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Hurricane tracks
« on: August 27, 2013, 01:46:12 PM »
Can a flat earther explain these tracks of hurricanes? This artist mock-up shows 170 hurricane tracks. Why would they behave this way on a flat earth?


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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 01:55:17 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 01:56:27 PM »
Why doesn't South America get hurricanes?

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 02:00:14 PM »

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 02:04:49 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 03:01:44 PM »

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 03:05:33 PM »
Why doesn't South America get hurricanes?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+doesn%27t+South+America+get+hurricanes%3F
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There are three requirements for the formation of tropical revolving storms. They cannot form within 5° of the equator; there must be a pre-existing low pressure system; and the sea surface temperature must be above 26°C. It is this last that causes the problem.

If you look at the areas where these storms form most frequently - the South China Sea and the Caribbean Sea and the other areas like the seas around Australia and the northern Indian ocean, they are all large shallow seas with land or islands in close proximity. The sea surface reaches 26° easily. In the south Atlantic there is very little between the coast of South America and the coast of Africa. It is deep ocean that is on the move. The sea surface temperature seldom reaches 26°C and when it does, it doesn't stay there long enough for a storm to generate.

The warm seas provide the fuel for the system. Evaporation from the sea puts water vapour into the air which condenses as cloud and releases latent heat in doing so. It is the latent heat that fuels the hurricane. If the seas are not warm enough, there is insufficient fuel to get the system going.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2013, 03:06:41 PM »
With all that in mind FEers, why do you suppose that hurricanes never form within 5 degrees of the equator?

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 03:08:31 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 03:22:12 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

It's like you ignored everything rottingroom wrote.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 03:25:31 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

What? The water isn't warm enough guy. It may be warm and shallow enough over by Africa but then it has cross the freaking ocean. Just stay on topic.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2013, 03:27:05 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

It's like you ignored everything rottingroom wrote.
No I read it. I'm also well educated in climatology. I was not satisfied with the answer.

Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

What? The water isn't warm enough guy. It may be warm and shallow enough over by Africa but then it has cross the freaking ocean. Just stay on topic.
No, why are the hurricanes not forming over Africa and coming across the ocean in the southern hemisphere?

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2013, 03:29:55 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

It's like you ignored everything rottingroom wrote.
No I read it. I'm also well educated in climatology. I was not satisfied with the answer.

Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

What? The water isn't warm enough guy. It may be warm and shallow enough over by Africa but then it has cross the freaking ocean. Just stay on topic.
No, why are the hurricanes not forming over Africa and coming across the ocean in the southern hemisphere?

Hurricanes form over water. For someone well educated in climatology it sure doesn't show. I'm an Aerographer's Mate for the US Navy. My job is Meteorology and Oceanography. I spend all day dealing with satellites and weather balloons. Just stop.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2013, 07:24:24 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2013, 07:37:42 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

This is a classic attempt at derailing. The image doesn't look like it goes as far inland as Kansas and I can say without a doubt that it does not reach Nebraska. If it is going as far as Kansas then it would be nothing more than a hurricanes remnants. The point you are trying to make doesn't provide any value to the thread. The tracks shown are the typical tracks of hurricanes nevertheless. My question remains. Can you explain why hurricanes behave this way on a flat earth?

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2013, 07:43:52 PM »
Questions relevant to the thread. If these tracks are drawn on a flat earth then how do you explain:

1. Why there is no activity on the equator?
2. Why do the tracks go in opposite directions in the north and south hemispheres?

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2013, 07:47:26 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

If you look closely you can actually see that it stays on the coast and doesn't cover any land.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2013, 07:56:49 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

If you look closely you can actually see that it stays on the coast and doesn't cover any land.

What?  The tracks go across half of the continental US.  I am not sure you understand how this map works.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2013, 07:57:07 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

This is a classic attempt at derailing.

How? I asked a question about your picture. Seeing as the picture is 100% of the OP, clarification of the picture's implications is in no way derailing.

Anyways, it's no use talking to you if you are going to deny that there is a line going through central USA. But if you're feeling up to it, I'm curious which hurricane it was that seems to start in Maine and travel south southwest, hitting most of the northeast, southern Ontario/Quebec, Michigan, Wisconcin/Illinois, Iowa, and tailing off around Nebraska/Kansas. I'm not using this question as an argument. I just kinda want to know which of the 170 hurricanes that was.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2013, 08:00:38 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

If you look closely you can actually see that it stays on the coast and doesn't cover any land.

What?  The tracks go across half of the continental US.  I am not sure you understand how this map works.

Look at it carefully. Quebec is clearly not covered and the map curves. The tracks just go up the coast.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2013, 08:03:56 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

If you look closely you can actually see that it stays on the coast and doesn't cover any land.

What?  The tracks go across half of the continental US.  I am not sure you understand how this map works.

Look at it carefully. Quebec is clearly not covered and the map curves. The tracks just go up the coast.

What is your screen resolution?
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2013, 08:06:40 PM »
I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that hurricanes travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska?

He posted a map tracking hurricanes.  It seems you are suggesting they travel as far inland as Kansas and Nebraska.

His map had lines over Kansas and Nebraska. Before moving forward, I would like for the OP to clarify that he believes that hurricanes have traveled as far inland as central USA.

This is a classic attempt at derailing.

How? I asked a question about your picture. Seeing as the picture is 100% of the OP, clarification of the picture's implications is in no way derailing.

