Are there any pictures depicting a flat earth?

Quote from: Ryan on February 12, 2014, 10:10:21 PM

I think it's amusing that the same people that claim any photographic or video evidence of a round earth must be doctored, with even the F.A.Q. of this site claiming that such evidence is untrustworthy, seem so impressed by a picture that can be summed up as 'eh, looks pretty flat to me'. Though Sculelos seems to disagree.

If you went to space and took pictures yourself, I would be more inclined to believe that the pictures are true.  However, if you just show me a bunch of NASA pictures and expect for me to be impressed, you will be disappointed.

Kind of funny how I can not find any examples of people claiming to see a curved horizon on the internet unless they were above 60,000 feet, yet, you people can see it at sea level.  That would lead me to believe that either you are mistaken, or, god forbid, you are not telling the truth.

I live around an hour drive from the Atlantic.  I will plan a trip ASAP to find out the truth.

Quote from: jroa on February 12, 2014, 08:45:07 AM

Kind of funny how I can not find any examples of people claiming to see a curved horizon on the internet unless they were above 60,000 feet, yet, you people can see it at sea level.  That would lead me to believe that either you are mistaken, or, god forbid, you are not telling the truth.

I live around an hour drive from the Atlantic.  I will plan a trip ASAP to find out the truth.

That's simply because your elevation has nothing at all to do with your perception of the curved horizon.  On the Ninety-Mile beach, at a couple of metres above sea level, I can physically see a full 180º view of the horizon.  And it's definitely curved downwards at each "end".

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3856/u5wi.jpg
Went down to the beach to check out this curvature against a straight edge. Horizon was dead straight. As far as I am concerned standing on a beach and seeing curvature is just bullshit again.

I think it's amusing that the same people that claim any photographic or video evidence of a round earth must be doctored...

Quote from: Ryan on February 12, 2014, 10:10:21 PM

I think it's amusing that the same people that claim any photographic or video evidence of a round earth must be doctored...

I know LOL.  It's more than ironic that FEs inevitably dismiss all RE's photographic images as bogus, but then expect us to accept one of theirs as 100% genuine.

I don't dismiss them as bogus and actually like seeing them. However my interpretation of the photograph might be different then your interpretation.

Quote from: Sculelos on February 13, 2014, 11:49:29 AM

I don't dismiss them as bogus and actually like seeing them. However my interpretation of the photograph might be different then your interpretation.

I guess this is the type of image we're talking about.  This is a NASA image of thunderstorms over Brazil.  The river from which you can see reflected sunlight is the Rio Madeira.  North is roughly in the top right-hand corner, south bottom left.

I interpret it as showing a curved horizon which proves to me the earth is spherical.  You may see it as a distortion of a straight horizon cause by a wide-angle lens, but also proving the earth is flat.  I accept that NASA is being honest here, whilst you may think they're deliberately misrepresenting the facts.

So... how does one make an accurate assessment?

If you want to look at something really interesting look at the Apollo 18-20 missions that were said to be cancelled but in reality never were. Weird stuff. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36.htm

Quote from: Sculelos on February 13, 2014, 12:58:43 PM

If you want to look at something really interesting look at the Apollo 18-20 missions that were said to be cancelled but in reality never were. Weird stuff. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36.htm

Thanks for the link, but I just couldn't take that site seriously.  Mind readers?  UFO chasers?  Crashed alien spacecraft on the moon?

Incidentally, they repeatedly refer to the "dark side" of the moon.  There is no such thing (well. apart from the Pink Floyd version LOL).

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/549/0k0z.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7088/zeo0.jpg
Photo's taken at over 100ft still no curvature. You can use any length straight edge and you will see no curvature. I plan on taking many more photo's with a straight edge. If you say its curved I will say you are full of it unless you provide your curved photo's.
If you notice in the first picture two small lumps to the left on the horizon these are islands, I included them to allow you to get an idea of the area we are covering here.
And these are those islands-
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4886/2puc.jpg

Quote from: tappet on February 13, 2014, 09:57:25 PM

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/549/0k0z.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7088/zeo0.jpg
Photo's taken at over 100ft still no curvature. You can use any length straight edge and you will see no curvature. I plan on taking many more photo's with a straight edge. If you say its curved I will say you are full of it unless you provide your curved photo's.
If you notice in the first picture two small lumps to the left on the horizon these are islands, I included them to allow you to get an idea of the area we are covering here.
And these are those islands-
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4886/2puc.jpg

Here's your second image with a straight line joining the left and right extremities of the horizon:

Note the bulge in the middle.

Again, thank you for actually putting in an effort, it's much more than can be said for most of the non-round crowd on here.

Standing on a beach and seeing curvature , I call BUSTED .

Tappett, just go in a highrise hotel or condo at the beach. Go up 10 or 20 floors, you cannot miss the curve to the left and right. I am a flatearther, but the curve is unmistakable.

Tappett, just go in a highrise hotel or condo at the beach. Go up 10 or 20 floors, you cannot miss the curve to the left and right. I am a flatearther, but the curve is unmistakable.

Quote from: jroa on February 12, 2014, 02:33:29 AM

Since when can people see the curvature of the Earth at sea level?  This is news to me.

