Flat Earth Forums Are A Moderation Wasteland

Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.

Once the site bugs get fixed, what if mods could ban people from specific fora?  That way anyone, FE or RE, could participate in Q & A but if they make a habit of trying to start debate then they can't post in Q&A, just the debate and general fora.

In short, a milder form of purgatory.

Once the site bugs get fixed, what if mods could ban people from specific fora?  That way anyone, FE or RE, could participate in Q & A but if they make a habit of trying to start debate then they can't post in Q&A, just the debate and general fora.

In short, a milder form of purgatory.

Or again, just move threads that you feel belong in debate. You do it all the time with AR and CN.

Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.

There is a difference in asking more questions in reference to the answer given and debating it.  I can tell you'll never see the point I'm making, so I say let's see some heavy moderating in there and let people learn from experience what the difference between questions and debates is.

Put the difference in religious context.  When you want to learn about a religion just for the sake of education and awareness, you just try to learn their principles and beliefs (this is what Q & A is for). 

If you want to argue the religion's claims, then you are debating, with the general intention of trying to undermine the beliefs (debate fora).

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:11:41 PM

Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.

There is a difference in asking more questions in reference to the answer given and debating it.  I can tell you'll never see the point I'm making, so I say let's see some heavy moderating in there and let people learn from experience what the difference between questions and debates is.

I understand that there is a difference between clarifying and debating. But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it if it can be proven wrong.

Put the difference in religious context.  When you want to learn about a religion just for the sake of education and awareness, you just try to learn their principles and beliefs (this is what Q & A is for). 

If you want to argue the religion's claims, then you are debating, with the general intention of trying to undermine the beliefs (debate fora).

I understand this. See above.

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 12:07:24 PM

markjo, do you even understand what the difference is between asking a question and debating a topic?

Why shouldn't asking a question naturally lead to discussing the answer?  Are we to simply let an answer stand with no scrutiny whatsoever?  Questions get asked in debate threads and debate happens in Q&A threads.  It's the natural course of discussion.  Get over it.

Discussion as a result of the question being answered will probably happen. However, Q&A is for questions, not debate. If you want to discuss, start another thread in FE Debate.

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.

Then start another thread in FE Debate.

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:34:09 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.

Then start another thread in FE Debate.

So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.

It seems so simple.  Just start a topic in debate.  What do you not understand?

Quote from: Adolf Hipster on September 13, 2013, 01:36:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:34:09 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.

Then start another thread in FE Debate.

So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.

You asked a question, it was answered. Then, you try to debate it.
It doesn't work like that.  You make a Q&A thread for your question. Then if you want to debate the answer, start a Debate thread.

It seems so simple.  Just start a topic in debate.  What do you not understand?

If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:40:08 PM

It seems so simple.  Just start a topic in debate.  What do you not understand?

If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.

That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.

Instead of being lazy and asking others to do work for you, you could create a thread yourself.   I suppose that's too much work for the poster though.

Quote from: Adolf Hipster on September 13, 2013, 01:36:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:34:09 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:27:28 PM

But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...

You can, in the debate forum.

So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.

You don't have to make two threads.  If you want to debate, then put it in FED.  You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.

I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.

Then start another thread in FE Debate.

So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.

Mods shouldn't have to come clean up after every one of your posts just because you don't like the rules. As a registered member it is your responsibility to follow the rules of this forum.

If you want to debate, we have a forum for that.

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:40:08 PM

It seems so simple.  Just start a topic in debate.  What do you not understand?

If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.

That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.

From the looks of it, it does work like that.

Quote from: Adolf Hipster on September 13, 2013, 01:43:11 PM

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:40:08 PM

It seems so simple.  Just start a topic in debate.  What do you not understand?

If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.

That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.

From the looks of it, it does work like that.

It shouldn't work like that.

If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.

If you already know you're going to disagree with the answer, then put it in debate. I bet you wouldn't go to a physics class with the intention of arguing with every lesson the professor teaches, because it is Q&A only and you know that. Q&A is a classroom, not a debate board. You ask a question, we answer.

You need to understand the difference between education and debate. If you go to a college classroom and debate the professor non-stop, you're going to get removed from the class for being disruptive.

If you guys want two threads for every topic in Q&A that's fine. It just seems unnescessary to me.

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If people stop posting debate bait in Q&A we won't have two threads on every topic.  Not only that, but one debate thread can cover multiple questions about FET if on a broad enough topic, and as such could be link for further debating of answers.

Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point.  Probably best to move on.

If you guys want two threads for every topic in Q&A that's fine. It just seems unnescessary to me.

I guess this isn't getting through your head.
You.Ask.Questions.In.Q.&.A.You.Debate.In.The.Debate.Section.
You ask questions and get answers in one place, and if you don't like the answers you debate them somewhere else. You don't debate with your teacher in the middle of class, do you? No. You debate with him/her after class.

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.

Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point.  Probably best to move on.

I think Junker is right.  Nobody can be this dense.