The Nastiness of Some Rounders.

Rotting, greeting:

I find so far, that FET and RET are able to explain various phenomena well. I still have yet to determine which does so best, but each of them has their points to make. I have found that a healthy agnosticism seems to work best, at least for now. I don't find the FEers to be dishonest, merely that they see the world differently than you do.

I think if you carefully trod through all the links that I have posted through this thread then you'll find exactly what I said. You'll find abandoned threads. You'll find threads where FE'rs "add epicycles" to support their claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle#Slang_for_bad_science

You'll also notice that RE evidence elegantly interlocks, with every individual phenomenon providing backup and support to the others, whereas each piece of FE "evidence" stands alone, requiring extra laws of physics (which can never be detected in any other circumstance) or extra bodies just to make things work. None back up any of the others.

I have observed that the RET does conveniently explain a lot. The FET requires extra explanation than RET. But, then again, the laws of science do not always follow what I would define as logical rules. Until I learn more about FET, I am unwilling to throw it out. Admittedly, my knowledge of science is not as good as my knowledge of history. But, I shall follow your threads later tonight or in the morning. I shall have to come back here to do that.  The one thing that RET does better than FET in my opinion is that it seems to fit with Occam's Razor. It is, at least in may cases, the simplest answer to various questions regarding the world and the universe around us. But, in science, the simplest answer is NOT always the correct one. I am uncertain whether Occam's Razor is even appropriate to apply here.

For now, I should log off. I shall try to get on from my phone later tonight. For now I need to get home and get something to eat! Salutations, all.

You're correct, respect is extremely important.  It's also something earned and lost in the eyes of the giver.  To many proponents of the standard model on this forum, all FE have done is lose themselves respect in many ways.  Lunatics and trolls deserve very little respect, and most of the homefield on this site appears to fall into one category or the other from where I stand. 

Then ignore the posts you think are from "lunatics and trolls" and respond to the legit ones.  It's really very simple.

Quote from: Pongo on September 26, 2013, 01:11:39 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on September 26, 2013, 12:57:30 PM

Okay. You say FE'rs have evidence so like the 10 threads that have been made in just the last few days I'll ask again. Give me something.

Within your question lies the answer. Imagine you run a round-earth website and each week you get 10 different people all demanding that you prove to them your round-earth ideas. These 10 people will not look at the vast archives of data where you have already explained it. They want to be convinced right now. Not to mention that they come not open-minded, but with extreme prejudice to your stance and very little chance of changing their minds. And throw manners out the window in most cases while you're at it. Now, after a week you've answered 10 of these (more than one per day) after a month, 40. Two months, 80 and in just three months, 120 people have demanded you personally give them evidence and you've talked to and debated each one.

At how many posts will you stop answering?

I have actually looked at lots of threads. I have yet to see any real evidence other then an experiment with debatable results.

Yes, you clearly fall into the "they come not open-minded, but with extreme prejudice to your stance and very little chance of changing their minds" category.

Quote from: Pyrolizard on September 26, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

You're correct, respect is extremely important.  It's also something earned and lost in the eyes of the giver.  To many proponents of the standard model on this forum, all FE have done is lose themselves respect in many ways.  Lunatics and trolls deserve very little respect, and most of the homefield on this site appears to fall into one category or the other from where I stand. 

Then ignore the posts you think are from "lunatics and trolls" and respond to the legit ones.  It's really very simple.

So none of them in the upper boards, then?  Kind of defeats the purpose of being here to learn and educate, doesn't it?

Quote from: REphoenix on September 26, 2013, 01:15:48 PM

Quote from: Pongo on September 26, 2013, 01:11:39 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on September 26, 2013, 12:57:30 PM

Okay. You say FE'rs have evidence so like the 10 threads that have been made in just the last few days I'll ask again. Give me something.

Within your question lies the answer. Imagine you run a round-earth website and each week you get 10 different people all demanding that you prove to them your round-earth ideas. These 10 people will not look at the vast archives of data where you have already explained it. They want to be convinced right now. Not to mention that they come not open-minded, but with extreme prejudice to your stance and very little chance of changing their minds. And throw manners out the window in most cases while you're at it. Now, after a week you've answered 10 of these (more than one per day) after a month, 40. Two months, 80 and in just three months, 120 people have demanded you personally give them evidence and you've talked to and debated each one.

At how many posts will you stop answering?

I have actually looked at lots of threads. I have yet to see any real evidence other then an experiment with debatable results.

Yes, you clearly fall into the "they come not open-minded, but with extreme prejudice to your stance and very little chance of changing their minds" category.

