ISS is not in space

OH really? Then how come we can see the ISS in space with our own eyes and in detail using a telescope. You clearly are unable to grasp the entire picture of what we're saying. So typical...

I responded to that last page, you may have missed it.

I have never observed it, but I'm guessing it's just a point of light (or ISS-shaped light) in the sky that moves in an expected pattern given to you by a website. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that a technology exists that can simulate this. I don't know what it is or have an explanation for you.

I suppose I am supposed to believe the ISS is real, because of a light moving across the sky... right. What next, I live on a giant ball?

i suggest those who dont believe it to be in space to go view it yourselves with a telescope. it is a fairly simple experiment that people like septictank are not willing to do. why is that?

making comments that things are not real on a forum is very big of you all. how about you go outside and see for yourselves?

I'm just gonna ignore that...

Sceptimatic, have you ever photographed the night sky???

OH really? Then how come we can see the ISS in space with our own eyes and in detail using a telescope. You clearly are unable to grasp the entire picture of what we're saying. So typical...

I have never observed it, but I'm guessing it's just a point of light (or ISS-shaped light) in the sky that moves in an expected pattern given to you by a website. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that a technology exists that can simulate this. I don't know what it is or have an explanation for you.

You never observed it, so you shouldn't jump to conclusions. If you use a telescope you can see it is more than a light to you. If you do not want to take our word on it and you resist to observe it yourself, your words will have no value.

You are right that a technology exists that can create it...it is called the international space station, orbiting the earth.

 

You are right that a technology exists that can create it...it is called the international space station, orbiting the earth.

If I wanted to read bullshit, I would go to wikipedia. No need for you to bring it here.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 23, 2013, 08:24:17 PM

You are right that a technology exists that can create it...it is called the international space station, orbiting the earth.

If I wanted to read bullshit, I would go to wikipedia. No need for you to bring it here.

go see it for yourself then. please come back and explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere. we eagerly await your opinion AFTER you actually research.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 23, 2013, 08:24:17 PM

You are right that a technology exists that can create it...it is called the international space station, orbiting the earth.

If I wanted to read bullshit, I would go to wikipedia. No need for you to bring it here.

First investigate it, then come back to me and see if you would still call it bullshit.

go see it for yourself then. please come back and explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere. we eagerly await your opinion AFTER you actually research.

See the funny thing is, the iss supposedly IS in the atmosphere. It's in the ionosphere, which extends 50-370 miles up. ISS is around 250 miles remember. The funny thing is, according to wiki (which you guys must believe), the iss travels through the DENSEST layer of the ionosphere -

The F layer or region, also known as the Appleton layer extends from about 200 km (120 mi) to more than 500 km (310 mi) above the surface of Earth. It is the densest point of the ionosphere, which implies signals penetrating this layer will escape into space.

- at speeds of 17,000 miles per hour. So why don't YOU explain how something can travel through the atmosphere at 17,000 miles per hour without ever slowing down or needing energy to speed back up, for TWELVE YEARS?

Quote from: squevil on May 23, 2013, 08:58:57 PM

go see it for yourself then. please come back and explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere. we eagerly await your opinion AFTER you actually research.

See the funny thing is, the iss supposedly IS in the atmosphere. It's in the ionosphere, which extends 50-370 miles up. ISS is around 250 miles remember. The funny thing is, according to wiki (which you guys must believe), the iss travels through the DENSEST layer of the ionosphere -

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The F layer or region, also known as the Appleton layer extends from about 200 km (120 mi) to more than 500 km (310 mi) above the surface of Earth. It is the densest point of the ionosphere, which implies signals penetrating this layer will escape into space.

- at speeds of 17,000 miles per hour. So why don't YOU explain how something can travel through the atmosphere at 17,000 miles per hour without ever slowing down or needing energy to speed back up, for TWELVE YEARS?

ISS does speed up  regularly to maintain altitude. FIrst thing I will do tomorrow is give you all the links to that. I am currently on my tablet, but if anyone else feels like sharing the following for me...feel free.

