:18:22 AM »
I think that at least some of the "nastiness" exhibited by some RE'ers is a result of the frustration of dealing with FE'ers who would rather misrepresent RET and abuse noobs than constructively address the shortcomings of FET.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2013, 10:32:28 AM »
I think that at least some of the "nastiness" exhibited by some RE'ers is a result of the frustration of dealing with FE'ers who would rather misrepresent RET and abuse noobs than constructively address the shortcomings of FET.

I might agree (there's certainly a tendency among our more trollish "FEers" to ignore and berate) except that even when such concerns are addressed perfectly the nastiness still tends to be there.  It really doesn't matter how we respond; REers will be condescending pricks one way or the other.  I fear that (with some exceptions of course) REers just seem to be bad people.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2013, 11:04:27 AM »
I think that at least some of the "nastiness" exhibited by some RE'ers is a result of the frustration of dealing with FE'ers who would rather misrepresent RET and abuse noobs than constructively address the shortcomings of FET.

I might agree (there's certainly a tendency among our more trollish "FEers" to ignore and berate) except that even when such concerns are addressed perfectly the nastiness still tends to be there.  It really doesn't matter how we respond; REers will be condescending pricks one way or the other.  I fear that (with some exceptions of course) REers just seem to be bad people.

Okay, so that's like 99.97% of the world that you consider bad people?

Anyways, I disagree that you think it doesn't matter how you respond. It certainly does. You may notice that in the last few days a new flatter by the name of "SeekerOfTruth" has shown up. He actually concedes points where he is incorrect and it's possible to have discussions with him concerning actual evidence. He is aware of what parts of RE are fact and theory and there isn't any frustration to be had in that regard. If more FE'rs knew how to have a debate there wouldn't be a problem.

Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #67 on: September 29, 2013, 11:15:35 AM »
Well, from what I have observed, there are indeed troll FEers. But my whole point is this. Rounders are here at the FES. That means they are guests in someone else's home. That being the case, politeness should be the rule. To be fair, I myself have recently gone off on a FEer who exhibits some trollirsh characteristics. So I do know that everyone has their limits. In this thread, I was simply pointing out that some of our rounders are just nasty for the sake of being nasty.

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2013, 10:26:37 PM »
Well, from what I have observed, there are indeed troll FEers. But my whole point is this. Rounders are here at the FES. That means they are guests in someone else's home. That being the case, politeness should be the rule. To be fair, I myself have recently gone off on a FEer who exhibits some trollirsh characteristics. So I do know that everyone has their limits. In this thread, I was simply pointing out that some of our rounders are just nasty for the sake of being nasty.

Quite true. When a crowd of any kind of people get together a few of the brooding types seem to float to the surface more often. That goes for people accepting evidence in favor of a round earth and those associating themselves with the Flat Earth Hypothesis.

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2013, 11:32:18 PM »
I think that at least some of the "nastiness" exhibited by some RE'ers is a result of the frustration of dealing with FE'ers who would rather misrepresent RET and abuse noobs than constructively address the shortcomings of FET.

I might agree (there's certainly a tendency among our more trollish "FEers" to ignore and berate) except that even when such concerns are addressed perfectly the nastiness still tends to be there.  It really doesn't matter how we respond; REers will be condescending pricks one way or the other.  I fear that (with some exceptions of course) REers just seem to be bad people.

Okay, so that's like 99.97% of the world that you consider bad people?

Well, no; perhaps I overstated things a bit.  For emphasis, you understand.  In fact I interact with many wonderful REers every day of my life, if you merely consider someone who is mistaken about the Earth's shape to be a REer.  For me, being a REer means something more than that; it's something I associate specifically with this website; a REer is someone so passionate about this belief that they share with 99.97% of the population that they often spend large chunks of their free time (and sometimes their paid time, I would wager) passionately debating it with the tiny minority who feel otherwise.  Maybe it's that kind of steadfast passion about the shape of the Earth in the REer that is the source of their general nastiness.  And isn't that specifically the people we're talking about in this thread when we are referring to "REers" or as Yaakov puts it "rounders" anyway?  This might explain why the occasional FEer sometimes stoops to that level from time to time as well, as Galactian observed.  FEers are nothing if not passionate, after all.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2013, 12:11:23 PM »
Admittedly not being as much an expert and not having  as much experience as many posters on this forum but it has been my observation and it seems to me that the FE's can often be as nasty or nastier than any RE. Just about any topic seems to get a lot of trolling, de-railing and often a lot of senseless, inane  and off-topic posting of "pasta" from FE's in response to some simple well known and established fact about what is  the truly "Round Earth"

For example. :The "Nastiness of Some Rounders" seems to be construed by FE's as when some "Rounder" just posts some  exact facts and fictures which contradict FE.