I don't believe anything unless you can back it up with actual evidence. If you could provide enough then I would be happy to change my mind. I am fine with accepting that I was wrong. The thing is, you actually have to prove that I am wrong.

I think the point being made here is that Rounders cannot PROVE their case any more than Flatters can, but their arrogance and rudeness seem to bely that.

I think the point being made here is that Rounders cannot PROVE their case any more than Flatters can, but their arrogance and rudeness seem to bely that.

If your definition of proof isn't satisfied by pictures and observations that are compatible with mathematics then I suggest you become an astronaut. This is an internet forum. No evidence can be provided apart from images and explanation, all of which is provided by RE and vehemently denied by FE.

Greetings!

I am uncertain if this topic belongs in Q and A, or Debate, but I shall put it here for now. The Mods can always decide to move it later, if they feel the need.

My point for writing is the observation that a lot of Round Earthers are downright nasty to the Flat Earthers on this site. It seems to me that common courtesy should prevail in any given conversation, even between persons who disagree with each other. Furthermore, I might note that the website is the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. In other words, it was created and is maintained by persons who believe that the Earth is Flat. Whether they are right or wrong, it seems to me that persons who disagree with that belief (ie, persons who believe the Earth is round like a ball) are guests of the Flat Earth Society when visiting this site. When you are a guest in someone else's home, it seems that the first rule of thumb is to be courteous and polite to them.

I'm not saying that one can't have ferocious debates between FEers and REers. Of course they can. But the use of abusive language seems to me to be something that only the Rounders do, and wholly unnecessary.

Perhaps I am being too sensitive. But to me, respect is important. And I have found many Rounders who seem to lack that basic sense of what constitutes good behaviour. Just thought I would vent about that a bit. As readers here know, I am not yet a Flatter, but I am not a Rounder either. I am exploring both theories, and will make my decision which side to agree with based on a study of the evidence. But I do admit that in this post, I am definitely siding with Flatters. I hope I made sense in my writing. Thanks.

I totaley agree. I can to even tell you how many times ive had to deal with rounders abusing and insulting me. And yes I see a double standerd here as well as when rounders insult me im just a petty moron and they have all right to do so while when I insult them back im the one being rude and breaking the rules (for Lords sake they even have rounders as mods here to!!). I have alreadey been banned for a week two times by rounder mods because I was defending myself

Quote from: Yaakov ben Avraham on September 26, 2013, 12:30:58 PM

Greetings!

I am uncertain if this topic belongs in Q and A, or Debate, but I shall put it here for now. The Mods can always decide to move it later, if they feel the need.

My point for writing is the observation that a lot of Round Earthers are downright nasty to the Flat Earthers on this site. It seems to me that common courtesy should prevail in any given conversation, even between persons who disagree with each other. Furthermore, I might note that the website is the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. In other words, it was created and is maintained by persons who believe that the Earth is Flat. Whether they are right or wrong, it seems to me that persons who disagree with that belief (ie, persons who believe the Earth is round like a ball) are guests of the Flat Earth Society when visiting this site. When you are a guest in someone else's home, it seems that the first rule of thumb is to be courteous and polite to them.

I'm not saying that one can't have ferocious debates between FEers and REers. Of course they can. But the use of abusive language seems to me to be something that only the Rounders do, and wholly unnecessary.

Perhaps I am being too sensitive. But to me, respect is important. And I have found many Rounders who seem to lack that basic sense of what constitutes good behaviour. Just thought I would vent about that a bit. As readers here know, I am not yet a Flatter, but I am not a Rounder either. I am exploring both theories, and will make my decision which side to agree with based on a study of the evidence. But I do admit that in this post, I am definitely siding with Flatters. I hope I made sense in my writing. Thanks.

I totaley agree. I can to even tell you how many times ive had to deal with rounders abusing and insulting me. And yes I see a double standerd here as well as when rounders insult me im just a petty moron and they have all right to do so while when I insult them back im the one being rude and breaking the rules (for Lords sake they even have rounders as mods here to!!). I have alreadey been banned for a week two times by rounder mods because I was defending myself

You were banned by flatter mods. Markjo is the only rounder around here who ever was a mod and he isn't one now.

Quote from: Yaakov ben Avraham on September 26, 2013, 12:30:58 PM

Greetings!

I am uncertain if this topic belongs in Q and A, or Debate, but I shall put it here for now. The Mods can always decide to move it later, if they feel the need.

My point for writing is the observation that a lot of Round Earthers are downright nasty to the Flat Earthers on this site. It seems to me that common courtesy should prevail in any given conversation, even between persons who disagree with each other. Furthermore, I might note that the website is the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. In other words, it was created and is maintained by persons who believe that the Earth is Flat. Whether they are right or wrong, it seems to me that persons who disagree with that belief (ie, persons who believe the Earth is round like a ball) are guests of the Flat Earth Society when visiting this site. When you are a guest in someone else's home, it seems that the first rule of thumb is to be courteous and polite to them.

