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RyanTG

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Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« on: May 25, 2013, 08:18:06 AM »
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM »
A group of fourteen-year-old kids doesn't exactly scream scientific rigor to me.  I'd prefer more capable scientists to experiment on this before I accept these findings as valid.
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Thork

Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2013, 08:29:48 AM »
I always suspected that wifi and phone signals would not be good for people long term. That seems obvious to me. They produce low levels of harmful radiation. Radiation is bad and cumulative. Maybe one day people will view using cell phones like smoking and get annoyed at other people using phones near them.
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RyanTG

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 08:36:18 AM »
I completely agree with you Saddam, this is not a controlled scientific study so no conclusion should be drawn.

And Thork, microwave radiation is not ionising, it does not carry enough energy to remove electrons from atoms, molecules etc. And microwave radiation is much too large to effect us anyways. The wavelength of microwaves are around 1-10cm, our cells let alone DNA is orders of magnitude smaller than that.

Sadly enough, at school a few years ago we put ants in a microwave and none of them died from the heat, they just bundled up into regions where the microwaves just weren't interfering with.

I did like one line from the article (may have been a different article) where the girl's said something along the lines of: "We noticed when we went to sleep with phones near our head we didn't concentrate as much the next day at school".

Confirmation bias at its finest.
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Thork

Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2013, 09:33:07 AM »
Quote from: RyanTG on May 25, 2013, 08:36:18 AM
And microwave radiation is much too large to effect us anyways.
??? Wat?

Quote from: http://www.darvill.clara.net/emag/emagmicro.htm
Prolonged exposure to microwaves is known to cause "cataracts" in your eyes, which is a clouding of the lens, preventing you from seeing clearly (if at all!)

Recent research indicates that microwaves from mobile phones can affect parts of your brain - after all, you're holding the transmitter right by your head.
 
Wireless computer networks use microwaves

People who work on aircraft carrier decks wear special suits which reflect microwaves, to avoid being "cooked" by the powerful radar units in modern military planes.
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RyanTG

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2013, 12:55:02 PM »
If you were tasked with finding the least credible looking website on the internet, you may have won.

Please find me research that shows that prolong exposure to mobile phones can "effect" parts of your brain because since the introduction of mobile phones there has been no massive increase in brain cancers because as I said, microwaves are not ionising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Safety  Follow the citations if you want 10+ year studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health

Must more reliable than those websites, at least they can be updated with new evidence.

Can you also provide a link to the cataracts one? Couldn't find a reference.

And of course people require special suits to reflect microwaves so they aren't "cooked", this would be analogous to me saying bullets cause cancer because police officers have to wear bullet-proof vests. Microwaves are too large to damage cells and so are bullets.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 03:23:28 PM »
A wild Thork appears.  Time to abandon thread.
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Thork

Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 03:25:08 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
A wild Thork appears.  Time to abandon thread.
I am no longer a curator. Why are you still obsessed with me? Go and find someone else to idolise. 
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 03:28:50 PM »
In other news, telephone lines cause cancer. Ryan, don't feed the thork.
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 03:40:57 PM »
Quote from: Thork on May 25, 2013, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
A wild Thork appears.  Time to abandon thread.
I am no longer a curator.

But you are still Thork.
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Thork

Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 03:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Thork on May 25, 2013, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
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I am no longer a curator.

But you are still Thork.
And so you are still obsessed. Ok, at least we both know where we stand. :(
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 10:05:01 PM »
Eyes don't dissipate heat well. If prolonged exposure did cause cataracts it probably has something to do with heat.
Quote from: RyanTG on May 25, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
If you were tasked with finding the least credible looking website on the internet, you may have won.

Please find me research that shows that prolong exposure to mobile phones can "effect" parts of your brain because since the introduction of mobile phones there has been no massive increase in brain cancers because as I said, microwaves are not ionising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Safety  Follow the citations if you want 10+ year studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health

Must more reliable than those websites, at least they can be updated with new evidence.

Can you also provide a link to the cataracts one? Couldn't find a reference.

And of course people require special suits to reflect microwaves so they aren't "cooked", this would be analogous to me saying bullets cause cancer because police officers have to wear bullet-proof vests. Microwaves are too large to damage cells and so are bullets.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2013, 02:13:54 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Eyes don't dissipate heat well. If prolonged exposure did cause cataracts it probably has something to do with heat.

Yes, makes sense.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 02:33:34 PM »
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Five girls from Hjallerup Skole, a primary education school in Denmark, began the experiment after noticing that when they slept with their cellphones near their heads overnight, they had trouble focusing the next day, according to Danish News site DR.

