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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #810 on: September 08, 2013, 03:30:25 PM »
Scepti, serious question here, do you really think that given the required tools you can fool a person who studied 3 to 5 years at least to get a university degree into believing what he is doing, although faked by some government or whatever, is actually correct? Do you really think this person who would be extremely well trained in his domain would not notice something wrong? Do you have any sort of work experience in technical fields yourself?
In answer to your first question, yes I most certainly do and it's happening in all walks of life.
The fact is though, it's not as simple as just getting taught something on a whim, it's about a continuation of being taught bogus science mixed in with real science.
You can come out of college or uni and be a competent electronics engineer and be taught all the resistance variations and capacitor strengths, parallel resistors, diodes and all the rest of it and you could end up working on the diagrams for what you believe is a circuit board for a satellite and feel a part of that, yet never see that satellite, ever and your expertise has gone into making the circuit board for something entirely different.

It's easy to dupe people into doing stuff wrongly, it just has to be done on a large enough scale in terms of indoctrinating people into copying it.
As a silly opposite analogy, let's say that everyone was taught to play football by running backwards and kicking the ball entailed back heeling it around the pitch and anyone kicking it frontwards were penalised.
All games would be played like this, if this were the taught rules.
Imagine at all the secret places we never get to see, they are playing football how we play it today, yet never let on.
As time goes on, some whistle blower comes out and says. " you're all playing football wrong, you do it going forward"....that person would be told to go and take a jump, because it's clear the game isn't played like he said, even though a few out of the box thinkers would be shouting, "hey, think about it. This person is correct. It makes much more sense to do it the way he said, because after all, we do walk forwards when we aren't playing football and out feet would control a ball better, etc, etc, et,c.

That's brainwashing for you and it's exactly the same with this round earth rotation clap trap and gravity and all the other stuff that does not make any real sense, when there's other stuff that does.

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« Reply #811 on: September 08, 2013, 03:34:06 PM »
Except that the real way of playing football would be how everyone plays it and the people in the secrect places would be silly for playing it wrong.
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« Reply #812 on: September 08, 2013, 03:34:59 PM »
Why did you waste your time writing that horseshit? BTW, please stop using the word weight if you don't believe in gravity. It makes you look like a moron.
What's this fixation with gravity and weight. Weight is a word to describe how heavy things are. Stop being so naive.

Weight is a bodies relative mass. Its what the word means. Its relative because it depends on where the measurement is taken. Your atmospheric pushing crack pot theory would require a new word. Weight is a word based on gravity.
Look. I'm not changing the word "weight" just because you and others marry it to gravity.
Gravity does not exist.

The FES.

The only place in the world where its necessary to define definition.
One day, maybe in your life time, something will happen that will make you question much of what's crammed into your head. What exactly that is and how it comes about I don't honestly know but something will show itself as not what you thought it was.

I know full well what its like to question what I've been taught. I was a born again christian in my youth and am now an atheist. I am completely capable of questioning my beliefs and until you can provide evidence, I mean like anything.... Just keep your ridiculous ideas in your empty little brain.
Ermmm, no. I'll put my ideas forward and you or your little cronies won't ever change that. You are free to ignore me though and carry on with whatever else you feel like doing, because this is a battle you cannot win with me.

I've already won the battle. The world is carrying on with their exploration of space. That's a win.
I can't knock you for your dream fantasies, I'll give you that. Everyone needs a dream. I prefer to look more at reality though, but each to their own.

Again, the things you believe in have no evidence where as everything I believe in is supported by mountains of it. That's all that really needs to be said.
You do not have one scrap of genuine verifiable evidence to back up why you believe what you do, no more than I have to back up what I say, The difference is. You got schooled with yours. I'm logically thinking mine through without the aid of indoctrination.

Go to the following thread and attempt some of the experiments in the experiments section then come back at me. Until you do, stop refusing to accept that I've presented verifiable evidence.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59811.0.html
You are not presenting verifiable evidence that proves a rotating globe. You simply are not.


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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #813 on: September 08, 2013, 03:36:24 PM »
Except that the real way of playing football would be how everyone plays it and the people in the secrect places would be silly for playing it wrong.
If you can't see what I'm getting at , then no wonder you can't grasp anything other than what gets saturated into your brain to believe the stuff you do.