Are you able to get to a beach? If you can, take a long straight edge with you, set it up across a couple of saw horses, then squat down so that you can just see the horizon under it. If you can't see curvature by doing this, then you might need your eyesight checked...

Quote from: hoppy on February 14, 2014, 01:59:12 PM

Tappett, just go in a highrise hotel or condo at the beach. Go up 10 or 20 floors, you cannot miss the curve to the left and right. I am a flatearther, but the curve is unmistakable.

Hoppy,
Just as sculelos say's the horizon is an illusion. I checked the horizon from a rocky outcrop today with over 180 degree view of the horizon. Yes it looked as though it curves left to right no mistake there. But when you lift a straight edge up it flattens out the curve is an illusion.
It was at this point I realised if I was out on a pinnacle in the middle of the ocean at height and no land was visible, and I turned 360 degrees how could there possibly be any curve from left to right it would have to be straight whether it was round or flat earth.. If  I looked at the horizon and it really was curved  every time you turned slightly there would be a hump in the horizon so to see 360 degrees you would need a series of arcs joined together.

Quote from: tappet on February 14, 2014, 10:03:56 PM

Quote from: hoppy on February 14, 2014, 01:59:12 PM

Tappett, just go in a highrise hotel or condo at the beach. Go up 10 or 20 floors, you cannot miss the curve to the left and right. I am a flatearther, but the curve is unmistakable.

however light moves in small circular pattern and then bends back into itself

 

...I realised if I was out on a pinnacle in the middle of the ocean at height and no land was visible, and I turned 360 degrees how could there possibly be any curve from left to right it would have to be straight whether it was round or flat earth. If  I looked at the horizon and it really was curved  every time you turned slightly there would be a hump in the horizon so to see 360 degrees you would need a series of arcs joined together.

Quote from: tappet on February 14, 2014, 10:03:56 PM

...I realised if I was out on a pinnacle in the middle of the ocean at height and no land was visible, and I turned 360 degrees how could there possibly be any curve from left to right it would have to be straight whether it was round or flat earth. If  I looked at the horizon and it really was curved  every time you turned slightly there would be a hump in the horizon so to see 360 degrees you would need a series of arcs joined together.

I see my point has been missed, perhaps I didn't make it clearly enough...

In your above scenario, how far could you see in any given direction? Is it a pretty much constant distance; ie, you're in the middle of a circle of visible area basically? Assuming that's the case, picture this (thought experiment): imagine you are shrunk down to 1mm tall, and stood on top of a very large beach ball. Turn 360° and the 'horizon' is going to be the same height wherever you look (and the same distance away), just like on earth (the same could be achieved by standing on a record, but I'm a roundy, so beach ball it is ). Now get a normal sized person to place a long straight edge against the ball so that it touches somewhere along your horizon. What would that look like from your 1mm tall perspective? There'd be gaps under the left and right ends of the straight edge, wouldn't there? Have I made my point now?

Quote from: tappet on February 14, 2014, 10:03:56 PM

...I realised if I was out on a pinnacle in the middle of the ocean at height and no land was visible, and I turned 360 degrees how could there possibly be any curve from left to right it would have to be straight whether it was round or flat earth. If  I looked at the horizon and it really was curved  every time you turned slightly there would be a hump in the horizon so to see 360 degrees you would need a series of arcs joined together.

I see my point has been missed, perhaps I didn't make it clearly enough...

In your above scenario, how far could you see in any given direction? Is it a pretty much constant distance; ie, you're in the middle of a circle of visible area basically? Assuming that's the case, picture this (thought experiment): imagine you are shrunk down to 1mm tall, and stood on top of a very large beach ball. Turn 360° and the 'horizon' is going to be the same height wherever you look (and the same distance away), just like on earth (the same could be achieved by standing on a record, but I'm a roundy, so beach ball it is ). Now get a normal sized person to place a long straight edge against the ball so that it touches somewhere along your horizon. What would that look like from your 1mm tall perspective? There'd be gaps under the left and right ends of the straight edge, wouldn't there? Have I made my point now?

Photo's taken at over 100ft still no curvature. You can use any length straight edge and you will see no curvature. I plan on taking many more photo's with a straight edge. If you say its curved I will say you are full of it unless you provide your curved photo's.

Quote from: tappet on February 13, 2014, 09:57:25 PM

Photo's taken at over 100ft still no curvature. You can use any length straight edge and you will see no curvature. I plan on taking many more photo's with a straight edge. If you say its curved I will say you are full of it unless you provide your curved photo's.

Thanks again for taking the time to get more pics.

I'd still say that your field of view is far too narrow to show the curvature of the horizon in sufficient detail, particularly with a 1280pix wide image from the tiny sensor in the Panasonic HC-V10. 

As far as any actual deviation from the "true" horizontal/straight goes, we really need to be talking about a couple of pixels resolution on the screen.  Your image is far too soft to measure to that sort of degree.
 

Do you think you could show us a couple of these fishing photo's you have showing the curvature you can see at the beach you were telling us about earlier.
I would be really keen to see some photo's of curvature against a straight edge as I cannot get this to happen no matter what I do.