The big "Nastiness of Some Rounders" seem to be also that many "Rounders" are not sure whether this forum is one big hoax and one big joke simply because it is all about a so-called "Flat Earth" which seems an insane idea  to them in the first place.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2013, 03:54:19 PM »
If one picture of the globe from space can possibly just be a disc and not a "ball".............how come all of the known continents can't be seen on that disc?

You have to take more than one picture from space from other sides of the globe in order to include all the continents. If it were a disc............they'd all be there on one picture.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2013, 04:03:49 PM »
Not all of the continents are lit up at the same time, are they?  Why would you expect to see them all at the same time?

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2013, 04:05:56 PM »
It has been proven in other threads that the sun does not always make a circle of light on the earth. How come all of the pictures show a circle? (assuming that they are real and the earth is flat)
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2013, 04:39:03 PM »
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Not all of the continents are lit up at the same time, are they?  Why would you expect to see them all at the same time?

Um...........lit up?

You've got to be kidding.

Okay.......explain why I can show a photo of the globe showing north and south america by themselves and then show one of europe, africa, and a portion of asia by themselves........and on both there would be no room for the other continents even if they were "lit up".

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2013, 05:02:42 PM »
It has been proven in other threads that the sun does not always make a circle of light on the earth. How come all of the pictures show a circle? (assuming that they are real and the earth is flat)

What are you talking about?

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2013, 05:16:53 PM »
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Not all of the continents are lit up at the same time, are they?  Why would you expect to see them all at the same time?

Um...........lit up?

You've got to be kidding.

Okay.......explain why I can show a photo of the globe showing north and south america by themselves and then show one of europe, africa, and a portion of asia by themselves........and on both there would be no room for the other continents even if they were "lit up".

Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #77 on: October 04, 2013, 05:18:57 PM »
It has been proven in other threads that the sun does not always make a circle of light on the earth. How come all of the pictures show a circle? (assuming that they are real and the earth is flat)

What are you talking about?
They are saying that the earth looks like a sphere because the sun casts a circle of light on the earth. It has been shown that to light up the correct parts of the world in different seasons, the sun must cast light on the earth in shapes other than a circle. (see the thread "day and night on a flat earth" by cartesian)
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #78 on: October 04, 2013, 05:22:59 PM »
I see. I was reading that wrong. I really want to tell jroa how wrong he is right now but I'm too busy. I'll have something for you later my south american tinny.

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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #79 on: October 04, 2013, 06:00:40 PM »
Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?
Yes, we get it.  Pictures can be faked, data can be manipulated, your eyes can play tricks on you and people just plain lie all the time.  Since there is no form of evidence that can't be faked, how do you determine what is real?
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #80 on: October 04, 2013, 06:25:03 PM »
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Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?

So every photo in existence that shows the things I am talking about is fake?

Funny how that logic conveniently works for you.

I'm still interested in this "lit up" theory of yours. Would love for you to elaborate.
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Re: The Nastiness of Some Rounders.
« Reply #81 on: October 04, 2013, 07:29:31 PM »
Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?
Yes, we get it.  Pictures can be faked, data can be manipulated, your eyes can play tricks on you and people just plain lie all the time.  Since there is no form of evidence that can't be faked, how do you determine what is real?

Do you think it's possible to be a solipsist and a flat-earther?

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« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2013, 07:56:46 PM »
Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?
Yes, we get it.  Pictures can be faked, data can be manipulated, your eyes can play tricks on you and people just plain lie all the time.  Since there is no form of evidence that can't be faked, how do you determine what is real?

Do you think it's possible to be a solipsist and a flat-earther?