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« Reply #814 on: September 08, 2013, 03:37:04 PM »
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You are not presenting verifiable evidence that proves a rotating globe. You simply are not.

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« Reply #815 on: September 08, 2013, 03:38:52 PM »
Except that the real way of playing football would be how everyone plays it and the people in the secrect places would be silly for playing it wrong.
If you can't see what I'm getting at , then no wonder you can't grasp anything other than what gets saturated into your brain to believe the stuff you do.

actually I'd argue that Europeans are doing it wrong  :P

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« Reply #816 on: September 08, 2013, 03:44:11 PM »
Except that the real way of playing football would be how everyone plays it and the people in the secrect places would be silly for playing it wrong.
If you can't see what I'm getting at , then no wonder you can't grasp anything other than what gets saturated into your brain to believe the stuff you do.
I do see what you are getting at. I was just pointing out why this is a bad analogy.
Anyway, would you mind responding to the long paragraph I wrote out earlier? I would like to see if you agree with my points.
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« Reply #817 on: September 08, 2013, 03:51:48 PM »

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What do space scientists have to gain from making up facts? Why don't they do actual research like all other scientists?
You see, it depends on what you view as space scientists. I mean, there's a multitude of people that can call themselves space scientists. Can you be a bit more specific to one set that you want to make a point on.
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Throwing away a theory because it doesn't make sense to you is (sorry if this comes across as rude) completely idiotic. Some people might not understand how elements react with each other, or how a computer works. This doesn't mean that chemistry is all made up or computers don't actually work. Most people are actually smart enough to realise that just because something doesn't make sense to them doesn't mean that they should completely discard it as real. I don't fully understand how people predict the weather but I don't say that weather people are just making it all up.
It depends what theory I'm throwing away, can you be specific on what theories I'm throwing away, in your eyes.
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Sometimes science and other things are complicated and cannot be explained to people who have the mental capacity of a child. In school the more complicated stuff is taught as you get older. This is because not everything can be explained simply and you need to have the ability to understand it. Scientists don't explain things in complicated ways with hard to understand equations just for the specific purpose of confusing people. Things are complicated. Sometimes things (like the distance to the sun, etc.) are found using mathimatical equations. If you take those away you are left with nothing. Imagine trying to find the hypotenuse of a triangle without pythagorian theorem.
I have no qualms about many scientific things being complicated to those who do not study them to verify how they work, but again, I don't dismiss a lot of scientific work, just some of it.

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« Reply #818 on: September 08, 2013, 03:58:24 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.
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« Reply #819 on: September 08, 2013, 04:05:33 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.

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« Reply #820 on: September 08, 2013, 04:08:09 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.
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« Reply #821 on: September 08, 2013, 04:08:41 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.
Most scientists aren't lying, just those at the very top who set the stall out for the various bogus shenanigans which I've mentioned and what you know I've mentioned.

As for air pressure and light. I'm throwing nothing away, I'm telling you what it really is and how it works in the main.
Naturally there is a lot more to it, but I'm giving out the basics.

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« Reply #822 on: September 08, 2013, 04:11:10 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.

This guy and that EJ guy who hasn't been around are the worstest.

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« Reply #823 on: September 08, 2013, 04:12:21 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.

This guy and that EJ guy who hadn't been around are the worstest.
Agreed. But at least scepti doesn't rage. Sorry I mean "talk loudly."
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« Reply #824 on: September 08, 2013, 04:14:49 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.
Most are not making it up at all. Astronomers see through a looking glass. if they are told a star is a star, it's a star to them.
If space is what they see, then that's what they see.
It's through a looking glass that magnifies things. If I'm given a telescope and told to look into the distance at what I'm told are stars and I'm given a chart, then I can say I've seen this and that constellation, unbeknown to me that they aren't what I am told they are.
It's quite possible that even the top fabricators don;t know it all, but they do know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on about this earth, I'm quietly confident about that.

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« Reply #825 on: September 08, 2013, 04:20:47 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
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« Reply #826 on: September 08, 2013, 04:23:57 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.
Most are not making it up at all. Astronomers see through a looking glass. if they are told a star is a star, it's a star to them.
If space is what they see, then that's what they see.
It's through a looking glass that magnifies things. If I'm given a telescope and told to look into the distance at what I'm told are stars and I'm given a chart, then I can say I've seen this and that constellation, unbeknown to me that they aren't what I am told they are.
It's quite possible that even the top fabricators don;t know it all, but they do know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on about this earth, I'm quietly confident about that.

