Virgin Galactic hoax update

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on September 16, 2013, 11:13:28 AM

This thread might make me quit this site. 9/11 certainly did happen, and people certainly did die. I know a few people whose relatives and the like were in there. Were they in on it? There were definitely without a reasonable doubt planes that flew into the WTC. There is some speculation on my end about the logistics of how those 2 planes could have brought those towers down, but to outright up and completely deny that it ever happened is just one of the most ridiculous things I have literally ever heard. More ridiculous than a flat Earth.

These people that supposedley died. There alive and well no one died they were paid as acters. It never happened the WTCs were just an illusion from the start

That is an utterly ridiculous claim and as Saddam said nothing to do with FE / RE debate or even the subject of this thread.

Quote from: jroa on September 17, 2013, 09:36:19 AM

People are willing to pay huge amounts of money to go to space.  If that is not a motivator, I don't know what is.

I don't see your point. Care to elaborate?

Space travel ought to be a cinch. Especially considering that the moon-er-nots got way up high in a wee tin box with barely enough room for a pack of ciggies to spare.

Quote from: Cartesian on September 17, 2013, 09:39:18 AM

Quote from: jroa on September 17, 2013, 09:36:19 AM

People are willing to pay huge amounts of money to go to space.  If that is not a motivator, I don't know what is.

I don't see your point. Care to elaborate?

Space travel ought to be a cinch. Especially considering that the moon-er-nots got way up high in a wee tin box with barely enough room for a pack of ciggies to spare.

FYI, we are not talking about moon landing here. This thread is about Virgin Galactic.

Quote from: odes on September 22, 2013, 06:58:11 PM

Space travel ought to be a cinch. Especially considering that the moon-er-nots got way up high in a wee tin box with barely enough room for a pack of ciggies to spare.

FYI, we are not talking about moon landing here. This thread is about Virgin Galactic.

We are all aware of that.  It doesn't mean we can't MENTION something else in order to make a point.  Don't be so paranoid the thread is going off topic.

There should be hotels on the moon by now. We should be mooning each other through telescopes.

How long has it been since the moon-er-notics got their small-screen debut?

Why isn't Playtex corp begging to outfit us all in special radiation-proof poofies? That's what they should call the line: "Poofies."

The delay is simply that they haven't figured out how to make the windows into television screens yet. It's probably hard to practice that concept.

I don't know if you realize how extensively movies are used to influence public opinion and create fake events.

For example, did you know that 9/11 was basically just movies? The live television coverage was fake. The real event was probably an insurance scam, set up to also gain some political mileage. At the scene, they set up smoke screens and cleared the area, while jamming private video. Then on TV, they aired a bunch of rubbish. Flying projectiles coming in at all different angles, impossible shots, things not lining up properly, it goes on and on. All proven on cluesforum.info.

On that forum they have also proven that the 'mass shootings' alleged to occur especially in the USA are fake. Go see for yourself. They have done great work over there.

These things are all done to create political movements, and to induce an increasing degree of malleability in the populace.

There is no doubt that the use of phony footage and photographs began much, much before that. And indeed, the lunar landings are easy to detect as fakes. They probably even deliberately leak information, simply to let the air out a bit, and give the thing a chance to breathe. They only have to convince almost everybody, and almost everybody always believes what they put on the telly.

So don't doubt for a minute that they haven't thought of putting movies into the windows of flying objects, to fool passengers. Why not? It would be a cheap and easy way to propagandize everyone on earth.

Alleged war crimes are another use for fake pictures and movies. This goes way back. If you start studying, you'll be amazed at what you discover. You don't have to be a 'big conspiracy nut'. I'm not a nutter. A nutter will think things like, "Area 51 has aliens! They move underground! The Bushes are part Whack-a-mole! Soon we will all have a chip in our butts!" Etc. I'm just saying that the use of still and moving pictures to manipulate people is more extensive than you may realize. They don't need a chip in our butts to manipulate us.

No, what you said is 'i'm not a nutter' but also that '9/11 was fake' which somewhat disproves your first comment.

If you really think that out of the thousands of people who would have had to be involved in a conspiracy/cover up of that magnitude none of them would have accidently said something by now I'd say that defies logic

There should be hotels on the moon by now. We should be mooning each other through telescopes.