A solipsist is much further away from their reality. A flat earther at least acknowledges an external world. My first philosophical thoughts were solipsistic.

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« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2013, 11:44:06 PM »
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Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?

So every photo in existence that shows the things I am talking about is fake?

Funny how that logic conveniently works for you.

I'm still interested in this "lit up" theory of yours. Would love for you to elaborate.

Not in this thread.  This thread is for discussing how nasty RE'ers are.

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« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2013, 04:19:35 AM »
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Not in this thread.  This thread is for discussing how nasty RE'ers are.

So you're allowed to bring up this crazy theory on this thread but when asked to explain it........you wanna use the defense that it's off topic?

Gotcha.
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« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2013, 04:46:11 AM »
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Not in this thread.  This thread is for discussing how nasty RE'ers are.

So you're allowed to bring up this crazy theory on this thread but when asked to explain it........you wanna use the defense that it's off topic?

Gotcha.

If you make a thread to discuss what it is you do not like about what I said, I will reply to it.  Threads get derailed here very easily, and it would be best not to zig-zag from one topic to another in the same thread.  Let's try to keep one topic per thread.  Thanks.

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« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2013, 10:44:57 AM »
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Not in this thread.  This thread is for discussing how nasty RE'ers are.

So you're allowed to bring up this crazy theory on this thread but when asked to explain it........you wanna use the defense that it's off topic?

Gotcha.

If you make a thread to discuss what it is you do not like about what I said, I will reply to it.  Threads get derailed here very easily, and it would be best not to zig-zag from one topic to another in the same thread.  Let's try to keep one topic per thread.  Thanks.

It doesn't seem off topic to me. It is justification for the so called "Nastiness of RE". It seems warranted. If a RE can't offer some justification then this thread just turns into a RE bashing thread which should push it to the Angry Ranting section.

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« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2013, 05:20:03 PM »
Okay. You say FE'rs have evidence so like the 10 threads that have been made in just the last few days I'll ask again. Give me something.

Within your question lies the answer. Imagine you run a round-earth website and each week you get 10 different people all demanding that you prove to them your round-earth ideas. These 10 people will not look at the vast archives of data where you have already explained it. They want to be convinced right now. Not to mention that the come not open-minded, but with extreme prejudice to your stance and very little chance of changing their minds. And throw manners out the window in most cases while you're at it. Now, after a week you've answered 10 of these (more than one per day) after a month, 40. Two months, 80 and in just three months, 120 people have demanded you personally give them evidence and you've talked to and debated each one.

At how many posts will you stop answering?

Interestingly, there aren't any forums where people gather to try and prove the world is round, just like there are none in which people gather to testify the existence of oxygen.. there is no need for them as it would be as meaningless as discussing whether the letter 'A' is the letter 'A' or not.

The 'nastiness' is born out of a frustration from never, ever, EVER, getting an answer to any of the numerous simple questions asked of you 'FE-rs' (god it even feels ridiculous using that term). Not one straight answer, ever - if anything proves the invalidity of your ideas it's that..

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« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2013, 05:40:08 PM »
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Not all of the continents are lit up at the same time, are they?  Why would you expect to see them all at the same time?

Um...........lit up?

You've got to be kidding.

Okay.......explain why I can show a photo of the globe showing north and south america by themselves and then show one of europe, africa, and a portion of asia by themselves........and on both there would be no room for the other continents even if they were "lit up".

Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?

Can you show me that though? I reckon you can't even evidence your claims about things which you're you're only claiming are completely manufactured and artificial. Oh the irony..

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« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2013, 07:30:39 PM »
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Not all of the continents are lit up at the same time, are they?  Why would you expect to see them all at the same time?

Um...........lit up?

You've got to be kidding.

Okay.......explain why I can show a photo of the globe showing north and south america by themselves and then show one of europe, africa, and a portion of asia by themselves........and on both there would be no room for the other continents even if they were "lit up".

Photos can be manipulated to show anything a person wants it to show.  I can show you a picture of the Earth with a continent shaped like Elvis if I want.  It does not mean that it is real, does it?

On that basis, no photo has ever been real. Not one, as they could all have been manipulated (and so MUST HAVE BEEN).

You MUST be a troll and, to give you your dues, a bloody good one.