Anyways, it's no use talking to you if you are going to deny that there is a line going through central USA. But if you're feeling up to it, I'm curious which hurricane it was that seems to start in Maine and travel south southwest, hitting most of the northeast, southern Ontario/Quebec, Michigan, Wisconcin/Illinois, Iowa, and tailing off around Nebraska/Kansas. I'm not using this question as an argument. I just kinda want to know which of the 170 hurricanes that was.

How is this a classic attempt at derailing? As you can plainly see, you have succeeded, the thread is derailed.

The point of the OP was to talk about why hurricanes move the way they do. I only posted the picture as a reference. Now you want to talk about specific hurricanes as if that has anything to do with this thread or even this forum.

And what are you smoking? One starts in Maine? GTFO of my thread you troll.

 The specific tracks are not that relevant. I think we can all agree that hurricanes in the northern hemisphere follow a clockwise (anti-cyclonic) track and hurricanes in the southern hemisphere follow a counter-clockwise (cyclonic) track. I think we can also agree that they don't form, not do they cross the equator. There is a round earth explanation that perfectly explains this and I'm asking for a flat earth explanation. If there is a flat earther that can take the topic seriously, then please try.
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2013, 08:15:26 PM »
It probably has to do with the air and sea currents near the equator.  The Moon and Sun may play a role in the way that hurricanes move as well.

I know that you are going to say it is because the world turns.

Look at it carefully. Quebec is clearly not covered and the map curves. The tracks just go up the coast.

Here, I enlarged the US for you.  Can you see the lines across half of the US  and part of Canada now?

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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2013, 08:26:09 PM »
It probably has to do with the air and sea currents near the equator.  The Moon and Sun may play a role in the way that hurricanes move as well.
I know that you are going to say it is because the world turns.

Well of course that is what I think, I just want to hear a flat earth explanation for this well known phenomenon. Also, you are aware that according to round earthers (translation: everyone) the currents are caused by many things but at the equator the same forces effecting hurricanes are also effecting currents and winds.

Observations show that no hurricanes form within 5 degrees latitude of the equator. People argue that the Coriolis force is too weak there to get air to rotate around a low pressure rather than flow from high to low pressure, which it does initially. If you can't get the air to rotate you can't get a storm. This is a reason why genesis does not occur at low latitudes.

BTW fephoenix.... As much as I agree with nearly every point you've been making in these forums I think you are incorrect in this instance. It does appear to me that the image shows storms reaching over land. This is okay though because neither myself nor the image determined what level of tropical storm the tracks show before the line stops being drawn. Storms do go over land but then die off after some time and dissipate. As I mentioned before, the ends of these tracks could merely be the remnants of these storms. Also, as I mentioned earlier, this image is merely being used as a reference and bringing light to these specifics are not relevant to the reason why I started this thread in the first place.

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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2013, 08:32:05 PM »
It probably has to do with the air and sea currents near the equator.  The Moon and Sun may play a role in the way that hurricanes move as well.
I know that you are going to say it is because the world turns.

Well of course that is what I think, I just want to hear a flat earth explanation for this well known phenomenon. Also, you are aware that according to round earthers (translation: everyone) the currents are caused by many things but at the equator the same forces effecting hurricanes are also effecting currents and winds.

Observations show that no hurricanes form within 5 degrees latitude of the equator. People argue that the Coriolis force is too weak there to get air to rotate around a low pressure rather than flow from high to low pressure, which it does initially. If you can't get the air to rotate you can't get a storm. This is a reason why genesis does not occur at low latitudes.

BTW fephoenix.... As much as I agree with nearly every point you've been making in these forums I think you are incorrect in this instance. It does appear to me that the image shows storms reaching over land. This is okay though because neither myself nor the image determined what level of tropical storm the tracks show before the line stops being drawn. Storms do go over land but then die off after some time and dissipate. As I mentioned before, the ends of these tracks could merely be the remnants of these storms. Also, as I mentioned earlier, this image is merely being used as a reference and bringing light to these specifics are not relevant to the reason why I started this thread in the first place.


Yeah sorry. I was on my phone and it was small so I didn't see the thin lines. Either way it is irrelevant as you have mentioned before.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2013, 08:32:59 PM »
In fact just recently tropical storm Iva just came across the gulf of mexico before hitting northern mexico and southern Texas. Its remnants reached as far as eastern California and that wasn't even a hurricane. It was only a tropical storm. So again, a moot point.
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Re: Hurricane tracks
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2013, 12:29:06 PM »
Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

It's like you ignored everything rottingroom wrote.
No I read it. I'm also well educated in climatology. I was not satisfied with the answer.

Hurricanes are not coming across the Soutern Atlantic from Africa, where all the criteria are met. Round Earth theory shudders to a halt.

What? The water isn't warm enough guy. It may be warm and shallow enough over by Africa but then it has cross the freaking ocean. Just stay on topic.
No, why are the hurricanes not forming over Africa and coming across the ocean in the southern hemisphere?

Hurricanes form over water. For someone well educated in climatology it sure doesn't show. I'm an Aerographer's Mate for the US Navy. My job is Meteorology and Oceanography. I spend all day dealing with satellites and weather balloons. Just stop.
If you look at your own maps you ignorant idiot, you will see that hurricanes form from hot continental air that is subsequently driven over an ocean. No ocean is warm enough to create a hurricane by itself.  >:(