Go to YT search for ISS three laws of newton. I should give you the video of three astronauts flying to the backo f the station. He explains they are doing a reboost. Any others links are welcome as well...but if you want to wait for me, wait for about 4-6 hours...

Edit...it is also in the video I posted here earlier. The 55 minute long video of the ISS tour. He mentioned it as he goes towards the russian section. Not sure at what time that is...again you would have to wait if you want a better reference, from my memory it should be about half way into the video..

ISS does speed up  regularly to maintain altitude. FIrst thing I will do tomorrow is give you all the links to that. I am currently on my tablet, but if anyone else feels like sharing the following for me...feel free.

Go to YT search for ISS three laws of newton. I should give you the video of three astronauts flying to the backo f the station. He explains they are doing a reboost. Any others links are welcome as well...but if you want to wait for me, wait for about 4-6 hours...

Such a quick response, I'd almost think you had an ulterior motive.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 23, 2013, 09:13:03 PM

ISS does speed up  regularly to maintain altitude. FIrst thing I will do tomorrow is give you all the links to that. I am currently on my tablet, but if anyone else feels like sharing the following for me...feel free.

Go to YT search for ISS three laws of newton. I should give you the video of three astronauts flying to the backo f the station. He explains they are doing a reboost. Any others links are welcome as well...but if you want to wait for me, wait for about 4-6 hours...

Such a quick response, I'd almost think you had an ulterior motive.

Sorry I can't help your over-active imagination. But again, you dont care what I say... no response to that. Let me know when you observed the ISS...

Nice link. Literally every picture taken in 'space' looks completely artificial, I have yet to see a pic that can't be made by an amateur in photoshop.

The only crazy ones are the ones who have looked at all the pictures, and still believe they are real.

Well I am an expert in photoshop and I would not be able to create anything like those images in Photoshop. So you are talking rubbish.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 23, 2013, 11:54:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2013, 11:51:08 AM

No thanks. I stopped believing in fairies and stuff like that when I was a small child. Santa still had me for a few years after that but that's about it.
I've still got all my teeth thank god.
Can you imagine if I still believed in the tooth fairy, it would be like believing man made objects are in space, plus I'd have no teeth left and a bloody under pillow. 

Everything is a fairy tale to you. Perhaps you are also part of a fairy tale, but you just don't know about yet.

We are all part of the fair tale. We have to live it as we have no other option but to live it, unless we expire.

But who is telling the tale??

- at speeds of 17,000 miles per hour. So why don't YOU explain how something can travel through the atmosphere at 17,000 miles per hour without ever slowing down or needing energy to speed back up, for TWELVE YEARS?

   I thought that it was common knowledge that the ISS does slow down because of atmospheric drag.  It requires periodic boosts to get back into its intended orbit.
http://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx

This plot shows the orbital height of the ISS over the last year. Clearly visible are the re-boosts which suddenly increase the height, and the gradual decay in between. The height is averaged over one orbit, and the gradual decrease is caused by atmospheric drag. As can be seen from the plot, the rate of descent is not constant and this variation is caused by changes in the density of the tenuous outer atmosphere due mainly to solar activity.

The original point was

explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere.

and look, here comes the Ball-Brigade now claiming that it's common knowledge that objects can travel that fast in the atmosphere. I'm blown away...

The original point was

Quote from: squevil on May 23, 2013, 08:58:57 PM

explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere.

and look, here comes the Ball-Brigade now claiming that it's common knowledge that objects can travel that fast in the atmosphere. I'm blown away...

The atmosphere is incredibly rarified at that height which makes that level of travel possible.   Remember that Felix broke the sound barrier from a very small fraction of the height with no propulsion.

The original point was

Quote from: squevil on May 23, 2013, 08:58:57 PM

explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere.

and look, here comes the Ball-Brigade now claiming that it's common knowledge that objects can travel that fast in the atmosphere. I'm blown away...