I'm not saying that one can't have ferocious debates between FEers and REers. Of course they can. But the use of abusive language seems to me to be something that only the Rounders do, and wholly unnecessary.

Perhaps I am being too sensitive. But to me, respect is important. And I have found many Rounders who seem to lack that basic sense of what constitutes good behaviour. Just thought I would vent about that a bit. As readers here know, I am not yet a Flatter, but I am not a Rounder either. I am exploring both theories, and will make my decision which side to agree with based on a study of the evidence. But I do admit that in this post, I am definitely siding with Flatters. I hope I made sense in my writing. Thanks.

I totaley agree. I can to even tell you how many times ive had to deal with rounders abusing and insulting me. And yes I see a double standerd here as well as when rounders insult me im just a petty moron and they have all right to do so while when I insult them back im the one being rude and breaking the rules (for Lords sake they even have rounders as mods here to!!). I have alreadey been banned for a week two times by rounder mods because I was defending myself

1. There are currently no RE mods.
2. You were banned by FE mods because you were insulting people, raging and trolling.

Quote from: Excelsior John on September 26, 2013, 04:41:30 PM

Quote from: Yaakov ben Avraham on September 26, 2013, 12:30:58 PM

Greetings!

I am uncertain if this topic belongs in Q and A, or Debate, but I shall put it here for now. The Mods can always decide to move it later, if they feel the need.

My point for writing is the observation that a lot of Round Earthers are downright nasty to the Flat Earthers on this site. It seems to me that common courtesy should prevail in any given conversation, even between persons who disagree with each other. Furthermore, I might note that the website is the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. In other words, it was created and is maintained by persons who believe that the Earth is Flat. Whether they are right or wrong, it seems to me that persons who disagree with that belief (ie, persons who believe the Earth is round like a ball) are guests of the Flat Earth Society when visiting this site. When you are a guest in someone else's home, it seems that the first rule of thumb is to be courteous and polite to them.

I'm not saying that one can't have ferocious debates between FEers and REers. Of course they can. But the use of abusive language seems to me to be something that only the Rounders do, and wholly unnecessary.

Perhaps I am being too sensitive. But to me, respect is important. And I have found many Rounders who seem to lack that basic sense of what constitutes good behaviour. Just thought I would vent about that a bit. As readers here know, I am not yet a Flatter, but I am not a Rounder either. I am exploring both theories, and will make my decision which side to agree with based on a study of the evidence. But I do admit that in this post, I am definitely siding with Flatters. I hope I made sense in my writing. Thanks.

I totaley agree. I can to even tell you how many times ive had to deal with rounders abusing and insulting me. And yes I see a double standerd here as well as when rounders insult me im just a petty moron and they have all right to do so while when I insult them back im the one being rude and breaking the rules (for Lords sake they even have rounders as mods here to!!). I have alreadey been banned for a week two times by rounder mods because I was defending myself

You were banned by flatter mods. Markjo is the only rounder around here who ever was a mod and he isn't one now.

Isnt jroa a rounder?

Quote from: Excelsior John on September 26, 2013, 04:41:30 PM

Quote from: Yaakov ben Avraham on September 26, 2013, 12:30:58 PM

Greetings!

I am uncertain if this topic belongs in Q and A, or Debate, but I shall put it here for now. The Mods can always decide to move it later, if they feel the need.

My point for writing is the observation that a lot of Round Earthers are downright nasty to the Flat Earthers on this site. It seems to me that common courtesy should prevail in any given conversation, even between persons who disagree with each other. Furthermore, I might note that the website is the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. In other words, it was created and is maintained by persons who believe that the Earth is Flat. Whether they are right or wrong, it seems to me that persons who disagree with that belief (ie, persons who believe the Earth is round like a ball) are guests of the Flat Earth Society when visiting this site. When you are a guest in someone else's home, it seems that the first rule of thumb is to be courteous and polite to them.

I'm not saying that one can't have ferocious debates between FEers and REers. Of course they can. But the use of abusive language seems to me to be something that only the Rounders do, and wholly unnecessary.

Perhaps I am being too sensitive. But to me, respect is important. And I have found many Rounders who seem to lack that basic sense of what constitutes good behaviour. Just thought I would vent about that a bit. As readers here know, I am not yet a Flatter, but I am not a Rounder either. I am exploring both theories, and will make my decision which side to agree with based on a study of the evidence. But I do admit that in this post, I am definitely siding with Flatters. I hope I made sense in my writing. Thanks.

