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Re: Moderation
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2013, 11:17:41 AM »
Can you post the link please? This the point I am trying to make that you should make every point you say in arguments with links to the evidence and credible sources. This frequently does not happen with FE'ers.

Here you go.  Bear in mind that Thork (Ævan) used to be a Curator.  I am not as direct with him as I am with the noobs because he knows what I am saying. 

Thork, you are so jelly.  Maybe if you were not so terrible, you might be a mod also.  Now, do you have anything constructive to add, or are you just here to be terrible?



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Re: Moderation
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2013, 11:31:12 AM »
Everyone knows round Earth theory.  Why do you feel the need to spew it here?  You are not telling us anything new.

Because not everybody who visits the forum has educated themselves beyond high-school level.  Many things in the mainstream theory aren't covered in high-school, and many visitors likely won't see a need to research any further into the mainstream model, thinking they know in depth enough to make a judgement call effectively.
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2013, 11:35:23 AM »
Because not everybody who visits the forum has educated themselves beyond high-school level.  Many things in the mainstream theory aren't covered in high-school, and many visitors likely won't see a need to research any further into the mainstream model, thinking they know in depth enough to make a judgement call effectively.
"Everyone is dumb except me, it's my civic duty to save other people from their dumbness"

It's like every RE'er on this forum thinks they're the one magical person in the world that looks things up on Wikipedia to explain away FET.

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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2013, 11:38:36 AM »
Seriously, everyone knows round Earth theory.  Even flat Earthers were taught RET.  We don't come here for you to teach it to us.  And, noobs don't come here for you to teach it to them.  They come here because it is The Flat Earth Society.  They want to learn about Flat Earth Theory.  They can go to a thousand other places to learn about Round Earth Theory. 

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2013, 12:08:09 PM »
Seriously, everyone knows round Earth theory.  Even flat Earthers were taught RET.  We don't come here for you to teach it to us.  And, noobs don't come here for you to teach it to them.  They come here because it is The Flat Earth Society.  They want to learn about Flat Earth Theory.  They can go to a thousand other places to learn about Round Earth Theory.

And when a perceived flaw is pointed out in the standard model, and nobody says a word about it, it ought not be corrected?  It's already been said, but that sounds a bit more like indoctrination than education.  It's hardly our fault that the majority of flat Earth models are based on flaws in RE models that don't actually exist.



Because not everybody who visits the forum has educated themselves beyond high-school level.  Many things in the mainstream theory aren't covered in high-school, and many visitors likely won't see a need to research any further into the mainstream model, thinking they know in depth enough to make a judgement call effectively.

It's like every RE'er on this forum thinks they're the one magical person in the world that looks things up on Wikipedia to explain away FET.

Not at all.  If a point hasn't been acknowledged in a relevant thread, even though the point may be crucial to why FE models fall short, then it's pointed out.  Often by multiple people, but that just shows that education is important to everyone.  Well, every who subscribes to the standard model, at least.



"Everyone is dumb except me, it's my civic duty to save other people from their dumbness"

Have some sort of problem with a sense of duty to one's fellow man, not to let them fall into falsehoods?  I think I can speak for at least the majority of my side on the forums in saying, we don't think we're the only smart ones.  We do, however, think that there are those who don't care enough to actively search out information if they feel they know enough.  If we inform a hundred people who do care enough, and only one that didn't, then all the redundancy is worth it.

I, personally, feel this for the simple fact that I've witnessed it many times.  Even in myself occasionally, in regards to certain specific topics.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2013, 12:10:45 PM »
Have some sort of problem with a sense of duty to one's fellow man, not to let them fall into falsehoods?  I think I can speak for at least the majority of my side on the forums in saying, we don't think we're the only smart ones.  We do, however, think that there are those who don't care enough to actively search out information if they feel they know enough.  If we inform a hundred people who do care enough, and only one that didn't, then all the redundancy is worth it.

I, personally, feel this for the simple fact that I've witnessed it many times.  Even in myself occasionally, in regards to certain specific topics.

Quite right. Only it seems you're stuck in a falsehood and seem quite content to ensure others remain the same.

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2013, 12:23:22 PM »
Have some sort of problem with a sense of duty to one's fellow man, not to let them fall into falsehoods?  I think I can speak for at least the majority of my side on the forums in saying, we don't think we're the only smart ones.  We do, however, think that there are those who don't care enough to actively search out information if they feel they know enough.  If we inform a hundred people who do care enough, and only one that didn't, then all the redundancy is worth it.

I, personally, feel this for the simple fact that I've witnessed it many times.  Even in myself occasionally, in regards to certain specific topics.

Quite right. Only it seems you're stuck in a falsehood and seem quite content to ensure others remain the same.