Don't forget the engineers who build the telescopes. They make the optics specifically for looking at things that are light years away without noticing its just a dome that's not very far away at all. Then all those people building high flying aircraft, rockets and shuttles. They think they're building stuff that can go into space but all they need to make is a crop duster.

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« Reply #827 on: September 08, 2013, 04:40:32 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
Well, that's a good question that can only be answered in separate parts, depending on how a person perceives MAN.

Greed, is the obvious first reason for society of today and obviously as far back as the space program and many other things go.
When you take peoples money, you cannot be a bully and just decide to take it with force and keep coming back for more, because you create a massive revolt, so you do it by scare tactics and also amazing feats, all at the ever willing tax payers expense, as you now have willing participants.


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« Reply #828 on: September 08, 2013, 04:46:59 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?

I believe the reasons are ultimately spiritual. Not in the trite sense that they "don't believe their Bible" or something. But, deep in their sordid nature, they don't want there to be a Truth. So they naturally incline toward a belief system that leaves as much and as many things open as possible. It so happens that the universe that God designed allows for that. You can actually cope, even despite many errors in your paradigm. Perhaps in this way, He gives us a wider latitude of choice. The Bible does say that the earth is not to be moved, so, a weltenschauung that is premised on spinning, plus whirling, may be a dead giveaway of a paradigmatic problem.
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« Reply #829 on: September 08, 2013, 04:48:32 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
Well, that's a good question that can only be answered in separate parts, depending on how a person perceives MAN.

Greed, is the obvious first reason for society of today and obviously as far back as the space program and many other things go.
When you take peoples money, you cannot be a bully and just decide to take it with force and keep coming back for more, because you create a massive revolt, so you do it by scare tactics and also amazing feats, all at the ever willing tax payers expense, as you now have willing participants.
But you can still take people's money and have a flat earth. This argument makes no sense.
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« Reply #830 on: September 08, 2013, 04:53:15 PM »
Space flight is real
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« Reply #831 on: September 08, 2013, 04:54:12 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
Well, that's a good question that can only be answered in separate parts, depending on how a person perceives MAN.

Greed, is the obvious first reason for society of today and obviously as far back as the space program and many other things go.
When you take peoples money, you cannot be a bully and just decide to take it with force and keep coming back for more, because you create a massive revolt, so you do it by scare tactics and also amazing feats, all at the ever willing tax payers expense, as you now have willing participants.
But you can still take people's money and have a flat earth. This argument makes no sense.

Seriously. What does perpetuating a round earth have to do with anything? This is a point not just made by scepti but also lots of others. Why does there need to be a fabricated story about roundness for this to work?

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« Reply #832 on: September 08, 2013, 04:56:15 PM »
Space flight is real
Get off this thread you pathetic troll. I am actually trying to see scepti's view and I don't want you derailing this thread with your ridiculous low content posts. This is completely irrelevent to the discussion.
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« Reply #833 on: September 08, 2013, 04:56:28 PM »
1. I am talking about any scientists that you think are lying.
2. You are throwing away how air pressure works, how light works, etc.

All of astronomy. Almost all of physics.
And all scientists who study these are actually making it up and are liars.
Most are not making it up at all. Astronomers see through a looking glass. if they are told a star is a star, it's a star to them.
If space is what they see, then that's what they see.
It's through a looking glass that magnifies things. If I'm given a telescope and told to look into the distance at what I'm told are stars and I'm given a chart, then I can say I've seen this and that constellation, unbeknown to me that they aren't what I am told they are.
It's quite possible that even the top fabricators don;t know it all, but they do know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on about this earth, I'm quietly confident about that.

Don't forget the engineers who build the telescopes. They make the optics specifically for looking at things that are light years away without noticing its just a dome that's not very far away at all. Then all those people building high flying aircraft, rockets and shuttles. They think they're building stuff that can go into space but all they need to make is a crop duster.
It doesn't matter how large your telescope it, it can only see so far. Not light years and not thousands and thousands of miles either, because at the end of the day, all it's doing is magnifying. It's just a extension of the naked eye view.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the larger telescopes can see the reflections behind the gaseous atmosphere at night and no doubt they will see clouds of gases that are under reaction as the suns reflection cools from certain points. They may look like galaxies to some, but all it is, is reflections through gases onto iced gases that are under going many changes from solids to partial solids to icicles, to dropped icicles, to things that look like comets to meteors, etc, which are simply the effects of changes up the dome, just as we see changes down here in out atmosphere with clouds, rain, hail, snow, etc.
The very same happens further up, except in different lighter form.

