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squevil

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thork you see the news?
« on: July 21, 2013, 10:06:14 PM »
Cameron has decided to block pronn and make rape pronn illegal. gutted dude.

but in seriousness, this will be the shape of things to come.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 11:05:35 PM »
I thought this was going to be about Jeff Bezos finding the Apollo 11 rocket engine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/20/apollo-11-rocket-engine-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos_n_3628232.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 12:03:12 AM »
I don't bloody think Sharia allows it!

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 12:21:14 PM »
I don't bloody think Sharia allows it!
Luckily, what you think doesn't matter.

Also, Cameron is terrible. How will I get my rape porn now?
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 12:31:30 PM »
I don't bloody think Sharia allows it!
Luckily, what you think doesn't matter.

Also, Cameron is terrible. How will I get my rape porn now?
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 12:52:13 PM »
Typical of this government. Do something which sounds good on paper but without actually looking at the evidence which suggests that violent porn does not increase violence against women but may actually reduce it.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061030/152445.shtml

I agree that videos showing real rape should be blocked and those who made it forced to bear the full weight of the law, but there isn't a compelling argument for cracking down on fictional violence. And why are we stopping at fictional sexual violence for that matter? Surely walking into an airport and gunning down hundreds is worse, and yet you can freely do that in Medal of Honour. Surely taking groups of people prisoner and subjecting them to the grossest torture you could imagine is worse, and yet none of the Saw films are illegal.

Yet another 'moral scare' which will run its course in a year or two, tops.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 01:12:40 PM »
Typical of this government. Do something which sounds good on paper but without actually looking at the evidence which suggests that violent porn does not increase violence against women but may actually reduce it.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061030/152445.shtml

I agree that videos showing real rape should be blocked and those who made it forced to bear the full weight of the law, but there isn't a compelling argument for cracking down on fictional violence. And why are we stopping at fictional sexual violence for that matter? Surely walking into an airport and gunning down hundreds is worse, and yet you can freely do that in Medal of Honour. Surely taking groups of people prisoner and subjecting them to the grossest torture you could imagine is worse, and yet none of the Saw films are illegal.

Yet another 'moral scare' which will run its course in a year or two, tops.

This is how a government takes freedoms. They need to get you to agree that censorship is required. So they use an example like rape which you obviously can't defend.

Then once that is banned they can start adding to it. Extreme political views, sites with engineering knowledge of gunpowder , bombs, etc. Sites with fundamental religious views. Sites that encourage criminal behaviour like hacking. Social media where extreme ideas might be exchanged. And so it goes on until you can only view what the government will allow you to see. they badly want the same control over the internet that they have over the media. And this is Cameron moving his pawn to e4.

However being as 25% of all web queries are for porn, its likely Cameron has absolutely no idea what he is getting himself into, and how unpopular this will be.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 01:31:16 PM »
Cameron wants to be Thatcher 2.0, it's only natural that he would try to recreate the video nasty scare for a contemporary audience. What does surprise me is that he went after porn rather than video games.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 01:57:07 PM »
You are right. This is just the start.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 03:33:55 PM »
Typical of this government. Do something which sounds good on paper but without actually looking at the evidence which suggests that violent porn does not increase violence against women but may actually reduce it.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061030/152445.shtml

I agree that videos showing real rape should be blocked and those who made it forced to bear the full weight of the law, but there isn't a compelling argument for cracking down on fictional violence. And why are we stopping at fictional sexual violence for that matter? Surely walking into an airport and gunning down hundreds is worse, and yet you can freely do that in Medal of Honour. Surely taking groups of people prisoner and subjecting them to the grossest torture you could imagine is worse, and yet none of the Saw films are illegal.

Yet another 'moral scare' which will run its course in a year or two, tops.

This is how a government takes freedoms. They need to get you to agree that censorship is required. So they use an example like rape which you obviously can't defend.

Then once that is banned they can start adding to it. Extreme political views, sites with engineering knowledge of gunpowder , bombs, etc. Sites with fundamental religious views. Sites that encourage criminal behaviour like hacking. Social media where extreme ideas might be exchanged. And so it goes on until you can only view what the government will allow you to see. they badly want the same control over the internet that they have over the media. And this is Cameron moving his pawn to e4.

However being as 25% of all web queries are for porn, its likely Cameron has absolutely no idea what he is getting himself into, and how unpopular this will be.

This from the boy who wanted gay pride videos taken down from youtube... I see, tell me more.
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 04:43:30 PM »
Move.
All in due time. There's a fairly high chance I'll be moving after graduating. Until then, I need a solution, however.

This is how a government takes freedoms. They need to get you to agree that censorship is required. So they use an example like rape which you obviously can't defend.

Then once that is banned they can start adding to it. Extreme political views, sites with engineering knowledge of gunpowder , bombs, etc. Sites with fundamental religious views. Sites that encourage criminal behaviour like hacking. Social media where extreme ideas might be exchanged. And so it goes on until you can only view what the government will allow you to see. they badly want the same control over the internet that they have over the media. And this is Cameron moving his pawn to e4.

However being as 25% of all web queries are for porn, its likely Cameron has absolutely no idea what he is getting himself into, and how unpopular this will be.
You're absolutely right. In addition to that, censorship is impossible without surveillance. Let's assume that the British government is not spying on us too hard just yet. Well, if they want to go censoring porn, they'll have to start, and they'll be starting with a lot of support from the public. Once the infrastructure is in place, there's nothing to stop the government from setting up a mini-PRISM of their own.