You're free to hold that position regardless of the facts.  I'm just elaborating as to why Q&A threads can often turn into debates, to the best of my ability.
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2013, 12:24:59 PM »
You're free to hold that position regardless of the facts. 

Passive aggressive remarks like this are why we care so little about your opinion.

I'm just elaborating as to why Q&A threads can often turn into debates, to the best of my ability.

Then we'll continue to elaborate how debating in Q&A threads will get you banned.

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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2013, 12:35:00 PM »
You're free to hold that position regardless of the facts. 

Passive aggressive remarks like this are why we care so little about your opinion.

Couldn't care less what you think about my opinion, even if I tried.

I'm just elaborating as to why Q&A threads can often turn into debates, to the best of my ability.

Then we'll continue to elaborate how debating in Q&A threads will get you banned.

Feel free, I'm not attempting to stop that.  I'm just giving a potential reason that it happens.
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2013, 01:20:03 PM »
Seriously, everyone knows round Earth theory.  Even flat Earthers were taught RET.  We don't come here for you to teach it to us.  And, noobs don't come here for you to teach it to them.  They come here because it is The Flat Earth Society.  They want to learn about Flat Earth Theory.  They can go to a thousand other places to learn about Round Earth Theory.

I don't agree. I don't deny that indoctrination happens but the claim FE'rs make is that that indoctrination is incorrect. Most people don't know specifically why the accepted view is that the earth is round. I have no doubt that people come here after being taught the earth is round and are gullible. They come here on the interest that any of this could be true after never taking a shot at learning why we have the mainstream views we do. Some people have a distrust in the government and are ready to call conspiracy to everything even without the slightest bit of evidence. I think this forum spreads stupidity. There is nothing zetetic about this forum. Just lots of assumptions, lack of evidence and a lack of desire to explore.

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2013, 01:29:52 PM »
Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.

Then why should anyone believe what you say??
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2013, 01:41:50 PM »
danger2007, what you continuously fail to understand is that no one here has to put up with you or defend their case. This forum's purpose is not to try and satisfy the needs of everyone that comes with questions. We try to be accommodating, but there are limits to that.

This is the Flat Earth Society, not the Argue With RE'ers Society.

I'm going to have to refer you back to my previous point  - What do you expect???

If you care so much about this you simply must be able to defend it and be willing to. Why do you believe in the earth being flat yourself if your unwilling and unable to adequately defend it?? By blindly believing in something your just cheating yourself.

You apply so much critique to all RE material and mainstream proven science, why are you not applying it to your own sources?? In the below thread Evan quotes a source from Galileo, and RE scientist. But decides not to mention that this was later shown to be incorrect.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59553.0.html#.Uj9ZlYbvvO0

Has he ignored this fact or is he not even reading the full text?? How can you believe in something that you don't have the full facts on??

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2013, 02:08:17 PM »
Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.

Then why should anyone believe what you say??
You fail. I'm pretty sure he is joking about the fact you REers always are dying for backup claims to our ideas.
Don't worry, there are millions of websites that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas...

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2013, 02:22:10 PM »
Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.

Then why should anyone believe what you say??
You fail. I'm pretty sure he is joking about the fact you REers always are dying for backup claims to our ideas.
Don't worry, there are millions of websites that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas...

Joking or not my point stands, where are these links? On top of that where's the credibility?
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« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2013, 02:24:16 PM »
Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.

Then why should anyone believe what you say??
You fail. I'm pretty sure he is joking about the fact you REers always are dying for backup claims to our ideas.
Don't worry, there are millions of websites, etc. that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas...

Joking or not my point stands, where are these links? On top of that where's the credibility?
"Don't worry, there are millions of websites, etc. that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas..."

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Re: Moderation
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2013, 02:31:11 PM »
Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.

Then why should anyone believe what you say??
You fail. I'm pretty sure he is joking about the fact you REers always are dying for backup claims to our ideas.
Don't worry, there are millions of websites, etc. that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas...

Joking or not my point stands, where are these links? On top of that where's the credibility?
"Don't worry, there are millions of websites, etc. that also believe in FE for us to backup our ideas..."

Why is that in inverted comma's?? Let's see them, you should be checking their credibility for yourself not just people like me. Why should you believe something with no credible evidence for it??

Also this "You fail. I'm pretty sure he is joking about the fact you REers always are dying for backup claims to our ideas."

Is exactly the rudeness I was talking about.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2013, 02:45:13 PM »
This is a serious forum, danger2007.  Please treat it as such.

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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2013, 02:49:23 PM »
This is a serious forum, danger2007.  Please treat it as such.