Possibly because their phones kept going off with facebook message updates all night, disrupting their sleep.

They would have been better off putting both sets of plants in the same room, one plant having a faraday cage set up around it.

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Sarah D. Johnson
My 7th grade son did a similar experiment using a Faraday cage for half his plants and non-metallic mesh cage for the other half. He saw no significant difference between the two groups of plants, which were otherwise in the same environments.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 01:44:17 AM »
Quote from: RyanTG on May 26, 2013, 02:13:54 AM
Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Eyes don't dissipate heat well. If prolonged exposure did cause cataracts it probably has something to do with heat.

Yes, makes sense.

Glass blowers are prone to cataracts at a younger age than the general population.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2013, 03:45:55 PM »
Quote from: mathsman on June 05, 2013, 01:44:17 AM
Quote from: RyanTG on May 26, 2013, 02:13:54 AM
Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Eyes don't dissipate heat well. If prolonged exposure did cause cataracts it probably has something to do with heat.

Yes, makes sense.

Glass blowers are prone to cataracts at a younger age than the general population.
I guess they should wear proper PPE.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 03:37:25 AM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
A group of fourteen-year-old kids doesn't exactly scream scientific rigor to me.

Argumentum ad hominem.
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 04:56:41 AM »
Quote from: Parsifal on June 06, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
A group of fourteen-year-old kids doesn't exactly scream scientific rigor to me.

Argumentum ad hominem.

I dare say it is a valid one.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 09:39:32 AM »
Does WiFi grow by plants?
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 01:54:39 PM »
Quote from: Rushy on June 06, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
Does WiFi grow by plants?

I have a plant, two actually, right next to my WiFi box. They've been going strong for ages.



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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 02:20:22 PM »
Quote from: RyanTG on June 07, 2013, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: Rushy on June 06, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
Does WiFi grow by plants?
I have a plant, two actually, right next to my WiFi box. They've been going strong for ages.

That did not even remotely answer my question.
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RyanTG

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 02:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Rushy on June 07, 2013, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: RyanTG on June 07, 2013, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: Rushy on June 06, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
Does WiFi grow by plants?
I have a plant, two actually, right next to my WiFi box. They've been going strong for ages.

That did not even remotely answer my question.

God dammit...
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 04:40:16 PM »
Has the WiFi been going strong?
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2013, 01:42:01 AM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on June 06, 2013, 04:56:41 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on June 06, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
A group of fourteen-year-old kids doesn't exactly scream scientific rigor to me.

Argumentum ad hominem.

I dare say it is a valid one.

Yes, you constructed a valid logical fallacy. Well done.

Now, do you have a contribution to make to the thread?
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2013, 06:42:00 AM »
No, I made a valid argument, not a valid fallacy.
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RyanTG

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on June 06, 2013, 04:56:41 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on June 06, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
A group of fourteen-year-old kids doesn't exactly scream scientific rigor to me.

Argumentum ad hominem.

I dare say it is a valid one.

Yes, you constructed a valid logical fallacy. Well done.

Now, do you have a contribution to make to the thread?

It seems you are being so anal over this. A group of 14 year old kids DOESN'T scream scientific rigour, they are a group of kids. This wasn't a controlled laboratory study, they aren't trained scientists and at MOST these results should be seen entirely as preliminary.

It seems by the way they talked about WiFi before they conducted their experiment there was already a lurking bias.

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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2013, 10:41:29 PM »
Quote from: RyanTG on June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
It seems you are being so anal over this.

Congratulations.  You have now met Parsifal.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2013, 12:29:11 AM »
Quote from: RyanTG on June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
It seems you are being so anal over this.

Irrelevant.

Quote from: RyanTG on June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
A group of 14 year old kids DOESN'T scream scientific rigour, they are a group of kids.

Non-sequitur.

Quote from: RyanTG on June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
This wasn't a controlled laboratory study, they aren't trained scientists and at MOST these results should be seen entirely as preliminary.

Irrelevant.

Quote from: RyanTG on June 08, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
It seems by the way they talked about WiFi before they conducted their experiment there was already a lurking bias.

Irrelevant.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2013, 06:42:43 AM »
Parsifal is correct .
At my High School we have a Science Research Program designed to teach kids proper science.  By their senior year, they have conducted a professional experiment, written a conclusion, did a statistical analysis, and presented their findings .Many have presented on a national level such as the Intel Science Fair.

The age of the experimentors does not invalidate their experiment.
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Re: Plants do not grow by WiFi?
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2013, 07:26:29 AM »
True, but the poor experimental conditions do.
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