Anyone that finds this concerning should familiarise himself with at least one of the following projects:


Personally, I'm a big enthusiast of Tor. It's a fairly good way of circumventing virtually any tracking (or at least making it very difficult to identify you). It can be a bit sluggish at times, and it does require you to use your brain at least a little bit, but when used correctly, it'll let you access things governments might not want you to access (e.g. Google from China) without letting the governments know that you're accessing it.

Also, I'm a little bit confused. It seems that Cameron has simultaneously proposed near-identical (i.e. censorship) solutions for pornography and general and child pornography specifically. Are these separate projects, or did he come up with one and then immediately change his mind?
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 04:53:46 PM by PizzaPlanet »
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 05:41:46 PM »
The basics are as follows:


1. Porny stuff will now be opt-in
2. 'Rape' porn (porn depicting non-consensual sex) will now be illegal in England & Wales, as it is in Scotland (NI? no idea)
3. Child porn something. Something something. There is child porn online, therefore 1 & 2


Seriously though, I don't understand why child porn is being discussed in the same breath as these other measures. It's the cheapest kind of rhetorical slight-of-hand, IMO. If i'm wrong, correct me, but it does just seem like tacking unrelated issues on to a (legally) unrelated issue in order to garner support.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 06:13:16 PM »
Is it just me, or is Cameron your version of Bush, except less intelligent and more narcissistic?

There's no way a bill like this could pass Parliament. At the very least, 'Murica wouldn't allow it, because we love our freedom of speech more than we love our guns and when America says 'jump' England says 'How high?'.

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Anyway, if you don't mind my ranting, this is outrageous. All of it. They also want to ban 'sexy clothing' for kids. Sure, it's kind of gross to see a 10 year old in a bikini, but my main issues are as follows:

1) Who, exactly, is qualified to be the legally enforced moral compass of a nation? A politician?
2) In 'Murica we love our freedoms, as said above. This infringes on the Brit's rights enormously, and that is unacceptable.
3) The government taking control of things like this sounds suspiciously like all of the bad parts of communism without any of the good parts.
4) My morality differs from those who would be enforcing this. Sex isn't a bad thing. It's awesome. Don't you dare tell me I should be ashamed of my body and desires barring those which hurt other people  >o<
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 06:14:47 PM »
Is it just me, or is Cameron your version of Bush, except less intelligent and more narcissistic?

There's no way a bill like this could pass Parliament. At the very least, 'Murica wouldn't allow it, because we love our freedom of speech more than we love our guns and when America says 'jump' England says 'How high?'.

You would too, when the idiot has the guns and the money.
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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 09:21:01 AM »
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1) Who, exactly, is qualified to be the legally enforced moral compass of a nation? A politician?

Silly, don't you know that all sex is bad, dirty, evil, wrong and only to be shared with the person we love and want to spend the rest of our lives with.

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2) In 'Murica we love our freedoms, as said above. This infringes on the Brit's rights enormously, and that is unacceptable.

We British unfortunately take a far more cavalier approach to our rights, we're more interested in declaring a one-day-old fit to lead the country.

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3) The government taking control of things like this sounds suspiciously like all of the bad parts of communism without any of the good parts.

Nah, we're selling off everything publically owned, it's more like a 19th century mill-owner.

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4) My morality differs from those who would be enforcing this. Sex isn't a bad thing. It's awesome. Don't you dare tell me I should be ashamed of my body and desires barring those which hurt other people 

Well that's all right then, so long as you only engage in vanilla intercourse and have no desire to explore your fantasies in a safe, controlled manner.

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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2013, 10:00:09 AM »
Cameron like most British loliticians has absolutely no idea about the internet. He probably thinks the ISPs have been guarding a secret button that magically bans everything he doesn't like and all that's needed is to ask nicely to use it. It's exactly like music companies thinking they could beat piracy by using DRM - no understanding of the nature of the net. Of course when reality refuses to submit to his whims there will, mark my words, be a lengthy and protracted u-turn process. Such things are the hallmark of this government. First, as right now, he will insist on no compromises. Next it'll be some compromises. The it will be 'we have re-evaluated our position on this issue' followed by endless PR-level crap that's just a longwinded way of saying they haven't a hope in hell of achieving it. They'll never admit that of course. It will always be that they could have done it but now have decided against it. Then it'll never be mentioned again.

The wider issue is their party is due for a severe spanking at the next election according to the polls. What can he do to increase their fortunes? A good old moral panic of course. Assuming everyone forgets his party spent all it's time in opposition banging on about 'small state government that won't invade your private life etc' . Harder to resist the call of the nanny state when you're in power eh?

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 02:47:49 AM »
It's a series of tubes. Surely you can just block some, right?

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 02:48:40 AM »
Quote from: David Cameron 2010
The more we as a society do, the less we will need government to do. We will have to tear down Labour’s big government bureaucracy — ripping up its time-wasting, money-draining, responsibility-sapping nonsense.

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Re: thork you see the news?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 03:16:25 AM »
How likely is it that anyone will give a damn about that quote?

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »
How likely is it that anyone will give a damn about that quote?

British people who might find the rank hypocrisy amusing.