Where you draw the atmosphere/space line is completely arbitrary. There will always be some matter, even in interstellar space, and it will slow you down somewhat. The point was, an object the shape of the ISS couldn't possibly be travelling at a lower altitude, in a denser layer of the atmosphere.

Further, the point is, the ISS is at a height you consider "impossible", and it's really there, you can see it yourself, anytime.

The original point was

Quote from: squevil on May 23, 2013, 08:58:57 PM

explain how an object of that shape can travel so fast in the atmosphere.

and look, here comes the Ball-Brigade now claiming that it's common knowledge that objects can travel that fast in the atmosphere. I'm blown away...

How dense do you think the ionosphere is? 

markjo why bother, this is basic th*rk tactics. he obviously understands what is happening otherwise they wouldnt mention that its in the densest part. however its nothing like the atmosphere aircraft travel through and that height is considered to be space.

Quote from: Rip Riley on May 23, 2013, 10:14:35 AM

Nice link. Literally every picture taken in 'space' looks completely artificial, I have yet to see a pic that can't be made by an amateur in photoshop.

The only crazy ones are the ones who have looked at all the pictures, and still believe they are real.

Well I am an expert in photoshop and I would not be able to create anything like those images in Photoshop. So you are talking rubbish.

Do you really think the big, powerful government with billions if not trillions of dollars uses Photoshop?

Do you really think the big, powerful government with billions if not trillions of dollars uses Photoshop?

Do you really think an organization like NASA is lying about something as simple as the shape's earth?

Do you really think an organization like NASA is lying about something as simple as the shape's earth?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 06:04:14 PM

Do you really think an organization like NASA is lying about something as simple as the shape's earth?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Yes. There is no reason and I mean a grounded reason to believe that NASA is lying about the shape of the earth. There is no specific benefit as why they would propagate a round earth, if the earth was in fact a flat one.

Quote from: Junker on May 24, 2013, 06:08:40 PM

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 06:04:14 PM

Do you really think an organization like NASA is lying about something as simple as the shape's earth?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Yes. There is no reason and I mean a grounded reason to believe that NASA is lying about the shape of the earth. There is no specific benefit as why they would propagate a round earth, if the earth was in fact a flat one.

If the earth is flat, they must be either lying or ignorant.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 06:33:09 PM

Quote from: Junker on May 24, 2013, 06:08:40 PM

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 06:04:14 PM

Do you really think an organization like NASA is lying about something as simple as the shape's earth?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Yes. There is no reason and I mean a grounded reason to believe that NASA is lying about the shape of the earth. There is no specific benefit as why they would propagate a round earth, if the earth was in fact a flat one.

If the earth is flat, they must be either lying or ignorant.

Would you provide a grounded reason why they would be lying? Not just your assumption..any grounded reason to believe they are lying?

Would you provide a grounded reason why they would be lying? Not just your assumption..any grounded reason to believe they are lying?

To hide the true shape of the Earth? 

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 06:50:48 PM

Would you provide a grounded reason why they would be lying? Not just your assumption..any grounded reason to believe they are lying?

To hide the true shape of the Earth? 

That is no grounded reason, the grounded reason is the answer to the question why. Care to think for yourself?

Why would they hide the true shape of the earth?

That is no grounded reason, the grounded reason is the answer to the question why. Care to think for yourself?

Why would they hide the true shape of the earth?

To maintain the conspiracy?  I am starting to think you are asking questions you already know the answer to.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 07:01:45 PM

That is no grounded reason, the grounded reason is the answer to the question why. Care to think for yourself?

Why would they hide the true shape of the earth?

To maintain the conspiracy?  I am starting to think you are asking questions you already know the answer to.

I don't.

They lie about the shape of the earth to maintain the conspiracy.

Why would they conspire about the earth's shape in the first place? Is there a benefit to go with a spherical earth over a flat earth?

Why would they conspire about the earth's shape in the first place? Is there a benefit to go with a spherical earth over a flat earth?

To reap the substantial profit to be had by maintaining said conspiracy.  I suggest you review the FAQ, Wiki, and do some searching.