I'm very much serious. Where have you got the idea that I'm not? As a moderator you should at least quote what statement caused you to say this.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2013, 03:03:39 PM »
Did someone post a link to TFES on an autism forum?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2013, 03:06:58 PM »
Did someone post a link to TFES on an autism forum?

Are you implying I'm autistic??? This is grossly offensive to me and anyone who actually has autism.

You should be banned if this is the case.
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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2013, 03:20:14 PM »
Are you implying I'm autistic???

Well, are you?

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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2013, 03:22:14 PM »
No I'm not.

And if I was how does that relate to the questions I'm asking?? They're perfectly legitimate.

Moderators should be at the very least warning people for comments like that. They make the whole FE movement look like a bunch of trolls, you should be embarrassed.
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2013, 03:25:06 PM »
Danger, I have no clue what they are talking about with the accusations of autism either. It is offensive.

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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2013, 03:27:27 PM »
Danger, I have no clue what they are talking about with the accusations of autism either. It is offensive.

I take offense that you are taking offense to things you yourself made up in the first place. You're pretending people are making accusations and then being offended by your pretend accusations. I mean, that's hilarious, but pretty sad.

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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2013, 03:28:24 PM »
People, just stop it.  If danger2007 has autism, it is not his fault.  Please look for other reasons to tease him other than whether or not he is autistic.

Let's get this back on track.

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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2013, 03:31:05 PM »
There's really nothing more to talk about in this thread, it should probably be locked (considering where it's heading). The moderation has vastly improved since my initial baw thread here. Basically I baw'd for more moderation and now the RE'ers are upset they're being moderated. It's hysterical.

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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2013, 03:31:49 PM »
Did someone post a link to TFES on an autism forum?

Are you implying I'm autistic??? This is grossly offensive to me and anyone who actually has autism.

You should be banned if this is the case.

Are you this much fun on every forum you join? You've joined TFES, and you seem to hate TFES. I don't get it.

jroa has been really fair in his moderation. He admits when he makes a mistake and seems to do whatever he can to keep the peace around here. You've been nothing but rude and hateful towards him, for no good reason.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2013, 03:38:33 PM »
Danger, I have no clue what they are talking about with the accusations of autism either. It is offensive.

I take offense that you are taking offense to things you yourself made up in the first place. You're pretending people are making accusations and then being offended by your pretend accusations. I mean, that's hilarious, but pretty sad.

I asked if the comment was aimed at me, and you then asked directly. I take offense to that, because not only am I not, but your implying autism is some form of stupidity, it isn't. An autistic person would find this offensive the same way they would if you called them a retard. The fact you find it so hilarious makes the entire thing worse. Your a disgusting human being.

I'd like both of you banned.

Did someone post a link to TFES on an autism forum?

Are you implying I'm autistic??? This is grossly offensive to me and anyone who actually has autism.

You should be banned if this is the case.

Are you this much fun on every forum you join? You've joined TFES, and you seem to hate TFES. I don't get it.

jroa has been really fair in his moderation. He admits when he makes a mistake and seems to do whatever he can to keep the peace around here. You've been nothing but rude and hateful towards him, for no good reason.


You should try visiting the Kerbal Space Program forum. I'm way more fun on there, mainly because people aren't offensive.

I'd like this thread kept open so Adolf Hipster can answer my questions on critiquing sources. Move it to the General section if you must.

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People, just stop it.  If danger2007 has autism, it is not his fault.  Please look for other reasons to tease him other than whether or not he is autistic.

Let's get this back on track.

Nobody should be teasing eachother at all. I thought this was a forum for civilized debate?? This is exactly the point I was making about bias moderation.
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Re: Moderation
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2013, 03:38:43 PM »
Did someone post a link to TFES on an autism forum?

Are you implying I'm autistic??? This is grossly offensive to me and anyone who actually has autism.

You should be banned if this is the case.

Are you this much fun on every forum you join? You've joined TFES, and you seem to hate TFES. I don't get it.

jroa has been really fair in his moderation. He admits when he makes a mistake and seems to do whatever he can to keep the peace around here. You've been nothing but rude and hateful towards him, for no good reason.

Do you expect people that are here to love TFES? There is a debate section. This implies an expectation that people are here who disagree with TFES. Do you think making childish remarks about a disease like autism is OK?

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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2013, 03:42:29 PM »
I asked if the comment was aimed at me, and you then asked directly. I take offense to that, because not only am I not, but your implying autism is some form of stupidity, it isn't. An autistic person would find this offensive the same way they would if you called them a retard. The fact you find it so hilarious makes the entire thing worse. Your a disgusting human being.

I'd like both of you banned.

You're pretending people are making accusations and then being offended by your pretend accusations. I mean, that's hilarious, but pretty sad.

I don't see any big words in this post, I'm not sure how you didn't understand what was being said.