How long has it been since the moon-er-notics got their small-screen debut?

Why isn't Playtex corp begging to outfit us all in special radiation-proof poofies? That's what they should call the line: "Poofies."

The delay is simply that they haven't figured out how to make the windows into television screens yet. It's probably hard to practice that concept.

This is irrelevant and proves nothing.

Almost nobody needs to be involved in a cover-up, especially when most systems work from either perspective, and when certain data is imaginary to start with. And speaking of cover-ups, when will I be able to buy my first Poofie?

Not looking good. They still haven't got launch licence from the FAA yet and the current engine seems to be not powerful enough to carry full payload into space

Virgin Galactic Now Aiming for Spaceflight in February

Virgin Galactic is now hoping to get SpaceShipTwo into space on a test flight in February, according to multiple sources who attended the company’s gathering of future astronauts in Mojave on Wednesday.

Virgin Group CEO Richard Branson told about 300 future passengers that February is the new target date for having the six-passenger spacecraft fly above the Karmen line located at an altitude of 100 km (62 miles).

One attendee said that Branson didn’t project a lot of confidence about the February date. Overall, the British billionaire seemed rather subdued during in his opening remarks to attendees, lacking some of the enthusiasm he had shown at previous Virgin Galactic events, sources said.

Others who are familiar with the troubled development of SpaceShipTwo’s hybrid engine were less confident in Branson’s prediction. A flight in February is possible, they said, but it might not occur in 2014.

Virgin Galactic had been hoping to fly SpaceShipTwo into space by the end of this year. After the vehicle’s first powered test flight on April 29, Branson boldly predicted that he and his two children, Sam and Holly, would be on the first commercial flight on Christmas Day.

Branson’s prediction caused a lot of eye rolling by people in Mojave who are familiar with the complexity of flight test. Few people believed it would be possible to complete the test program and obtain regulatory approvals to begin commercial service in less than eight months.

The new plan is for Scaled Composites to complete the test program next year, obtain a launch license from the FAA, and to begin commercial service by the end of 2014.

A spaceflight would be a key milestone in a flight test program being run by Scaled Composites, which built SpaceShipTwo and its WhiteKnightTwo carrier aircraft.

SpaceShipTwo has made two powered flights to date using hybrid nitrous oxide-rubber engines that have fired for 16 and 20 seconds. Virgin Galactic has never been specific about the length of a full-duration firing, but sources say it exceeds one minute.

The problem is that despite public claims to the contrary, the nitrous oxide-rubber hybrid has never been hot fired on the ground at full duration, sources indicate. And the engine is not powerful enough even when fully fired to get SpaceShipTwo into space with any actual payloads (i.e., six wealthy passengers).

Even as Scaled Composites has pursued the flight test program and Virgin Galactic has issued optimistic flight predictions that commercial flights are only months away, the two companies have been secretly working on alternatives to the nitrous oxide-rubber engine they have been using to explore SpaceShipTwo’s flight envelope.

Sources report that the development of alternative hybrid designs has been running into trouble. An engine that used nitrous oxide and nylon exploded on Scaled Composites test stand on May 17. The nozzle and rocket casing were thrown clear and the test stand was wrecked. The composite tank holding the nitrous oxide did not explode, but it was damaged to the point where it could not be reused.

Scaled said they were testing an experimental, non-flight engine into which they had introduced flaws on that day. Sources say this is true; however, the explosion and wrecked test stand were not part of the test plan.

There has been work done on developing a liquid-fuel engine, which many experts see as a better long-term solution. A hybrid engine must be replaced after each flight, a process that is a delicate, complicated and expensive. A robust, reusable liquid engine would allow SpaceShipTwo to be refueled and fly again the same day.

It is not clear whether a liquid-fuel replacement is in active development at the moment, or how long it might take to get one ready for flight test on a SpaceShipTwo vehicle.

I could say I'm surprised by this, but then I'd be a liar.  I wonder what is going to go wrong in February.

I wonder why they didn't start carrying passenger with SS1 first while developing SS2.

I wonder why they didn't start carrying passenger with SS1 first while developing SS2.

Because SS1 was an experimental craft that wasn't designed with FAA commercial passenger certification in mind.