ISS is not in space

It appear to fall into the horizon but it doesn't actually do that.

But when scepti with his superior logic sees the sun fall below the horizon, he can only conclude that the sun never falls below the Earth but is moving away from him at a constant height above a flat Earth into the distance.

It's obvious examples like this that show without a shadow of a doubt that he isn't basing his conclusions on what he thinks he's seeing, but rather skewing his interpretations of the results to work with a flat Earth.

Quote from: Puttah on May 29, 2013, 10:46:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 29, 2013, 10:41:54 AM

I wouldn't expect you to see it any other way to be fair.

How could I see it any other way? The sun falls into the horizon, not into the distance.

It appear to fall into the horizon but it doesn't actually do that.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on May 29, 2013, 10:41:54 AM

I wouldn't expect you to see it any other way to be fair.

How could I see it any other way? The sun falls into the horizon, not into the distance.

It appear to fall into the horizon but it doesn't actually do that.

They're quite the bullies but the question is fair. If you base your conclusions on what your eyes see, then how can you claim the Sun does one thing when your eyes see another?

What do you mean?

Quote from: icanbeanything on May 29, 2013, 11:11:00 AM

They're quite the bullies but the question is fair. If you base your conclusions on what your eyes see, then how can you claim the Sun does one thing when your eyes see another?

What do you mean?

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Quote from: Puttah on May 29, 2013, 10:46:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 29, 2013, 10:41:54 AM

I wouldn't expect you to see it any other way to be fair.

How could I see it any other way? The sun falls into the horizon, not into the distance.

It appear to fall into the horizon but it doesn't actually do that.

They're quite the bullies but the question is fair. If you base your conclusions on what your eyes see, then how can you claim the Sun does one thing when your eyes see another?

What do you mean?

The basic point is: You value observational evidence above everything else. You believe what you see. Then you say the Sun can be seen going below the horizon, but it's just an illusion because it's actually not.

How did you come by this information that the Sun doesn't actually go below the horizon? Because by observation you would say it does. I believe you came by this information seeing it written somewhere in a FET book. Which is a way of getting information that yourself told me is not right.

I didn't say it does. I said, to you, it might appear to go below but it's not. I didn't say, to me.

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Quote from: Puttah on May 29, 2013, 10:46:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 29, 2013, 10:41:54 AM

I wouldn't expect you to see it any other way to be fair.

How could I see it any other way? The sun falls into the horizon, not into the distance.

It appear to fall into the horizon but it doesn't actually do that.

They're quite the bullies but the question is fair. If you base your conclusions on what your eyes see, then how can you claim the Sun does one thing when your eyes see another?

What do you mean?

The basic point is: You value observational evidence above everything else. You believe what you see. Then you say the Sun can be seen going below the horizon, but it's just an illusion because it's actually not.

How did you come by this information that the Sun doesn't actually go below the horizon? Because by observation you would say it does. I believe you came by this information seeing it written somewhere in a FET book. Which is a way of getting information that yourself told me is not right.

I didn't say it does. I said, to you, it might appear to go below but it's not. I didn't say, to me.

But, I believe we do see the same image when we look at the sunset, don't we?

If it were a spotlight going far away and near the horizon, I'd expect it to flatten out before touching it, but it doesn't, it's still a pretty neat circular shape. Does it turn towards us as it goes further? But that's not possible, it'd mean it's turning away from whatever is to the east of it, upsetting the whole day/night cycle.

The sheer size of it can warp your sense of reality.

Here is a much clearer example of what I'm talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=h1mAx0jAYSs&NR=1

They get that perception because they have been brainwashed into believing in a global earth.

Quote from: icanbeanything on May 29, 2013, 12:18:45 PM

Okay, but this effect I'm talking about, the Sun not shrinking and flattening out at the horizon... If this effect isn't explained by FET, then sunrise just doesn't work in FET. There may be some explanation to it (though I haven't seen it and can't think of any), but at least you do understand that it's a problem?

I haven't fully explained it all in it's entirety and it is hard to explain to actually gain a full on idea but I'll try.

You know when I said that the sun comes "at you" from height rather than people seeing it as a sun rise. Well it's not exactly that, it just appears like that at first but the reality is, it's coming in and circling at the same time but isn't quite observed as that and because it appears larger due to the light emitted , it's not actually that. as you know.
Because it circles, we see it as it comes around or as we see it getting high in the sky type of thing.
It's hard to explain but it's our perception of it that can sway the thinking of what it's really doing.

A better idea of the circling effect.

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A better idea of the circling effect.

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The circling effect of that video is an illusion created by a rotating camera.   If the camera were to have moved in a vertical 180 degree arc it wouldn't have shown that effect.

I'm just giving you a basic idea of what I was trying to say that's all.

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A better idea of the circling effect.

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The circling effect of that video is an illusion created by a rotating camera.   If the camera were to have moved in a vertical 180 degree arc it wouldn't have shown that effect.

I'm just giving you a basic idea of what I was trying to say that's all.

The concept is well understood.   We what you're trying to tell us.   We are telling you that the concept does not fit reality and observations.