Shuttles are simply mock ups, I've been through all that and you know my stance on those contraptions.

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« Reply #834 on: September 08, 2013, 05:01:43 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
Well, that's a good question that can only be answered in separate parts, depending on how a person perceives MAN.

Greed, is the obvious first reason for society of today and obviously as far back as the space program and many other things go.
When you take peoples money, you cannot be a bully and just decide to take it with force and keep coming back for more, because you create a massive revolt, so you do it by scare tactics and also amazing feats, all at the ever willing tax payers expense, as you now have willing participants.
But you can still take people's money and have a flat earth. This argument makes no sense.
To have a flat earth and take peoples money would mean, they would have had to alter much of the stuff they rigged up and the space program would be a much harder proposition, not to mention the many other problems that would arise.
Like I said, there's other reasons too, like occultism and the worship of the sun and making it the centre of our known universe and all the rest of the nonsense.

The lists will be long but the end results are greed, power, mind control, fear, etc.

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« Reply #835 on: September 08, 2013, 05:05:53 PM »
Space flight is real
Get off this thread you pathetic troll. I am actually trying to see scepti's view and I don't want you derailing this thread with your ridiculous low content posts. This is completely irrelevent to the discussion.
You cant tell me what to flippin do. I dont derail threads with low content, nor am I a troll (once again this acusation since that I embarased you in debate). And I myself am trying to see sceptis view I think he might got some stuff right about the flat earth. I am very intrested and want to see his views
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« Reply #836 on: September 08, 2013, 05:06:56 PM »
1. We have known that the earth was round before space travel so that argument is invalid.
2. Scientists don't think that the sun is the center of anything but our solar system. And the reason that they believe that is because it is for scientific reasons, not because they worship the sun.
3. What are your other reasons?
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« Reply #837 on: September 08, 2013, 05:08:40 PM »
Space flight is real
Get off this thread you pathetic troll. I am actually trying to see scepti's view and I don't want you derailing this thread with your ridiculous low content posts. This is completely irrelevent to the discussion.
You cant tell me what to flippin do. I dont derail threads with low content, nor am I a troll (once again this acusation since that I embarased you in debate). And I myself am trying to see sceptis view I think he might got some stuff right about the flat earth. I am very intrested and want to see his views
You keep bringing up this debate that you embaressed me in. Would you mind linking to it?
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« Reply #838 on: September 08, 2013, 05:13:07 PM »
My question is why do these top fabricators make it up? Why not just tell the truth?
Well, that's a good question that can only be answered in separate parts, depending on how a person perceives MAN.

Greed, is the obvious first reason for society of today and obviously as far back as the space program and many other things go.
When you take peoples money, you cannot be a bully and just decide to take it with force and keep coming back for more, because you create a massive revolt, so you do it by scare tactics and also amazing feats, all at the ever willing tax payers expense, as you now have willing participants.
But you can still take people's money and have a flat earth. This argument makes no sense.
To have a flat earth and take peoples money would mean, they would have had to alter much of the stuff they rigged up and the space program would be a much harder proposition, not to mention the many other problems that would arise.
Like I said, there's other reasons too, like occultism and the worship of the sun and making it the centre of our known universe and all the rest of the nonsense.

The lists will be long but the end results are greed, power, mind control, fear, etc.

Alter stuff they rigged up?
Harder proposition?
other stuff that would arise?
occultism?
worship of the sun?

This is why they told us the earth is round? Really?

Read what you wrote and think about how we think that sounds. You didn't even give a good reason.

There is no reason to fool people into thinking its any shape. You can take money from people by convincing them the rapture is coming or something, that'd be a lot easier than a perpetually expensive hoax.

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« Reply #839 on: September 08, 2013, 05:21:11 PM »
1. We have known that the earth was round before space travel so that argument is invalid.
2. Scientists don't think that the sun is the center of anything but our solar system. And the reason that they believe that is because it is for scientific reasons, not because they worship the sun.
3. What are your other reasons?
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