I totaley agree. I can to even tell you how many times ive had to deal with rounders abusing and insulting me. And yes I see a double standerd here as well as when rounders insult me im just a petty moron and they have all right to do so while when I insult them back im the one being rude and breaking the rules (for Lords sake they even have rounders as mods here to!!). I have alreadey been banned for a week two times by rounder mods because I was defending myself

1. There are currently no RE mods.
2. You were banned by FE mods because you were insulting people, raging and trolling.

1. Jroa?
2. I was insulting people because they were insulting me (again with the double standerd) I wasnt raging. And of corse the traditionel trolling acusations

This thread should be moved to FEG probably.

jroa is quite obviously FE

Agreed. This should be in FEG.

Well, if anybody wants to move the thread, feel free. Maybe you already have my phone doesn't indicate.

Now I see that you have. Ok. Cool with me.

Yes, to quote from FEG rules:

"If you wish to discuss Flat Earth Theory itself, you should go to Flat Earth Q&A or Flat Earth Debate."

Works for me.

What would make people think I am an RE'er?  I take offense to this unfounded label. 

You don't.  You get a more comprehensive FAQ, direct them to that, and address any further issues as they come.

Unfortunately, no one with the authority to do that will actually bother, and the ones that did bother are now either inactive or not in Daniel's good books. The only recent FAQ reform we had involved removing useful questions.

Quote from: Pyrolizard on September 26, 2013, 01:28:51 PM

You don't.  You get a more comprehensive FAQ, direct them to that, and address any further issues as they come.

Unfortunately, no one with the authority to do that will actually bother, and the ones that did bother are now either inactive or not in Daniel's good books. The only recent FAQ reform we had involved removing useful questions.

Ideally, how would you like the FAQ to look?

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed motions. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

Quote from: FlatOrange on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed tasks. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

You know what would help?
1. ONE theory instead of one for each FE.
2. Actual evidence.
Good luck.

Quote from: FlatOrange on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed motions. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

Don't worry, I understand that your mind is easily persuaded by ideas expressed by passionate people that are all about rejecting society.  It's not your fault.

Quote from: FlatOrange on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed motions. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

History's pathway favors the supernatural as the source of disease.  For most of time people have known the ill to be afflicted by demons.

*Insert anthill and observer analogy with fallacious comparison between a collective of ant brains and a single human brain*

The Germ Theory of Disease will not last forever, and once it runs it's course demons will be the accepted standard.


And now we see how ridiculous this seems swapped with another example of a fact that has entire branches of science based around it and practiced daily, and what was previously believed prior to advancements in knowledge.  I like it, personally, I think I'll start my own forum where I deny all medicines and treatments as fakes.

Btw what I meant by "history" was what we've learned from our ancestors.  History had the flat earth idea, who cares how long it lasted, we settled the discussion. Everyone that wants to teach their child what history has taught us will teach them the Earth is round.  If you want to reject what history has taught us, teach them the Earth is flat and that everyone else is wrong.

Quote from: gotham on September 28, 2013, 06:51:12 PM

Quote from: FlatOrange on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM

The underlying premise of FET is that civilization and history is ultimately wrong and not only wrong due to lack of knowledge but also greedy liars who value a dollar over truth, a good career, and even love to lie to kids and make them think they can be astronauts.

If a round earther isn't bitter about that then they've taken into consideration the impressionable state-of-mind of the flat earther.

History's pathway favors FET. For most of time people have know the Earth to be flat.

RET resembles an ant hill blocking this path. Observe an ant hill and notice how its functionality is not unlike everything RET with the commonality of tasks occurring in a flurry of pre-programmed motions. Ironically, a colony of 40,000 ants (the observed) has collectively the same size brain as a human (the observer). 
 
An ant hill does not last forever and once it has run its course FET will be the accepted standard.

History's pathway favors the supernatural as the source of disease.  For most of time people have known the ill to be afflicted by demons.

*Insert anthill and observer analogy with fallacious comparison between a collective of ant brains and a single human brain*

The Germ Theory of Disease will not last forever, and once it runs it's course demons will be the accepted standard.


And now we see how ridiculous this seems swapped with another example of a fact that has entire branches of science based around it and practiced daily, and what was previously believed prior to advancements in knowledge.  I like it, personally, I think I'll start my own forum where I deny all medicines and treatments as fakes.

It sounds ridiculous because you switched it with something else, not that it is ridiculous in a different context.  It's like saying evolution is survival of the cheese snack then trying to make the argument that evolution is silly because it sounds wrong when you change things.