I fail to see how.

Scepti. Here is a video of a sunset with a filter. Look from 0:44 onwards. Does the sun shrink in size as it goes down?
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Scepti. Here is a video of a sunset with a filter. Look from 0:44 onwards. Does the sun shrink in size as it goes down?
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http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

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Scepti. Here is a video of a sunset with a filter. Look from 0:44 onwards. Does the sun shrink in size as it goes down?
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http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

That explains the light, but not the object itself.  Lol posted a video of a filtered video showing the Sun, without the solar glare caused by the light it emits.  That link even specifies the luminous aura of the light is larger, especially when the air is moist.

I know what you're saying but remember, the sun isn't always coming in straight at a person. It's circling remember.
I don't profess to know it all but I know it does not rise like people say it does.
They get that perception because they have been brainwashed into believing in a global earth.

Some scientists can work on something for their "entire" lives and get it "wrong."
I want you to remember this.
The reason why, is because you are 100% wrong about how you believe the sun operates. That's just my opinion of course.

Quote from: Puttah on May 30, 2013, 04:06:41 AM

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Some scientists can work on something for their "entire" lives and get it "wrong."
I want you to remember this.
The reason why, is because you are 100% wrong about how you believe the sun operates. That's just my opinion of course.

I've told you many times already that I'm not considering how I believe the sun operates, I'm merely commenting on my observations which you've always endorsed. Well, I observe the sun to fall into the horizon, and now you're turning the tables on everything you've stood for by saying that "it may appear to look like it's falling into the horizon, but it doesn't work that way".

If there was ever a more accurate representation of what a hypocrite is, I haven't seen it.

Don't twist things. I said it may appear to fall into the horizon to "you" but it's not.
Twisting things isn't going to get you any further forward.

Quote from: Puttah on May 30, 2013, 04:06:41 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 30, 2013, 04:02:31 AM

Some scientists can work on something for their "entire" lives and get it "wrong."
I want you to remember this.
The reason why, is because you are 100% wrong about how you believe the sun operates. That's just my opinion of course.

I've told you many times already that I'm not considering how I believe the sun operates, I'm merely commenting on my observations which you've always endorsed. Well, I observe the sun to fall into the horizon, and now you're turning the tables on everything you've stood for by saying that "it may appear to look like it's falling into the horizon, but it doesn't work that way".

If there was ever a more accurate representation of what a hypocrite is, I haven't seen it.

Don't twist things. I said it may appear to fall into the horizon to "you" but it's not.
Twisting things isn't going to get you any further forward.

To me, it looks like FET predicts that it is coming in from distance

or shall I say, we see it appear through the dense air coming towards the horizon that we see and as it starts moving along it circle we see it start to appear fully and appear to get higher, yet all it is doing is coming into clearer view as it carries on in it's circular motion.
I'll try and make a diagram to show you exactly what I'm saying, just not yet. Give me a few hours.

I'm using flat earth truth, because the earth is basically flat or shall I say the floor of the known universe.
It's full of lumps and bumps and dents and such but it's effectively an infinite floor.
It's like walking through a large building and seeing massive floor space then hitting a wall and finding the door through that wall and finding another large space and so on and so on until you simply get sick of opening the doors to the next huge space, which happens in any direction you go.

There's your earth. It's a big infinite office building floor space with closed doors all around, which only opening them can reveal what's on the other side...let's call these doors, "ice doors."

I certainly cannot blame you for thinking I'm talking fairy tales, because that's exactly what I believe round earth believers are actually doing.
What a person observes to happen is dependant on how conditioned that person is in whatever view is taken to be fair.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on May 30, 2013, 05:07:54 AM

I'm using flat earth truth, because the earth is basically flat or shall I say the floor of the known universe.
It's full of lumps and bumps and dents and such but it's effectively an infinite floor.
It's like walking through a large building and seeing massive floor space then hitting a wall and finding the door through that wall and finding another large space and so on and so on until you simply get sick of opening the doors to the next huge space, which happens in any direction you go.

There's your earth. It's a big infinite office building floor space with closed doors all around, which only opening them can reveal what's on the other side...let's call these doors, "ice doors."

All too often you stop a conversation dead in its tracks to give your little unrelated speech that no one asked for about what you believe the Earth is like.
Honestly, you must either be trolling or there might be something a little wrong with you.

You're quite entitled to think what you want, I'm easy with whatever you choose but I must warn you, it will do nothing to enhance your stance on what you are trying to achieve.
Maybe a psychology degree could be up your street. Have a think about it.

You've just made me think about another point where the sun we observe does not behave like an FE sun should: change of angular position during the day.

Okay, to keep it simple, we'll take a 12 hour day (an equinox) at the equator, where the sun does near enough to a 180° arc overhead. That's 15° per hour which, if you go out and observe the sun for one day, you can easily confirm. (This can easily be confirmed away from the equator too, just incline your angle measuring device to suit your latitude)

The problem with the FE sun model is that, if the sun moves the way they say it does, it would appear to move far more slowly in the morning and afternoon, and very quickly around midday. Similar to the effect you get when a plane flies overhead.